VV vs Mechanical

[imb1610]

Guys i have a question regarding the title
I have recently purchased VV hana mods clone and a nemises mechanical clone
I have read up on both but i keep wondering is it even worth getting the VV clone
Im torn because i have used VV mods since a little after the first vamo came out but now that im getting a mechanical i really cant find very much advantage to getting VV clone can you guys offer some advice?
TO mods: if i posted in the wrong section i apologize in advanced

 

[dannyrl]

Well if the Hana clone is any good, you'll be able to vape up to 20 or 30W on it depending on the chip inside. The only reason I went mech is for the high power vaping. If the Hana clone can actually output 20 or 30W consistantly, I would probably vape on it more than my mech to be honest.

 

[Baditude]

I don't understand your question.

You've got the two extremes of APV's: a mechanical and a regulated mod. What could you be missing between the two?

Having had a battery explode early on in my first mechanical mod, I favor any regulated mod over a mechanical mod just because of the built-in protective circuitry they provide. They both have their place in vaping.

 

[imb1610]

are VV/VW more mobile? i also am moving to mech for high power vaping i want to push 18-25amps so my plan is to build a super safe build of a single twisted micro coil in my RDA of .4 ohms what scares me is will that make everything else(as in my VV mods) obsolete? because im not opposed to saving the 70$ im paying for the hana mod clone and investing that in premium juice or regular juice or even new RBA's

 

[imb1610]

I don't understand your question.

You've got the two extremes of APV's: a mechanical and a regulated mod. What could you be missing between the two?

Having had a battery explode early on in my first mechanical mod, I favor any regulated mod over a mechanical mod just because of the built-in protective circuitry they provide. They both have their place in vaping.

Why did it explode? i ask only because from what i have read accidents are almost completely preventable (please correct me if i am wrong)
And what injuries did you suffer? are you ok?

 

[mbliffert]

I use a few DNA30's and a handful of mechs everyday, but I could probably do without the VV devices.

Favoring large 22 or 24g wire usually means my coils are sub .4ohms which rules out almost all regulated mods.

I also prefer mechs when I leave the house for their added portability and the pocket-friendly factor.

I do enjoy the battery life and consistency I get with Kayfuns on my box mods though.

The new SX350 chip fires down to .2ohms up to 35watts. I can't wait to pick up a box with one of those in it.

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[Baditude]

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[Baditude]

Why did it explode? i ask only because from what i have read accidents are almost completely preventable (please correct me if i am wrong)
And what injuries did you suffer? are you ok?

Scenario: Two mechanical mods in a pants pocket inside a work locker. One of the mods had a prominent fire switch which became compressed against the other mod. Continuous firing of the button caused a rapid over-discharge of the battery, leading to thermal runaway.

The protection circuit in the so-called protected ICR battery failed to prevent over-discharge. The collapsable hot spring in the mod failed to collapse, allowing the battery circuit to continue and allow the battery to over-heat and go into thermal runaway. The mod had no safety for the fire switch, and also had no vent holes. The mod was designed to vent out the fire button, which it did in fact do.

When I found the mod it was too hot to handle. There had been some flames, as the pants were partially scorched/burnt. The fire button in the mod had to be returned to the manufacturer to replace the fire switch.

Had this been a regulated mod this incident would never have happened. The built-in protection circuitry would have shut the mod down before the battery over-discharged. It would also have had a timed auto-cutoff of the fire button. An IMR safe-chemistry battery should have been used, not a protected ICR battery. A better brand of battery like an AW IMR should have been used instead of the lower quality Trustfire ICR battery.

This was an unfortunate and memorable accident, however it encouraged me to learn about batteries and safer battery practices. This is why I promote battery education and safe practices to the members of ECF.

Battery Basics for Mods: IMR or Protected ICR?

Deeper Understanding of Mod Batteries

 

[brickfollett]

18-25 amps? Are you kidding??? According to the little calculator I'm using, my .84 ohm coils is running at 5 amps. That is a fantastic vape and produces crazy clouds. Your talking about approaching .2 ohms or so, which is just ridiculous in my opinion. I did a .47 ohm dual coil with 26 gauge kanthal, 10 wraps each and it was just outrageous. I could really only vape pure vegetable glycol out of it, and occasionally drip in my mount baker 12 mg nicotine just. Far far too intense for me.

 

[edyle]

are VV/VW more mobile? i also am moving to mech for high power vaping i want to push 18-25amps so my plan is to build a super safe build of a single twisted micro coil in my RDA of .4 ohms what scares me is will that make everything else(as in my VV mods) obsolete? because im not opposed to saving the 70$ im paying for the hana mod clone and investing that in premium juice or regular juice or even new RBA's

More mobile??? Is that a typo?

18-25 amps....

For 100 watt vaping I'd suggest plugging into the wall, or vaping off a car battery instead of shorting out a 2 ounce lithium battery next to your face.

 

[blueGrassTubb]

Guys i have a question regarding the title
I have recently purchased VV hana mods clone and a nemises mechanical clone
I have read up on both but i keep wondering is it even worth getting the VV clone
Im torn because i have used VV mods since a little after the first vamo came out but now that im getting a mechanical i really cant find very much advantage to getting VV clone can you guys offer some advice?
TO MODS: if i posted in the wrong section i apologize in advanced

The major advantage to a regulated MOD like the Hana clone (assuming it is what the specs say it is) is that you will get a smooth, consistent vape throughout so long as the battery has a charge (above 3.2v). As a safety measure most regulated MODs cut off at 3.2v because it's dangerous to deplete the battery, a mech MOD has no such safety feature. With a mech MOD, as your battery depletes, so does the vapor. You will get a max vape at 4.2v (max charge), but after a bit of vaping and the battery charge lessens, your vapor will too lessen. At 3.8v, you're looking at a 10% loss from what you had at 4.2v. This will not happen with a regulated MOD. You will get the same vape the entire time.

 

[blueGrassTubb]

are VV/VW more mobile? i also am moving to mech for high power vaping i want to push 18-25amps so my plan is to build a super safe build of a single twisted micro coil in my RDA of .4 ohms what scares me is will that make everything else(as in my VV mods) obsolete? because im not opposed to saving the 70$ im paying for the hana mod clone and investing that in premium juice or regular juice or even new RBA's

In order to reach 25A on a mech, you'd need to have a sub .2Ω atty (.168Ω to be exact) with a fully charged battery. Even 18A requires that you're using just over .2Ω (.233Ω).

The max amperage you'll see on a fully charged battery (4.2v) at .4Ω is 10.5A.

 

[anumber1]

are VV/VW more mobile? i also am moving to mech for high power vaping i want to push 18-25amps so my plan is to build a super safe build of a single twisted micro coil in my RDA of .4 ohms what scares me is will that make everything else(as in my VV mods) obsolete? because im not opposed to saving the 70$ im paying for the hana mod clone and investing that in premium juice or regular juice or even new RBA's

25 amps!

0.4 ohm coil will not get you there. That is only a 10.5 amp draw @ 4.2 volts.
There is no regulated mod made that will allow you to fire a .15 ohm coil. (@ 4.2v would equal a 28 amp draw for 118 watts of heat).

 

[ericbnc]

In order to reach 25A on a mech, you'd need to have a sub .2Ω atty (.168Ω to be exact) with a fully charged battery. Even 18A requires that you're using just over .2Ω (.233Ω).

My understanding of the way to convert might not be correct, but this is what I remember about how to convert:

The max amperage you'll see on a fully charged battery (4.2v) at .4Ω is 10.5A.

0.4 ohm coil will get you there (25 watts). Battery spends most of it's usable charge at 3.7 volts, so let's use that number.

3.7V X 3.7V = 13.69

13.39 divided by 0.4 ohm coil = 34.225 watts

A very good mod could run that 0.4 ohm coil at 80% efficiency

80% of 34.225 watts = 27.38 watts

 

[anumber1]

0.4 ohm coil will get you there (25 watts). Battery spends most of it's usable charge at 3.7 volts, so let's use that number.

3.7V X 3.7V = 13.69

13.39 divided by 0.4 ohm coil = 34.225 watts

A very good mod could run that 0.4 ohm coil at 80% efficiency

80% of 34.225 watts = 27.38 watts

The OP states they want to pull 18 to 25 amps.

That is 100+ watts and only attainable with a sub .2 ohm coil @4.2v or more than 10 volts on a .4 ohm coil that the OP wants to use.

 

[brickfollett]

25 amps!

0.4 ohm coil will not get you there. That is only a 10.5 amp draw @ 4.2 volts.
There is no regulated mod made that will allow you to fire a .15 ohm coil. (@ 4.2v would equal a 28 amp draw for 118 watts of heat).

Actually I think the Gi2 is capable of doing that. crazy crazy mod

 

[blueGrassTubb]

Actually I think the Gi2 is capable of doing that. crazy crazy mod

I don't think it goes sub-.2Ω. It might, but I doubt it.

 

[brickfollett]

Probably a good thing. Still a heck of A regulated mod up to 168 watts

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[Glenn_K]

You could always look at getting a Kick for your mech mods, which will add VV capability plus some of the same protections found in regulated mods.

-- Glenn

Guys i have a question regarding the title
I have recently purchased VV hana mods clone and a nemises mechanical clone
I have read up on both but i keep wondering is it even worth getting the VV clone
Im torn because i have used VV mods since a little after the first vamo came out but now that im getting a mechanical i really cant find very much advantage to getting VV clone can you guys offer some advice?
TO MODS: if i posted in the wrong section i apologize in advanced

 

[B1sh0p]

I don't understand your question.

You've got the two extremes of APV's: a mechanical and a regulated mod. What could you be missing between the two?

Having had a battery explode early on in my first mechanical mod, I favor any regulated mod over a mechanical mod just because of the built-in protective circuitry they provide. They both have their place in vaping.

You never had a battery "explode." More Baditude propaganda to scare people into buying a Provari.