Was given a mechanical mod.

[SndGrdn]

Build .25 and above and get a good battery...you will be safe...

Everyone has a first Mech Mod and most of us are still alive to talk about it....

I think it is awesome that you are moving up....Your vape is about to get a lot better....

As far as rda/RTA's...Look at the Lemo if you are interested in a Rebuildable tank Atty cost a little less than $40 for an RDA the Dark Horse, Mutation X v2 and TOBH are all easy to build on. Check out fasttech.com and you can get some good clones for cheap.

Have fun and get ready to chuck some clouds....

 

[thx997303]

So I guess I'll throw this into the mix. RDA vs RTA?

Seems like the RDA is easier to switch flavors, since you drip then just vape till you need to drip some more. But I tend to vape more outdoors and while moving, often in my car. Would the RTA be a better bet for me then? Still gives me the ability to switch coil resistances and gives me some tank capacity. I usually don't vape much more than 1.5 ml a day on my current setup.

 

[Susan~S]

RDA, RTA, RDTA (rebuildable dripping tank atomizer) or even BF-RDA (bottom feeding rebuildable dripping atomizer) <= think REO (my favorite!)



But honestly, a RTA or RDTA would serve you well while outdoors or in a car. A REO would too, but it requires a specialized mod as well as the atomizer.

Many of the drippers hold a lot more than you would think (+1 mls) for many of them.

 

[Mrs C]

Could, but I already have the other clearos and they're working well. I'd rather not spend any money not toward an RDA.

I've been reading Baditude's blog posts, and a few other pieces of information about batery use, and I've noticed that there's some level of safety margin regarding maximum discharge on batteries. One piece of information suggests keeping the resistance to .25 or above for a battery with a 24 amp discharge rating. Using ohm's law, 4.2 v and .25 ohms this give a discharge of 16.8 amps, which is approximately 70% of the rated discharge for the battery. On another example, they give a battery with 10 amps discharge, and a "safe" resistance of .5 ohms. Using 4.2 v again, and .5 ohms, this gives a discharge of 8.4 amps, which is 84% of the battery's rated discharge.

So, my question here, is there a generally accepted "do not exceed" percentage? Such as, do not exceed 70% of a battery's maximum discharge rating for example? Does this change with different maximum discharge rating?

80-85% of continous discharge rating is a good percentage to aim for to leave a safety buffer.

 

[thx997303]

OK, I'll go with 80% to stay on the lower end. Shouldn't be an issue with a good battery then.

So, seems like an RTA may be my best route. I know the RDA's can hold 1 ml, but I also assume that the mod will use more juice than my Iclears.

 

[sparkky1]

thx997303,
You will absolutely want a tank RTA for travel / taking to work / vacation but for chill time / sitting around the pool / playing cards you would want an RDA .
My suggestion would be the youde goblin.The lemo would be next.RDA would be Vertex V2 and the Marquis for FLAVOR.

Keep learning about how to build coils first, watch some youtube videos, my recommendations : pbusardo and rip trippers
Please spend the time to lean this : Ohm's law | Steam Engine | free vaping calculators

 

[2naphish]

OK, I'll go with 80% to stay on the lower end. Shouldn't be an issue with a good battery then.

So, seems like an RTA may be my best route. I know the RDA's can hold 1 ml, but I also assume that the mod will use more juice than my Iclears.

i would stay with 70% of your batteries max. i never go above it. if you do go the rebuildable (RDA, RTA) route you will find the lower the ohms of the build the higher the juice consumption. i started with .6 ohms in my drippers (RDA's) and used about 10 ML of juice a day. this worked well for several months and then i started wanting a bit more. used .35 for a month or 2 and used 15-20 ML a day between 3 devices..

i am currently moving back up and liking the flavor of my juice a lot more and settling into the .45 -.5 OHM range . hope this bit of personal experience is a help. best of luck.

 

[thx997303]

Ohm's law and I are quite familiar. IN addition to already being familiar with it, I've been reading up on badditude's blog. Pretty well read all of it. Ohm's law is one of those basics, you don't want to have to get into all the various hydrology calculations. Makes Ohm's law look like 2+2. In any case, I'll keep reading any new articles about it just to make sure I didn't miss anything.

I'm thinking I'll pick up one of the prewired 510 female connections so I can easily attach my multimeter to it.

And now you have me debating on the Lemo and the Goblin. Seems the goblin is awesome, once it's in stock, but might be a bit harder to build for me starting out because of the smaller deck.

2naphish, You've got me thinking about resistances. My clearos have supposed 2.1 ohm coils, which I'll just believe since I haven't tested them, and while they don't throw clouds, they seem to give decent flavor.

What is the benefit of going sub ohm?

 

[DesmondTheMoonbear]

Ohm's law and I are quite familiar. IN addition to already being familiar with it, I've been reading up on badditude's blog. Pretty well read all of it. Ohm's law is one of those basics, you don't want to have to get into all the various hydrology calculations. Makes Ohm's law look like 2+2. In any case, I'll keep reading any new articles about it just to make sure I didn't miss anything.

I'm thinking I'll pick up one of the prewired 510 female connections so I can easily attach my multimeter to it.

And now you have me debating on the Lemo and the Goblin. Seems the goblin is awesome, once it's in stock, but might be a bit harder to build for me starting out because of the smaller deck.

2naphish, You've got me thinking about resistances. My clearos have supposed 2.1 ohm coils, which I'll just believe since I haven't tested them, and while they don't throw clouds, they seem to give decent flavor.

What is the benefit of going sub ohm?

There are TONS of RDA's that are readily available and probably currently in stock.
A few of my personal favorites are
The Mutation X (massive airflow options for experimenting within the subohm range.
Tugboat V2 (This is gonna be your flavor chaser, but will produce some satisfying ammounts of vapor.
Dark Horse ( another atty with the option of some massive airflow, if you so choose)
Mephisto( absolutely Gargantuan post holes for playing with different guages of wire)
Those are just a few of the hundreds of options for RDA's.

Tanks, id say either the Lemo or the tried and trusty Kayfun lite V2 +. both are great products.

There are several (completely subjective) reasons to go sub-ohm.
1. Increased Flavor (subjectively)
2.increased vapor production (this is subjective in no way shape or form, you can turn yourself into a fog machine {{WITH THE PROPER SAFETY PRECAUTIONS OBSERVED}})
3. increased heat (this is my main reason, im a fan of a hot dense vape.

 

[2naphish]

Ohm's law and I are quite familiar. IN addition to already being familiar with it, I've been reading up on badditude's blog. Pretty well read all of it. Ohm's law is one of those basics, you don't want to have to get into all the various hydrology calculations. Makes Ohm's law look like 2+2. In any case, I'll keep reading any new articles about it just to make sure I didn't miss anything.

I'm thinking I'll pick up one of the prewired 510 female connections so I can easily attach my multimeter to it.

And now you have me debating on the Lemo and the Goblin. Seems the goblin is awesome, once it's in stock, but might be a bit harder to build for me starting out because of the smaller deck.

2naphish, You've got me thinking about resistances. My clearos have supposed 2.1 ohm coils, which I'll just believe since I haven't tested them, and while they don't throw clouds, they seem to give decent flavor.

What is the benefit of going sub ohm?

in a perfect world the drag you take from a 1.0 ohm coil has X amount of flavor and vapor.... 2 X 1.0 OHM coil (.5ohm build) in an RDA doubles the amount of flavor ,throat hit(which i am no longer a fan of) vapor and nicotine. if and when you find yourself wanting more you will move this direction. if everything i have read here is true when you achieve that and want less hassle you will get a REO

 

[RandyF]

Ohm's law and I are quite familiar. IN addition to already being familiar with it, I've been reading up on badditude's blog. Pretty well read all of it. Ohm's law is one of those basics, you don't want to have to get into all the various hydrology calculations. Makes Ohm's law look like 2+2. In any case, I'll keep reading any new articles about it just to make sure I didn't miss anything.

I'm thinking I'll pick up one of the prewired 510 female connections so I can easily attach my multimeter to it.

And now you have me debating on the Lemo and the Goblin. Seems the goblin is awesome, once it's in stock, but might be a bit harder to build for me starting out because of the smaller deck.

2naphish, You've got me thinking about resistances. My clearos have supposed 2.1 ohm coils, which I'll just believe since I haven't tested them, and while they don't throw clouds, they seem to give decent flavor.

What is the benefit of going sub ohm?

Lemo is a good choice to pair with a non-hybrid mech. I have one of mine on my SMPL with a .7 coil and it works great.



On a mech a coil at .7Ω is firing at about 25 watts, where as a coil at 2.1Ω coil will be firing at about 8 watts. For most people, especially those using mechs, 8 watts is not even close to where they want to be. More power leads to more dense vapor, it also leads to a warmer vape, which usually leads to better flavor. Airflow will also play a big factor in both of those as well. Sub-ohm'ing above .5 is generally safe, because you are only drawing 8.5 amps there and most decent batteries are rated for at least 10 amps. 20 amp rated batteries are the ones you want to buy though. You would need to get down to .3Ω to start being concerned with those. .3Ω is only drawing 14 amps, but of you are off on the coil reading and it is actually a .2Ω, you are now drawing 21 amps and there are no ohm readers I trust that much.

 

[thx997303]

I think I just confirmed what you are all saying about resistance. I have three Iclear 16 clearos, all supposedly 2.1 ohm resistance in the coils. One of them gives a much cooler, and less flavorful vape than the other two. So out of curiosity, I pulled out the multimeter and tested their resistance.

The two that work best tested to 2.4 ohms, and the one that doesn't perform as well tested at 3 ohms. So it seems that at least to a point, the lower resistances give more vapor and in some cases better flavor.

I'm glad my three clearos are different colors. Makes it easy to keep them straight. I have a Caramel macchiato 2.4% liquid that is particularly strong and a little harsh on the good two, so I'll just keep that juice in the higher ohm tank. No problem, but kinda nice to put experience to the information.

RandyF, would a .7 or so ohm coil be a good starting point if I was going with the 20 amp rated batteries? If my math is correct, that should draw 6 amps, well within safe. I'm pretty sure at this point I'm either buying the lemo or the goblin. Depends on whether the goblin is in stock when I get paid.

 

[PLANofMAN]

Yes. That will be fine. I routinely run .8 ohm coils on AW 18350 batteries no problem, and the new versions of those are rated at 12 amps. I don't take ten second draws on them either, at most only two or three seconds, which is considered pulse usage, not continuous, and continuous is how most of these batteries are rated. The pulse rating is usually at least 1/3 higher than the continuous rating.

 

[thx997303]

Ok, great. I'm pretty comfortable with most of this by now. Just need to get some experience under my belt.

So, just to make sure I have this right, with dual coils, you basically build two coils at the same length, to get half the resistance overall as the single coil? For example, you build two 1 ohm coils in parallel to get .5 ohms.

Just making sure I have this right.

 

[Susan~S]

So, just to make sure I have this right, with dual coils, you basically build two coils at the same length, to get half the resistance overall as the single coil? For example, you build two 1 ohm coils in parallel to get .5 ohms.

Yes. 2 IDENTICAL coils in every way -- same # wraps, same diameter, etc.

Here are a few links for you regarding building coils and getting the resistance just where you want it:
1. Steam Engine
2. Coil Toy Calculator

Make sure to check your build with an ohm reader or DMM before putting it on your mod and firing it. The Steam Engine is much more than just a coil calculator. I consider it my "All in One" vaping calculator.

 

[thx997303]

Absolutely, always verify everything with these it seems. I hadn't seen the coil toy calculator, but that steam engine is great. I've been playing with it since I posted this thread. I love that it gives you your puffs per charge for the battery.

I'm almost ready to drop some money and begin building. Thanks to everyone for the help.

Because I'm poor, I was looking a little at the Orchid V4, anybody have opinions on this RTA? Should I just not go super cheap and get the Lemo or Goblin?

Edit: I would rather put more money into good batteries and charger if I had to skimp on anything. The Orchid seems to go for less than the lemo by a good bit.

 

[retic1959]

Absolutely, always verify everything with these it seems. I hadn't seen the coil toy calculator, but that steam engine is great. I've been playing with it since I posted this thread. I love that it gives you your puffs per charge for the battery. I'm almost ready to drop some money and begin building. Thanks to everyone for the help. Because I'm poor, I was looking a little at the Orchid V4, anybody have opinions on this RTA? Should I just not go super cheap and get the Lemo or Goblin? Edit: I would rather put more money into good batteries and charger if I had to skimp on anything. The Orchid seems to go for less than the lemo by a good bit.

If I could have only one atty , this would be it . Single or dual coil , tremendous flavor and exceptional quality of build . I'm using mine on a mech , Stingray x and it's a helluva combination , even the lower priced variants are receiving good reviews . I think you'll find what you're looking for here . https://www.fasttech.com/products/1980900

 

[PLANofMAN]

I have two of those. Biggest mistake I ever made in purchasing vaping stuff. I prefer a tight Kayfun style draw, and these were like trying to drink soda through a straw with a dozen holes in it.

Fans of drippers apparently love them though.

Edit: I'm the exception to the rule. I like my draw much more restricted than, say, 90% of vapers.

 

[retic1959]

I have two of those. Biggest mistake I ever made in purchasing vaping stuff. I prefer a tight Kayfun style draw, and these were like trying to drink soda through a straw with a dozen holes in it. Fans of drippers apparently love them though. Edit: I'm the exception to the rule. I like my draw much more restricted than, say, 90% of vapers.

The airflow is adjustable from wide open to fully closed , I find the flavor superior to my Kayfuns and I prefer the native dual coil and through the post build of the Aqua V2 but yup I like my RDA's , particularly my Magma's . Too each their own .

 

[kkay59]

If you like flavor, you will love the Magma. It is easy to build too. I have a Kayfun, and love it. I ordered an Aqua2. I don't have it yet. Good luck with your vaping!