VT Manual Switches & Deep Cycling Question

[katz-in-boots]

Since my conversion to tanks, I've had to switch to manual batteries instead of autos. I find I am constantly deep-cycling my manual batteries, and this is why:

I am a chain vaper. After vaping for a few minutes, my batteries stop responding. I think maybe the battery is running low but as I haven't been using it that long, I try it again and it fires. Sometimes it doesn't fire twice, then works fine again for a whille. Is this a normal thing for manual batteries? (My autos do the same thing, every few puffs nothing happens, but I can tell when they are running low) Am I upsetting the batteries by puffing too frequently? Do either manual or auto batteries have some kind of limit for activating - am I tripping the cut-off?

I also find that using the tanks, the battery performance seems to have a shorter tail-off in performance than when using cartos on autos (is this my imagination?) so I haven't learned when they are running low.

I know deep-cycling batteries shortens their lives, so I'm hoping for hints/tips on how to know when they're running low.

 

[Tennovan]

I'm not sure how the cut-off is activated, but it almost sounds like you're tripping some sort of protection circuitry... probably due to the heat. I have no idea if the VT's have that kind of circuitry in them but it wouldn't surprise me. As far as the shorter tail-off, maybe its the lower resistance tank carto tricking you? Vapor drop-off with a standard or high resistance carto will be more noticeable since their performance is lower than a LR carto to begin with... I think.

I'm sure someone more knowledgeable on the subject will pop in to correct me soon. As far as deep-cycling, I just switch to a new battery when I think the one I'm using MIGHT be running low. Its a guessing game but at least I don't have to keep measuring with a multimeter just to see where its at.

What V4L should do is add some logic into the circuitry that flashes the LED when you drop below a certain threshold... to serve as a warning. If the battery shuts down at 3.7, the warning flashes would start at 3.8. You guys can thank me later.

 

[EleanorR]

What V4L should do is add some logic into the circuitry that flashes the LED when you drop below a certain threshold... to serve as a warning. If the battery shuts down at 3.7, the warning flashes would start at 3.8. You guys can thank me later.

I LOVE this idea!!

 

[katz-in-boots]

I LOVE this idea!!

Me too Eleanor! Tennovan, that is brilliant! It's like my car petrol gauge warning light comes on when I get to less than a 1/4 tank, but starts to flash when it's less than 1/8th of a tank.
And yes, protection caused by over-heating would be a logical cause - if these batteries have it.

 

[TheBlueAdept]

I agree that my senses are not yet honed enough to tell the 'flavor dropoff' that signals the roughly halfway point where you should swap batteries... All I could do was go by how long it takes to fully drain to the flashing state, divide that by half, and force myself to pay attention to time a little more closely...

 

[plarkinjr]

Great idea Tennovan!
Seems like there's got to be a way to cram a tiny bit of code in for that, as well as perhaps to give a flash pattern after a batt is approaching being "overcharged"

 

[Morandir835]

Ms. Katz it's a lot harder to tell with dual coils because of the voltage range on the king diamonds. Try to keep track of how long you're using them per charge, and stop 10 minutes before hand.

Nice idea Tennovan sir, except there are some who will complain at the shortened life from it. Using wow and cool carts that drop off after 3.85v is the best indicator, the dual coils is the issue.

 

[EleanorR]

Ms. Katz it's a lot harder to tell with dual coils because of the voltage range on the king diamonds. Try to keep track of how long you're using them per charge, and stop 10 minutes before hand.

Nice idea Tennovan sir, except there are some who will complain at the shortened life from it. Using wow and cool carts that drop off after 3.85v is the best indicator, the dual coils is the issue.

Yeah. That's why I jumped on that half-price single EGO-808 kit at V4L this week like a cat with a firecracker on its tail . . . So I can use at least one tank without killing the longevity of my beloved Daimond and Titan manuals!

 

[katz-in-boots]

Ms. Katz it's a lot harder to tell with dual coils because of the voltage range on the king diamonds. Try to keep track of how long you're using them per charge, and stop 10 minutes before hand.

You mean ... for once it isn't my imagination? Oh yay, happy dance!
It's harder to keep track when you chain vape for a while then not touch it again for an hour or more, and I switch to auto batt & carto when I go out, so it's really hard to keep track.

Any other suggestions on the switch not firing? I noticed today it happened well before the battery could get hot.

 

[Morandir835]

Is it doing it with cartos as well Ms. Katz or just the tanks?

 

[SnowDragon]

+1 Morandir on the timing thing.....after awhile it starts to become second nature. I think is also a direct reflection of your latest test showing the newer Diamond Series batteries staying in the sweet spot longer with a quicker drop off which we applaud. This is only magnified when in use with a tank system utilizing a low ohm atomizer.

As well, when you vape strong flavors like menthols everything is a bit more challenging to detect like battery fade or even burning cartos.

 

[katz-in-boots]

Is it doing it with cartos as well Ms. Katz or just the tanks?

I only use cartos on my auto batteries, and yes, it happens with those too. I figured that's because I sometimes don't draw hard enough though. I notice it a lot with manuals+tanks because the 1.5ohm cartos really sizzle when the battery fires properly. One thing I need to double check on & will let you know, is whether the LED comes on when there is no battery firing.

+1 Morandir on the timing thing.....after awhile it starts to become second nature. I think is also a direct reflection of your latest test showing the newer Diamond Series batteries staying in the sweet spot longer with a quicker drop off which we applaud. This is only magnified when in use with a tank system utilizing a low ohm atomizer.

Thanks Snow. I am seriously chuffed that I have not imagined the behaviour of the new Diamonds with tanks.

As well, when you vape strong flavors like menthols everything is a bit more challenging to detect like battery fade or even burning cartos.

Yep, that's me of course, Nuport & Wowboy Peppermint

 

[Morandir835]

With the manuals it's one of 2 things really-

1. Button issue
2- Too much amperage being drawn (as stated many times before dual coils can pull more amps than their ohms state they should).

The only other possiblity is you're not even pressing the button because you're used to autos, but that has nothing to do with the batt... Guilty of doing that at least twice a day....

 

[katz-in-boots]

The only other possiblity is you're not even pressing the button because you're used to autos, but that has nothing to do with the batt... Guilty of doing that at least twice a day....

You know, I'm starting to wonder if that is the case Since posting about whether the LED comes on, I've been more conscious waiting for misfires, and I have not had a single one This is with at least 4 manual batteries, so I think the problem is user error. Which makes me think that my problems with autos might be me just not sucking hard enough sometimes to activate the switch - just cos my mind is elsewhere. How embarrassing!

Okay folks, move along, nothing to see here....

 

[Morandir835]

LOL Ms. Katz

You're in good company, did that three times today at work....

 

[katz-in-boots]

Well guess what, it's happening again today. 2 different batteries - both soft touch titans btw. And it happens when I chain-vape and am taking puffs after the other; exhale, inhale. It isn't my imagination and it isn't my button technique.

 

[Morandir835]

Guessing the ic on the battery is cutting it off Ms. Katz, will try to replicate it tomorrow and let you know.

 

[katz-in-boots]

Cool, thanks M'Dir. So far 3 out of 5 batts are doing it, 2 of those are soft touch Titans.