Warning: Johnson creek e-liquid

[CandyGirl]

i just can't imagine how much that stings. lol.

 

[burnt]

CssReb - go to the FDA site:

FDA > CDRH > Registration & Listing Database Search

type in their number - they were disallowed period.

Please get the name and number of who you talked to and give it to me so I can verify what you said, just like I gave you everything to verify for yourself.

 

[SupplierX]

I realize I am a supplier that will be selling Johnson Creek, so take my reply with a grain of salt. The FDA certificate is a minor part of what makes JC a great company. In fact, Christian knows that the FDA certificate means nothing in the grand scheme of things. What is important is the efforts JC has made regarding the safety of their eliquid and advancing awareness of the product. They now ship their bottle sealed with a child proof cap, name one company that has even considered this. A user has to conciously remove the child proof cap. They also print the ingredients and a nicotine warning on the label. JC is a pioneer in the eliquid industry, they have bent over backwards for the people who have complained about the green liquid. They are much more transparent than any other company. They are doing everything they can to be a ligitamate operation. They will be a big part in the future of this industry in the US. This forum is full of nit pickers and neighsayers that love drama. If you don't like JC don't use it, but I have to tell you, as a vaper myself, I feel a whole lot safer vaping JC liquid then I do the Chinese mystery blend no matter what color it is.

 

[burnt]

FDA > CDRH > Registration & Listing Database Search

type in their number: 14732819018

Give me the person's name and number at the FDA so I can verify myself, just like I gave you the info to verify yourself. According to the FDA database their registration was yanked and not renewable.

I contacted JC and never heard back beyond this over 48 hours ago:

Hi,

So great to hear from you, we absolutely appreciate your interest in Johnson Creek Smoke Juice. I have forwarded your inquiry onto the appropriate leadership team. I, or another leader, will be in contact with you in the next 24-48 business hours. In the meantime, should you need anything, please feel free to contact me directly at hbraun@johnsoncreeksmokejuice.com

Thank you,

Heidi Braun

Johnson Creek Smoke Juice

Vice President; Operations

 

[burnt]

If it doesn't mean anything let them take it off. I have no beef with them except they are misleading people who really want to know about this. The FDA thing is a big issue in this "business" - and they don't respond to inquiries about it being on their website of what it means. In any case they do NOT HAVE A VALID REGISTRATION and they are representing themselves otherwise. What the hell do you call that? Any way, I'm done. Just let the guy who called the FDA back it up with the name of the person so I can follow up. If I'm wrong I will apologize in Macy's Window and JC can sue me for libel. I don't think that's gonna happen.....

 

[CandyGirl]

well you have to give them a little time.
i'm sure there very busy taking and filling orders and making money hand over fist and plotting the destruction of the civilized world via circumventing FDA Regulations.
lol.

 

[fatman]

FDA > CDRH > Registration & Listing Database URL

burnt, did you forget to take your ritalin today? That is the Center for Device and Radiation Health - CDRH - the worng place to look it up. JC WOULD NOT BE IN THERE!!!!!

Why am I responding?

 

[Mex]

Wish I saw this before I ordered my juice. I am going to check into sending it back when it gets here. I have been waiting for ever for it to get here. Does anyone know if there is a local distributer of juice in Las Vegas?

 

[Nuck]

taleywhacker, I feel the same way. The recent changes made by JC with regards to packaging are commendable and something that I wish all North American suppliers would follow.

 

[Lorddrek]

refuses to answer totally legitimate questions about his own usage and recommended supplies for fellow vapers. He would have us believe that his own brew is better and safer than JC and possibly all other out there?

Lorddrek

 

[burnt]

This database includes establishment registration....

In any case let's see what JC has to say about it - that's the bottom line.

I'm still waiting.

I'd rather be a troll than King of Drek!

 

[Houdini]

I think the bottom line is WHO CARES! Its seems like the only one who does is you.

 

[taz3cat]

Burnt, is a sick individual, and has smoked too much of his homemade juice and caused him to be weird.

Being FDA approved will not guaruantee a product is safe, just look at the food poisoning under the FDA watch and bad drugs. That is just the things we hear about.

 

[CssReb]

(picture curtesy of Jaaxx)

make the call yourself Burnt

 

[CandyGirl]

you think he can fit his finger AND his head in there? lol

 

[Lorddrek]

Don't be childish. Answer my questions to you. I think you struggle because you are contradicting yourself. You call yourself a vaper yet you give no mention of your approved products. You certainly didn't come out of the gate puffing your Walmart homebrew. You attack only Johnson Creek saying they jeopardize it for the legitimate ones or is it just the future of vaping your concerned about?

I now more than ever stand behind my original theory that this is just JC drumming up some serious orders before the drought comes. Think what would happen if the FDA decided to pull all analogs from the shelves due to not being properly registered. The available supply would be hoarded worse than ever. Damn I need some money!

Lorddrek-Crowned with kaka

 

[Houdini]

Well, in his last post he does admit to being a troll.

 

[breakfastchef]

I am very pleased with my first order from Johnson Creek. It arrived this week. Packaging with the 2ml dropper bottles was great and the juice is decent. In fact, since it seems to be a bit thinner than other eliquids I have tried, I can top off a cart with more juice so it lasts a bit longer. In my opinion, they are a good supplier.

 

[Cymri]

so Burnt - seriously what is your beef here? I mean I can understand your concern but there has to be more to it than you are saying to have made this single issue your sole focus on this forum. Whether they were approved for that low level certification or not is really immaterial. As the only US liquid manufacturer (or at least the only everyone knows about) they are already on the FDA's radar. You are surely aware of that so I am not sure what you feel you are going to accomplish here. People aren't going to rise and take up arms against JC if they are getting a decent product. Maybe it's a little deceptive if your allegations are true, but not much important in the grand scheme. The FDA is not apt to freak out any more about that than they are more or less freaking already. Plus if I'm an FDA agent, I have those Chinese products on my mind as far as safety is concerned a whole lot more than a local company that I can check on. What's the real story here, burnt?

 

[burnt]

I appreciate the humor and digs but this is not personal. To me, by putting up a certificate for a food establishment that governs only a facility producing edibles and not inhale-ables, that is dodgy and implies that they are FDA approved. My research with the FDA and RegistrarCorp indicates they are not authorized to display or have such a certificate. That's it. You want to accuse me of not being a vaper or whatever - you don't know. Some things are conjecture and some things are not. At the right time I will tell you all about my experience and endeavors in this as a user and a distributor/manufacturer over the past 10 months. All the legal issues, the FDA, the big Pharms (which I consulted to some of the biggest), the situation in China, the patents, the health reports - all of it, my involvement with the opposition to the recent CBS report and a forthcoming feature on Fox News. I have only been involved with original patent holders like Ruyan, Loongtotem and cixi at a very high level and not anything which is cloned or has no patent or certifications or test results. I have identified and dealt with the charlatans and middlemen. I know from your perspective you prolly think this is all bs and I am nuts. I may be nuts but I assure you it is not bs. I'm nuts because I have endured all the customs, patent, testing and other flak for the last 10 months and put a lot on the line to make sure the great potential of e-cigs is reached, especially here in the US where there are close to 400,000 tobacco related deaths every year, not to mention the $100 billion in associated health care costs of which $30 billion is out of our taxes in Medicaid payments for these diseases. We can't hide and hope, but must support the testing, cessation trials and realistic regulation and manufacture of these devices, especially here in the US. That is what I am dedicated to. I am working daily with labs, clinics, hospitals and manufacturing facilities here in the US to make this happen. Right now I have people in China and in other states besides mine in the US getting all these ducks in a row. At the right time, it will be news. Hopefully in a short while we will have reliable, safe (tested) products that are legal and at a fair price. If you want to get an FDA registration, just sign up at FDA Registration | U.S. Agent | FDA Regulatory Assistance for Food, Medical Device, Drug & Cosmetic Companies - Registrar Corp, cough up your money, download your certificate and post it on your site or wall. That's not going to help anybody. I have several independent ISO/CNAS/CMA/RoHS/CE/UL Certified labs that could be used to test anyone's products and those are the results that should be on the sites or walls - those results will help move this forward honestly and under the highest level of scientific scrutiny. Agreed those tests cost money that JC or others cannot afford but still, if your car isn't inspected you cannot legally drive it - even if you can't afford the inspection fee. I don't think I am stretching things. Sorry if I rubbed you the wrong way but this is what I believe is right and will continue along these lines. JC may be naive yet sincere in a hobby-esque sort of way, but in the bigger picture - they should think about their potentially historic role in this arena. Play by the rules, no need to be implying things which are ultimately not factual, no matter how unimportant or truth stretching it may be - that's exactly what the government and the press will target. The less negatives the better and any claims must be able to withstand scrutiny. Let's not open ourselves up to unnecessary problems. That will just hurt everyone.