Wraith, thank you. This happened before I started buying from Illumn. They sound like a top notch dealer, and handled the matter the way a reputable dealer should. I wish they would sell the AW 18650 as well. I have had a very good experience with Illumn so far. I appreciate those links. I knew there were plenty of counterfeiters on the Sony VTC5. I wonder why Sony quit making them. They are obviously in high demand. I don't sub ohm, at least not at this point. I tried it once but didn't care for it. I like the Sony VTC4 for my mech mods, the Samsung 25R for most things, and the AW 18650 for the Reo/Woodvil. I don't have an interest in any other kind of battery besides those, at this point.