While I am a full supporter of the "follow the money" theory, when I was listening to Dr. Siegel's hour on VapeTV, I can see how there is also an ideological issue. People have been schooled in a certain way of thinking and any challenge to that is very difficult. It does not excuse them from doing the necessary research to change their ideology, however. Human beings are resistant to change and changing one's ideology is very difficult. Given that, it is imperative that the thought leaders in this arena ABSOLUTELY NEED TO DO THE RESEARCH AND CHANGE THEIR IDEOLOGY in order to improve the lives of smokers. AN IDEOLOGICAL EXCUSE is unacceptable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Walmart to sell electronic cigarettes?!?
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Walmart in Eugene, Or. sells ecigs now...they were behind the counter with the tobacco products, so I couldn,t tell what model it actually was...
This is what surprises me. Why hasn't Big tobacco companies started their development? As much as I hate to say it, this might actually make them look good for a change. The last several years, they have been called liars, cheats and murderers....you would think they would want to start researching and developing their own product. As more and more people quit because of pressure from society, the cost of cigs, and e-cigs all the big boys mentioned in your posts are already starting to lose out.
I hope I don't kicked off for suggesting this LOL
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I think if Walmart is making money off of e-cigs it could be a big help with our battle with the FDA...allot of people go to walmart and will prob have allot better prices on ecigs than what they are asking for the ecigs in the malls right now.. which is what draws allot of people away from them...
There are reports that BT is doing just that. My only worry is that they will develop some form of proprietary design thgat will then be pushed by groups like CTFK to the FDA as the required design for legality. Whatever we do, we need to keep the internet available for sales. If BT gets brick and mortar regs in place they will control convenience stor sales in the US and the only other option will be tobacco shops and PV specialty shops.
I was reading over the FDA page and their reports here- Electronic Cigarettes And it looks like their main beef is with prefilled cartos with nic juice and what they found in one carto. They did not say anything negative about the devise itself. If their case is only about nic juice maybe we can get around the whole devise issue if the ecig is a batt and blank carto what is their problem. I can see them getting away perhaps regulating nic juice and it costing a fortune. Hoping that is the worse case senerio. But it really is weird how they fight this as being a stop smoking devise when there are tons & tons of testimonials on EFC alone, really crazy! bnrk
I don't want the tobacco industry involved in e-cigs at all. Look how they ruined tobacco. lol
Actually, the folks employed by tobacco companies these days are working very hard to make tobacco products less hazardous. Look at the track record of the modern smokeless products such as snus and dissolvables. A scientist who works for Star Scientific said that they decided to stop making tobacco cigarettes, as they could not see any way to make them safe. Star Scientific makes Ariva and Stonewall dissolvable orbs. They are very low in nitrosamines to start out with, but recently they have made versions of these products with barely detectable levels of nitrosamines. They call these Ariva BDL and Stonewall BDL.
Some of the tobacco companies are working on their own version of e-cigs, but large companies are always very slow to bring products to market.
Walgreens in Sheridan, WY sells Njoy behind the counter with the analogs. Saw this 23 December.
The article puts a refreshing good "spin" on e-cigs!
The fact that they are referred to as any kind of a "cig" has not been helpful!
I like the name "Vapor Sticks"!
It does not associate "E-cigs" with cigarettes, already known to be dangerous and un-popular!
I wish we had more articles like that!
Wal-Mart is cashing in on the "Face-to-Face" legislation that is probably going to be passed.
We only have until January 19 to send in our comments to the FDA.
Take a break from the Forum, and send them a letter against this "Face-to-Face" issue!
The information is in the thread is here on ECF!
This "Face-to-Face" ban is supposedly to protect minors who have NO PROBLEM PURCHASING TOBACCO CIGARETTES "FACE-to-FACE"!
The fact that they are referred to as any kind of a "cig" has not been helpful!
I like the name "Vapor Sticks"!
It does not associate "E-cigs" with cigarettes, already known to be dangerous and un-popular!
I wish we had more articles like that!
Wal-Mart is cashing in on the "Face-to-Face" legislation that is probably going to be passed.
We only have until January 19 to send in our comments to the FDA.
Take a break from the Forum, and send them a letter against this "Face-to-Face" issue!
The information is in the thread is here on ECF!
This "Face-to-Face" ban is supposedly to protect minors who have NO PROBLEM PURCHASING TOBACCO CIGARETTES "FACE-to-FACE"!
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I believe that the Big Tobacco companies have had R&D rooms for a long long time now, as well as quite an effective business plan of take over. They have been watching where this whole e-cig thing was going very closely as they have been loosing income on the regular cigarettes. Now that they see it has become a safer alternative and the masses are hoping aboard our E-cig bus they will probably become huge players as there pockets are about the deepest in the world. Along with Big Pharma having the same deep pockets I expect them to be teaming up to produce a Nic & e-cig that then will get approval for vaping some way or another. This will then hurt the smaller vendors we now have and the big boys will try to, or will, take over the show as money talks these days and they've both got it, along with the ability to pay the lobbyist and political contacts to get things done there way. Just how I see it all panning out myself, it's already happening in Greece where Nic is now only available in pharmacies. Hopefully our great vendors that we have in this industry that have been here from the very begging can somehow continue in business and arent forced out one way or another but it may happen in do time to come because the Big boy's are Greedy and will want it all.
Walgreens in NC sell Blu disposables.
That still does not solve our "Face-to-Face" ban issue!
I much prefer my choices of E-liquids and PVs, and the convenience of purchasing them via the internet!
(and also)
I would like to see the many small companies thrive!
Competition is good for us in the market-place as well!
That still does not solve our "Face-to-Face" ban issue!
I much prefer my choices of E-liquids and PVs, and the convenience of purchasing them via the internet!
(and also)
I would like to see the many small companies thrive!
Competition is good for us in the market-place as well!
I have only the internet to get suppies or drive 3 hours to Kalamazoo.... hope they don't do this to us
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I hope they do not do this to us and to the small companies!
I hope you will post your comment to the FDA before January 19.
At least, you will have tried to stop this for all our sakes!
Vape On!
I hope you will post your comment to the FDA before January 19. At least, you will have tried to stop this for all our sakes! Vape On!
The real controversy in the US is over the e-juice not the actual e-cigarette devices. Even the government admits the devices themselves contain no harmful components, but the e-liquid (with or without nicotine) that is required to make the e-cig work is uncontrolled. This is where the government will probably make a regulatory move in the future. Admittedly, standards for e-liquid manufacture should be set for the safety of all users. This would provide a benefit to all e-cigarette vapers, but formally doing so will open the door to additional regulations (and more taxes). E-liquid will then escalate to the point of present tobacco cigarette costs in order to replace the loss in tobacco cigarette tax revenue. Should WalMart get involved along with Big Tobacco surely this will occur.
It should be noted that, if current self-regulating e-juice manufacturers both in the US and abroad were selling harmful products, there would have been extensive news reports of this. To my knowledge, in the many years that e-cigarettes have been available, this has never occurred.
ITS REALLY ALL ABOUT THE MONEY!
The bottom line is that, regardless of any possible health benefits due to harm reduction, Federal, State and local governments do not want e-cigarettes to be sold in the USA. This is because people switching to e-cig use eliminates a major tax base which all our various governments exploit to function. Also, big tobacco and especially pharmaceutical companies do not want their business curtailed even slightly by e-cigarette use. The combination of the above have massive money and power and will do just about anything to protect their sources of income. Of course you know that our government and large corporations would never lie to the American public to make money...
One question: How can the FDA regulate "vapor sticks" as tobacco products when there is no tobacco in them?
Be sure to post your comments to the FDA!
It should be noted that, if current self-regulating e-juice manufacturers both in the US and abroad were selling harmful products, there would have been extensive news reports of this. To my knowledge, in the many years that e-cigarettes have been available, this has never occurred.
ITS REALLY ALL ABOUT THE MONEY!
The bottom line is that, regardless of any possible health benefits due to harm reduction, Federal, State and local governments do not want e-cigarettes to be sold in the USA. This is because people switching to e-cig use eliminates a major tax base which all our various governments exploit to function. Also, big tobacco and especially pharmaceutical companies do not want their business curtailed even slightly by e-cigarette use. The combination of the above have massive money and power and will do just about anything to protect their sources of income. Of course you know that our government and large corporations would never lie to the American public to make money...
One question: How can the FDA regulate "vapor sticks" as tobacco products when there is no tobacco in them?
Be sure to post your comments to the FDA!
It is about the money...and who's getting it.
Soon we will probably need a prescription for e-liquid, which can only be purchased at a pharmacy.
Just kidding...I hope.
Soon we will probably need a prescription for e-liquid, which can only be purchased at a pharmacy.
Just kidding...I hope.
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