VTR and Provari pros and cons

[Completely Average]

Personally, I find that variable wattage is useless. All my toppers are purchased in the same resistance range. Even so, I change flavors 3 - 4 times a day and change my voltage to each flavor's sweet spot. Therefore, even with variable wattage I'd still be making adjustments to fine tune the power output to the juice.

I can buy or build my own coils. By building them I can change flavor and vapor production without having to change voltage or wattage. I only use the Kick2 to regulate the wattage so the power doesn't drop off over time, or to set a specific wattage for a premade coil in a retail topper.

I guarantee you a custom made coil makes FAR more difference in taste than adjusting the voltage by .1 or .2 volts.

(BTW, .1v = roughly .25W in most cases. If you can adjust wattage by .1 then you can get a more precise voltage change than changing the voltage directly. Just an FYI you might like to know since you enjoy tweaking voltage to suit your flavors.)

 

[jwoode]

I don't have a Provari.. but I'll bet I could beat it flat with my VTR..

so there

 

[TechX]

Ok I didn't know this was going to be a debate about Ohm's Law. Rather than having a pointless back and forth exchange over the merits of what instrument measures what and which one is "Better" or which one is "Useless" maybe we just agree that Ohms Law has been proven to be accurate and is the basis for ALL electrical engineering. Voltage and Amperage and Ohms are relative to one another to calculate watts. If you change voltage, amperage, or resistance, it will change watts. This is proven physics. As this relates to vaping devices, If you want to change watts, and since amperage is constant by your power source (battery), and the resistor is fixed (your coil as built) changing voltage changes your watts. However you choose to reach the same conclusion of this absolution is irrelevant as each variation changes the other. It is 2 sides of the same coin. Whether you measure the calculation of the variation in volts, or watts, is personal preference of reading the same formula. Adjusting wattage will adjust voltage. Adjusting voltage will change wattage. It is not my intent to insult anyone's intelligence. What I'm saying is one cannot change one without changing the other within a constant amperage. It comes down to which side of the equation you choose as your unit of measure. If you disagree with what I have written, please refer to any trusted reading source of Ohm's Law.

 

[Completely Average]

Yeah yeah yeah.


Doesn't change the fact that adjusting wattage by .1w is more precise than changing voltage by .1v. Heck, changing wattage by .25w is more precise than changing voltage by .1v.


3.7v * 3.7v / 1.5ohm = 9.1 watts
3.8v * 3.8v / 1.5ohm = 9.6 watts


You are correct in saying they are all interconnected, but little changes in voltage makes BIG changes wattage. Little changes in wattage make tiny changes in voltage. If you're wanting to dial something in as precisely as possible you'll change wattage, not voltage. Changing voltage is clumsy and inaccurate.

 

[zanedog]

I don't have a Provari.. but I'll bet I could beat it flat with my VTR..

so there

LOL, Mod fights!
I dunno, the Stainless Steel the Provari is built from is quite thick, I say the VTR come out broken and the ProVari still fires rightup! No fair if you concentrate the pounding on the 510 connection!

There's this guy on youtube that does high end knife reviews, He'll get a 200 dollar knife in and literally destroy it by whatever means necessary!

Someone send this man some mods!



Thats not the guy I was thinking of, but to give you an idea of how people in the knife community test their products!

 

[BigOrmc]

Got my VTR today and love it. Put my Protank 3 with adjustable air valve and wholly crap this set up is amazing.


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[TechX]

Fair enough. I guess adjustment scale is like comparing kilometers and miles. I cannot really tell noticeable difference in half a watt as much as how hard or easy as I hit my vaporizer. Maybe my tastes arent as sensitive. But it is all personal choices. And that's a great thing to have, just as choice to vape over smoking and choices of thousands of flavors. I think we both enjoy having the choices

 

[PLANofMAN]

I don't have a Provari.. but I'll bet I could beat it flat with my VTR..

so there

I hope you've got a lot of time of your hands...

 

[serenity21899]

I have 3 ProVaris that I love, for all of the reasons listed above. They just work well and are virtually indestuctable. And they can be serviced, if needed. I mostly use carto tanks on them with a Sophia, which is best described as a rebuildable carto.

I also have 2 VTRs. I love the box mod form factor. I already had the carto tanks I needed for this. It is heave, but I like that in a mod. I have dropped one on concrete, and only suffered a small nick on one of the corners. In comparison, the chipset is lacking compared to the ProVari, but for me, it is not that much of an issue as I do not vape at high wattage anyways. The rattlesnake sound tends to drive me crazy, however.

I have a couple of MVPs, as well. I am not a fan, mostly because the batteries are not replaceable, and the tank section is not recessed.

Really, any of the 3 is a good choice IMO.

 

[KjAthena]

I LOVED my VTR...the form and the function for the entire 14 weeks and 3 days it worked....when it died from a known issue there was no way to have it repaired or even get parts. Then I bought my first "gently used" Provari mini in the classifieds...within 2 weeks I bought my second "gently used" Provari mini. I like knowing that if anything ever goes wrong with either of my "twins" I can have them repaired reasonably. Yes each of the twins cost me about 1 and 1/2 times what my VTR cost but they came with extras such as batteries, extensions, chargers and one even came with a z-atty pro...so it almost evened out. Also Provari's hold value...if I ever decide to quit vapeing I know I can recoup 90% of what I paid.

 

[Baditude]

I LOVED my VTR...the form and the function for the entire 14 weeks and 3 days it worked....when it died from a known issue there was no way to have it repaired or even get parts...Also Provari's hold value...if I ever decide to quit vapeing I know I can recoup 90% of what I paid.

Good points made that many potential buyers never consider. With the VTR and MVP (and any other Chinese-made mod) there will be no way to repair your mod should it need it. China manufacturers do not offer parts or repair service. They expect you to buy another cheap mod.

A Provari comes with a 1 year warranty, option to purchase a second year at time of purchase. After the warranty is finished, you can still get the Provari repaired at minimal/reasonable costs for as long as you own it by Provape.

And Provari's do hold their value when sold used.

It boils down to how you want to spend your money and what you consider "value", and how much you want to spend on that value.

 

[zanedog]

The cheap things prove to be expensive at the end.

 

[TechX]

I was quoting some equipment to a customer, and I made a huge mistake. When I looked at him, I made a judgement in what he could afford. I ran a credit app and while he did have good credit his income was low. I was shocked when he still decided to go with the highest end equipment. He said to me some words that will never forget. He simply said "I am too poor to buy low quality". He knew the value of the higher end equipment and he made a choice to get the more reliable, better engineered, and better quality system. He had the wisdom to know that the cheaper equipment would cost him more in the long run. That was nearly 10 years ago. I see him regularly and he does not regret his decision. And I respect him for what he taught me.

 

[zanedog]

I was quoting some equipment to a customer, and I made a huge mistake. When I looked at him, I made a judgement in what he could afford. I ran a credit app and while he did have good credit his income was low. I was shocked when he still decided to go with the highest end equipment. He said to me some words that will never forget. He simply said "I am too poor to buy low quality". He knew the value of the higher end equipment and he made a choice to get the more reliable, better engineered, and better quality system. He had the wisdom to know that the cheaper equipment would cost him more in the long run. That was nearly 10 years ago. I see him regularly and he does not regret his decision. And I respect him for what he taught me.

Hey, some people still buy Fords even though everyone knows Chevy is better!