Warning: Johnson creek e-liquid

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trog100

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i think my statement is basically true kate.. i dont have to prove it.. most people know it..

most people also know what i mean by "home brew" as well.. its not meant in a derogatory way.. lets say a very small scale start up enterprise without big money backing or the facilities a big corperation would have..

end of my answers for u now.. no more.. u are allowed one thrust and thats it.. he he

trog

ps.. and no kate u cant trick me into using "names" my statement is of a general nature..
 
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Kate

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"... u are allowed one thrust and thats it." What does that mean?

You don't use names because those names disprove your statement. By denying that some Chinese companies can and do sell 'good safe reliable products' relative to other cultures you are being blatantly racist.

You are denying that eliquid from China can match, or better, standards in other parts of the world and you use the term 'home brew' for a North American product. Do you also think that Freesmoke and Cybercig, which come from European labs are 'home brew'? By saying home brew you imply an amateur setup. You have no more information than the rest of us about the setup of any of the labs producing eliquid. How can you generalise? Why would you generalise if not to show deliberate contempt for those you are generalising about?

I'm not trying to trick you Trog. I'm trying to understand why you post such odd statements sometimes. If you are not open to public discourse why do you post on a public forum? You seem to go out of your way to offend people, do you expect that to be ok?
 

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we used to get some of our production press tooling made in china. Bear in mind our sister company was a UK based tooling firm Allenvale tools
The chinese tooling we ordered was of superior quality and a heck of a lot cheaper even including shipping and they used to take half the time to produce it.

I have no probs with Chinese quality control.
people may bring up things like the baby milk and powdered milk , the lead paint on toys and all that crap, but the UK has had it's fair share of things taken off from shelves because poor quality control or unscrupulous manufacturing processes.

Taring a whole nations manufacturing processes and quality control issues with the same brush just because of recent news headlines is ridiculous.

now please can we get back to topic.
If we can't may i suggest a mod delete this thread as no more useful information is being added to it
 

trog100

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yes we are grown ups lets drop this PC cr-p.. china has a bad reputation as regards guaranteed product quality.. germany has a good reputation for product quality so does japan.. this might be thought racist by some.. but its true..

some peoples lack of trust as regards chinese health standards being somewhat different than ours is part of this thread.. there are good chinese products there are bad chinese products..

the ratio between good and bad is different with chinese goods than it is with german or japanese goods.. this is fact its not conjecture on my part..

china stands for "cheap" it also stands for more than its fair share of bad products.. having said that i buy lots of cheap chinese products.. i just bought a chinese metal lathe.. it cost me 300 quid.. its a copy of a german lathe which would cost me 2000 quid.. is it as good as the german lathe.. of course it isnt.. but who in their right mind would expect it to be..

my son has just bought a chinese motor bike.. its copy of japanese honda motor bike..

but when i buy my chinese products i know the risk element.. but its a risk i am prepared to take.. just like i know the risk i take when i smoke my chinese e liquid..

us hypocritical PC correct westerners export our pollution to china.. at present the chinese are happy to oblige.. basically the chinese are doing our dirty work for us.. we are happy to let em..

trog
 
Personally, I would say PG, unless your sensitive to it. Very few really are.

Again, Personally, I Like VG, but I dont think it can be used in as high a concentration as PG. (Meaning, You can have more PG in a mix, then VG)
I would just cut any VG with a little pure water is all.

After reading all the posts, Im as confused as the rest of you.
I am now working off of Personal experience.
 

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china has a bad reputation as regards guaranteed product quality..

china stands for "cheap" it also stands for more than its fair share of bad products..

but when i buy my chinese products i know the risk element.. but its a risk i am prepared to take.. just like i know the risk i take when i smoke my chinese e liquid..

trog

I'm sorry but it is a load of rubbish to say that China makes cheap junk.

China has some of the best manufacturing plants in the world. China can make some of the highest quality goods in the world.

I personally have custom ordered parts from China and was very happy with the results.

The point you are missing is that China will make whatever you want them to make.

You could go to a Chinese manufacturer and say "I want 10,000 of these made as quickly and cheaply as possible" and as promised, the very next week you could have 10,000 of whatever you ordered made out of the cheapest nastiest materials with no quality control checks.

You could also go to a Chinese manufacturer and say "I want 10 of these, they have to be perfect, use the absolute best materials available" and sure enough they will deliver something that would put German manufacturing to shame.

The finished product quality is down to the specification of the designer, not because Chinese can't make good products.
 

trog100

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I'm sorry but it is a load of rubbish to say that China makes cheap junk.

China has some of the best manufacturing plants in the world. China can make some of the highest quality goods in the world.

I personally have custom ordered parts from China and was very happy with the results.

The point you are missing is that China will make whatever you want them to make.

You could go to a Chinese manufacturer and say "I want 10,000 of these made as quickly and cheaply as possible" and as promised, the very next week you could have 10,000 of whatever you ordered made out of the cheapest nastiest materials with no quality control checks.

You could also go to a Chinese manufacturer and say "I want 10 of these, they have to be perfect, use the absolute best materials available" and sure enough they will deliver something that would put German manufacturing to shame.

The finished product quality is down to the specification of the designer, not because Chinese can't make good products.

the chinese are very clever people.. they can and do make extremely good products.. but they also make junk products just like japan did forty years ago..

and they are quite capable of ruining an otherwise good product by fitting a simple on/off switch that breaks as soon as its used.. i have bought enough chinese machinery to know this.. i dont mind cos at the price its worth replacing the odd faulty switch or cream cheese nut and bolt..

their quality control seems to foul up near the end.. they seem to get the important bits right but mess up with simple things like on/off switches.. i find this odd to be honest..

but a lot of expensive brand name stuff that people wouldnt associate with china is in fact made there.. but it does require a visit to china to make sure the job is done correctly..

years ago i used to read a lot science fiction stories.. a short story written sixty years ago went like this..

all over america small shops appeared.. they had the name gizmo incorporated up on the shop front..

people took something they owned into these shops payed five dollars left it there overnight and the next morning received the original article plus an exact copy of the original article..

these shops became very popular and people wondered about them.. as the story went it turned out these shops were set up by an alien race using their superior technology to manage this clever trick.. an exact copy of anything for just five dollars..

it also turned out the alien plan was to wage war on america by wrecking its economy..

this story was written sixty years ago.. since the story was written i think the aliens have taken over the entirety of china and turned it into one huge "gizmo incorporated shop".. he he

china is one huge gizmo machine and for five dollars they can copy anything.. that story was very prophetic.. it will wreck the american economy just like the aliens in the sixty year old story tried to do.. america stopped the aliens.. they wont stop the chinese..

i often quote that old story when china comes up in conversation..

trog
 
Hello everyone

I think this debate should not be because we could obviously be extended to all countries and continents
The problem before us is the quality of liquid Johnson Creek not manufactured, seems to be, in China
I wonder if today this problem has been solved because of my hand, I warned members of our forum
I would like to clear communication on this matter and what steps have been taken
I thank you for your answers
 

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So, I have a sample kit of VG johnson's creek that I received on Friday of last week from e-cigs.co.uk. I was planning on sharing it with a couple of mates who have super minis (I have a mini and a super mini) tomorrow night by handing out some empty cartridges and having us all fill them up. Now I'm worried about screwing my atomiser, or worse, my mates' atomisers.

Guess the answer is I should leave it for now eh?

If I was able to create new threads I would actually post a poll to see if people would use the liquid or not now, since it's hard to gauge the general opinion from this thread...
 

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So, I have a sample kit of VG johnson's creek that I received on Friday of last week from e-cigs.co.uk. I was planning on sharing it with a couple of mates who have super minis (I have a mini and a super mini) tomorrow night by handing out some empty cartridges and having us all fill them up. Now I'm worried about screwing my atomiser, or worse, my mates' atomisers.

Guess the answer is I should leave it for now eh?

If I was able to create new threads I would actually post a poll to see if people would use the liquid or not now, since it's hard to gauge the general opinion from this thread...

I have also ordered the sample pack from e-cigs because I think that the stuff was already on its way (stuck in customs) when the problems with that particular batch started. From what I hear, the older batches were OK.

Anyway, my white mini atomiser is a bit knackered, so I don't mind trying it in that one first. I'll let you know if there's a problem.
 

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smoking gnu said:
Could anyone tell me what JC Tennessee cured tastes like. Is it a tobacco flavour ?

Johnson Creek discribes it as:"A strong, deep, and rich smokey tobacco with just the slightest hint of a burnt caramel and vanilla."

This is pretty close. It is rich and it has a slightly sweet finish. Very tasty. Not much of a throat hit but the new formula (which I just ordered) is supposed to have more. As with all e-fluids, I really don't get a true tobacco taste.
 

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Johnson Creek discribes it as:"A strong, deep, and rich smokey tobacco with just the slightest hint of a burnt caramel and vanilla."

This is pretty close. It is rich and it has a slightly sweet finish. Very tasty. Not much of a throat hit but the new formula (which I just ordered) is supposed to have more. As with all e-fluids, I really don't get a true tobacco taste.




Thanks. It sounds like ry4. Would that be right?
 
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