WARNING! Chocking Hazard Found Using Joye510 Carts

[Kent C]

At DietSmoakes is it the ones called "DSE901 /4075 Blank Empty Cartridges" Sku:901emptycarts? Do they fit well on the 510 or are they very tight?

Yes. Those are the ones I ordered (no guarantee that Parked will stay with that type - you might email/PM him if you want to make sure) ...and they fit well on the Innovapor 'new attys'** which were a tad oversized, and they are a very snug fit (some force needed to take on and off) on the regular 510 attys at first, but as things get heated up they become just tight. The regular 510 carts can get very loose sometimes. It's all in the tolerances of both parts, of course a 1000th can make the difference. But.... they do fit. I'd rather have it be a tight fit. One can always shave a bit off but it's harder to add on without introducing some other material that might not be right for vaping/inhaling.

**About a month ago, Innovapor introduced 'new atomizers' for the 510 that were supposed to last 3x longer than the current ones. They carried two types - the titan with the brass band and the 'classic' without the brass band. The 'new attys' didn't have a brass band and ended up were oversized. At one point you could designate which of the three that you wanted. I haven't checked recently. But the regular 510 carts were too loose for the 'new attys' and the solution was to get the 901 carts. The problem was, that there were (at least) two types of 901 carts - the "0" style and the "D" style. Only the "0" style fixed the problem with the new attys. If you don't have those new innovapor attys then that isn't a problem as far as size goes. But there is a difference between both the 510 and the 901 styles in the flat tips - the mouthpiece end on the "D" style can be very loose and come off in your mouth - someone swallowed one - that can be best fixed, imo by just removing it. I only use the "0" style because I like the thicker flat/whistle tip and the end piece is solidly fixed. And the "0" style is better, imo, for the straw mod.

 

[HaploVoss]

Could you explain this... it sounds like a very intelligent statement, but I haven't the faculties to figure it out...lol. You did say it took you almost your entire life to this point to figure it out, so I don't feel extremely silly, but would like to skip to the end, in a manner of speaking..

lol no problem - an Objectivist is someone who - put in the most simple terms - believes in absolute self preservation. Therefore if someone is in danger, it is better to let them fend for themselves rather than risk your own life trying to save them / help them - even if the risk is minimal. They even have a term called 'Hero Syndrome' that is considered a negative aspect of human nature.

So what it boils down to is - if someone is drowning and there is a rope right in front of you -> should you go ahead and throw them the rope? Or do you walk away and just claim that it was 'self preservation'.

Basically, the fine line is being stated that regardless of your beliefs - how hard is it to throw a rope and just what kind of risk could possibly be involved? You can argue it into the ground, but in the end wouldn't it be better to just go ahead and throw the rope?

If you research Objectivism I think the statement will become ever more clear to you, and the relation to the arguments being made in this thread.

In a nut shell - I can see both sides of the argument, but would tend to err on the side of caution, and not automatically throw out information either way until I have learned the dangers involved especially when it revolves around the possible death or even near-death of someone. No matter how slight the chance might seem.

But - that is just my point of view

Take care!

 

[Kent C]

Kent, I just got an order of these, and am looking at them right now... They do have the end piece, though unlike the round tip, they are inset into the end of the cart, as opposed to being 'capped' on. Problem is, some are set firmly, and, after trying, I can't get them out. But there is at least one that is poorly set, and it looks like it could fairly easily come off..

That sounds like the "D" type (or perhaps there's another of which I'm unaware) but the "0" types I have are very stable. What is the shape of the cart side where the filler goes? Is it D shaped or is it rounded on two ends and flat on the sides? In any case, one should check for loseness of the end piece whether flat tip or round tip.

 

[Kent C]

lol no problem - an Objectivist is someone who - put in the most simple terms - believes in absolute self preservation.

More precisely, it's someone who believes in acting in one's rational self-interest.

Therefore if someone is in danger, it is better to let them fend for themselves rather than risk your own life trying to save them / help them - even if the risk is minimal. They even have a term called 'Hero Syndrome' that is considered a negative aspect of human nature.

Here's what Ayn Rand, the top Objectivist has said:

"If you exchange a penny for a dollar, it is not a sacrifice; if you exchange a dollar for a penny, it is. If you achieve the career you wanted, after years of struggle, it is not a sacrifice; if you then renounce it for the sake of a rival, it is. If you own a bottle of milk and give it to your starving child, it is not a sacrifice; if you give it to your neighbor’s child and let your own die, it is."

It involves one's values rather than the whether something is merely an inconvenience like throwing a rope. If one values life, Objectivism's highest value, then one should be able to see the idea that an Objectivist would not throwing a rope to a drowning person is simply a strawman argument against some larger issue someone might have with Objectivism - usually along the lines that 'you should sacrifice yourself for the good of the collective'. Any reading of even Rand's novels would show the 'heroes' acting to help others and in some cases putting their lives in danger in order to do so, and where those who claim to 'care about others' are the first to bail in emergencies.

 

[Briar]

That sounds like the "D" type (or perhaps there's another of which I'm unaware) but the "0" types I have are very stable. What is the shape of the cart side where the filler goes? Is it D shaped or is it rounded on two ends and flat on the sides? In any case, one should check for loseness of the end piece whether flat tip or round tip.

It's definitely the 0-type from Dietsmokes... I guess it's a matter of QC, when all is said and done. We should probably pay attention and make sure that these are inset correctly. The one that I could easily get out was sticking up on one end, so it was never set correctly in the first place. The properly set flat one I couldn't get out no matter what I tried. I can't imagine how hard you'd have to chew on it to make a dent.

I'll keep using these though. I like them. And I don't chew on them. As a matter of fact, I'll be ordering more of them tomorrow. BTW, Healthcabin sells these exact same carts, in white and black.

cheers,
Briar.

 

[Kent C]

It's definitely the 0-type from Dietsmokes...

Ok. Good to know. I'll check mine. I got a case of them. ;-)

As a matter of fact, I'll be ordering more of them tomorrow. BTW, Healthcabin sells these exact same carts, in white and black.

cheers,
Briar.

Yep. I have gotten them from other places as well. ecigexpress for one and freshsmoking in the 'brown/orange' color for white batt/attys for a 'filtered cigarette' look. The D type I got from eastmall. On most pictures that can be enlarged you can see them. The 0 types have just the transparent cap/rubber/condom and the other types have a black cap with a D shaped transparent cap inside. At least that's how the ones I've gotten have come packaged.

 

[taz3cat]

Don't forget to put on there do not operate machinery when using. Maybe child proof caps would help. Texting may be dangerous while vaping, hitting pot hole for sure. Most of all they should put on label do not use untess you have an IQ of 90.