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I'm a huge fan of Reos. My Grand is my go-to device. I have a SSGGTS with UFS and a Precise 18650 with a stainless carto tank, and they get used every now and then (mostly at home), but I always go back to the Grand.
Since tone is hard to convey online, I just wanted to make that known. That said, I'm not clear what the advantage of a VV Reo would be, as opposed to a regular Reo with the Kick. It's an honest question, not an attempt to bash a supplier who I feel makes great products. Would the VV Reo be more economical? Smaller? What's the selling point to go with the VV over just dropping a Kick into a Grand?
Since tone is hard to convey online, I just wanted to make that known. That said, I'm not clear what the advantage of a VV Reo would be, as opposed to a regular Reo with the Kick. It's an honest question, not an attempt to bash a supplier who I feel makes great products. Would the VV Reo be more economical? Smaller? What's the selling point to go with the VV over just dropping a Kick into a Grand?
For me the kick is still not out or tried and tested over time.
I have a Darwin and can say that there two different experiences in vaping and both have advantages and disadvantages for me. Both react different.
The VV REO will be using the Notcig's VV chip that is in the Buzz Pro. This chip has been tested over time. with many safety features built in to the chip.
I guess it will all come down to personal preference.
I love my REO's and have every model and a few prototypes.
Just my take on it
Good question. I think the VV Reo would be larger as it needs room for the electronic componets and the two batteries. I don't think it would be much taller but I think it will be taller nevertheless. The VV reo would be easier to adjust the voltage as it will have a wheel to dial in the voltage. To dial in the wattage on the Kick you will have to take the Kick out of the Grand and turn the screw and you probably have to do that with a screw driver.
As for price those with a Grand wil have to shell out about $45 for the Kick and buy some 18490 batterys if they don't have any. The VV Reo price has not been determined.
With a Kick, if your electronics die you can run the Grand like a good ole Grand always ran with your 18650 batterys. You can also pop the Kick out and run the Grand under water to clean it out. I doubt that will be possilble with the VV Reo.
I think the big question though is which will give the longer battery life at equivalent watts. Thats something that remains to be seen and if someone has some info on that I would be very interested in hearing about that.
The Kick will top out about 10 watts and the specs on Buzz Pro electronics say 15 watts.
As for price those with a Grand wil have to shell out about $45 for the Kick and buy some 18490 batterys if they don't have any. The VV Reo price has not been determined.
With a Kick, if your electronics die you can run the Grand like a good ole Grand always ran with your 18650 batterys. You can also pop the Kick out and run the Grand under water to clean it out. I doubt that will be possilble with the VV Reo.
I think the big question though is which will give the longer battery life at equivalent watts. Thats something that remains to be seen and if someone has some info on that I would be very interested in hearing about that.
The Kick will top out about 10 watts and the specs on Buzz Pro electronics say 15 watts.
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Last I talked to Rob he was sure he could make the VV Woodvil as small as the 3.7 Woodvil. But time will tell it may grow a little but he said not much. Less then 1/4. The grand should only be about 1/4 taller as well but like I said this will all come to light when Rob dose the final lay out of the VV REO's
The Kick or any single boosted battery will never be able to match a 2 battery setup with a switching regulator. I get 12-13 hours of constant use out of a BP, with a boosted 18500 battery I would think you would be lucky with 6-7 hours. I have heard multiple Provari owners saying they get about 5 with a 18500 battery.
You also brought up another good point about how many watts each will be able to produce, I myself am a fan of dual coil cartos and attys which are pretty much useless if you use them with a limit of 10 watts.
For me personally there will be no comparison and I will happily and a little impatiently wait to get my hands on a purpose built VV Reo (hopefully a Grand and a Woodville
). This post is not intended to take anything away from the Kick or Evolv I think they are making really incredible strides in the pv market, but as it sits for me the Kick could not compare to a true 2 battery VV Reo.
Excellent post! Puts the comparison of options as we know them today in an easy to understand format.
I had never tried HV vaping before and know I could have bought different batteries to experience it but never really cared to since 3.7 with a Woodvile was always perfect for me. Then when word Rob was coming out with a VV woodvile the game changed so I thought I better give HV a go. Talking to Lenny he offered me use of his homemade VV WC with batts and attys included seen here (Len's a sweetheart) 
. I since decide I want a VV of my own and if I did it'd have to be a Woodvile. The Kick sounds interesting, easy and affordable and something I would have gotten if not for Rob coming out with his VV. I know many REO fans have other mods and thats totally cool but for me I have a limit on what I can spend and what I need/use and it will always be a REO Woodvile (tho anything given as a gift is always excepted and appreciated) 
. I since decide I want a VV of my own and if I did it'd have to be a Woodvile. The Kick sounds interesting, easy and affordable and something I would have gotten if not for Rob coming out with his VV. I know many REO fans have other mods and thats totally cool but for me I have a limit on what I can spend and what I need/use and it will always be a REO Woodvile (tho anything given as a gift is always excepted and appreciated)
I found this about the Buzz Pro electronics. THis was posted by Buzzkill in response to several questions about the Buzz Pro.
Ok to set the record straight voltage regulators control or keep the voltage as constant as possible , so a mod that uses a VR will be more consistent ( some are better than others ) .
the OB ( original Buzz ) used a Linear regulator that produced heat as a by product in the control circuit.
The BP ( Buzz Pro ) uses a switching regulator , it is a BUCK type regulator , we chose this type for several reasons I will explain them here.
1. A Buck regulator uses voltage to produce current ( draws less amps/current from the battery )
2. A battery is a CURRENT storage device with fixed voltage , we use current capacity.
3. We want to conserve CURRENT not voltage
4. THey are MORE efficient than a BOOSTED regulator and draw LESS current to do the SAME JOB.
5. Stacked cells allows you to reduce the voltage and conserve current capacity of a battery.
Boosted devices eat batteries and require higher capacity batts with higher current draws ( hence the AW type batt. on a ProV and others )
We did a LOT of research in this area and came up with what I believe is the MOST efficient regulated device possible. I am seeing 96% efficiency in tests .
Ok to set the record straight voltage regulators control or keep the voltage as constant as possible , so a mod that uses a VR will be more consistent ( some are better than others ) .
the OB ( original Buzz ) used a Linear regulator that produced heat as a by product in the control circuit.
The BP ( Buzz Pro ) uses a switching regulator , it is a BUCK type regulator , we chose this type for several reasons I will explain them here.
1. A Buck regulator uses voltage to produce current ( draws less amps/current from the battery )
2. A battery is a CURRENT storage device with fixed voltage , we use current capacity.
3. We want to conserve CURRENT not voltage
4. THey are MORE efficient than a BOOSTED regulator and draw LESS current to do the SAME JOB.
5. Stacked cells allows you to reduce the voltage and conserve current capacity of a battery.
Boosted devices eat batteries and require higher capacity batts with higher current draws ( hence the AW type batt. on a ProV and others )
We did a LOT of research in this area and came up with what I believe is the MOST efficient regulated device possible. I am seeing 96% efficiency in tests .
I think the Kick will be for the Grand like the 6v batteries are for my Mini; for an ocassional "kick". If you want to go VV all the time, you'd probably want the VV REO. If you already own and love your Grand and enjoy 3.7v, a Kick would be a nice accessory for a change up.
What's wrong with owning both? Anyone? Anyone? Yeah, That's sorta what I thought
What's wrong with owning both? Anyone? Anyone? Yeah, That's sorta what I thought
I will be picking up a few of the kick mods for my Grand and a few tube mods I have.
Nothing wrong with that at all. IMO
What's wrong with owning both? Anyone? Anyone? Yeah, That's sorta what I thought
If I had the slightest need for one I might have gotten one too.
What's wrong with owning both? Anyone? Anyone? Yeah, That's sorta what I thought
I don't believe anybody said there is anything wrong with owning both, my post was merely stating my preferences and why the Kick would not work for me. Do not take personal opinions as bashing the other product, my original Grand will stay at 6 volts like it always has because it works well for me. Everybody has opinions and everybody else will not always agree with them, thats the beauty of a free country we don't have to agree
LOL, no need to defend your position. I was just trying and failing to find a witty way to say "I inteed to buy both a VV grand and a kick to go in my mech grand."
I've wanted a VV reo since I got my reo grand, but judging by the current beat to crap condition of said reo, I'm pretty hard on the 'ole gal. This means that when I do get my hands on a VV reo, it's staying at the crib. However, as I am strung out on getting "fresh battery" hits from the DT, the cheaper kick will go nicely in my pocket grand to keep the performance steady. If it beaks (the kick that is....I'm convinced the grand will out live my future children and grand children), I'll just pop in a backup 18650 and I'll still be able to fog out rooms until I can replace said kick.
In short, you guys do what ya want......hooray freedom......but me? Imma buy both.
I've wanted a VV reo since I got my reo grand, but judging by the current beat to crap condition of said reo, I'm pretty hard on the 'ole gal. This means that when I do get my hands on a VV reo, it's staying at the crib. However, as I am strung out on getting "fresh battery" hits from the DT, the cheaper kick will go nicely in my pocket grand to keep the performance steady. If it beaks (the kick that is....I'm convinced the grand will out live my future children and grand children), I'll just pop in a backup 18650 and I'll still be able to fog out rooms until I can replace said kick.
In short, you guys do what ya want......hooray freedom......but me? Imma buy both.
Cool, this means you can try an experiment that I'm curious about but not willing to try myself for fear of undoing the fabric of space and time. Put the Kick into the VV REO.
I'll be awaiting your results from a superficially safe distance.
I'll be awaiting your results from a superficially safe distance.
Oh no worries we are good
, you sounded offended and I wanted to make sure you knew I wasn't bashing either product, just stating the reasons one of them won't work for me. At least we can all agree that we love Reos, that is good enough for me
True GAC. REOs = winning. No argument at all on that one. You're alright for a Broncos fan
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