What are we chasing?

[SunguIarity]

Hi all. Newbie here, while waiting for my first mod, I did some research. I bought a Vamo as my first mod hoping to chase RiP Tripper's results with micro/nano coils. I've heard of subohm but I never understood the craze. Well my question is: what is the specs people are chasing for maximum vapor. You need to heat up a coil to vaporize ejuice. The more you can vaporize time wise the better; am I guessing right? So you need more power and more surface area. So why go subohm, you only go 5 wraps or around there, but then you push 50+ watts (if I recall correctly). So you are sacrificing surface area for more heat for more vapor correct? Also, why dual/quad coil, won't that split your watts between the coils (however increasing surface area)? And then there's microcoil, because their touching you get lower ohms and even more surface area. Why chase lower ohms, why not get a thicker wire for less resistance why stick around 28-32 awg, why not less (smaller awg = thicker wires correct?)? Basically my question is, why do people prefer sub ohm, RiP Trippers made a ton of vapor with a non subohm coil in his video. Isn't ohms whats causing the wires to heat up? So why do people prefer pushing tons of power through a lower resistance wire when 18 watts through a microcoil seems just as effective. Which is the future of cloud chasing one might ask. A coil with tons of surface area and low ohms?

Cheers,
Eric

Edit: Hmm, seems people are assuming I want to build subohm, though I'm confident in my knowledge of battery safety and ohms conversions and using a multimeter. My questions are rather theoretical in an attempt to focus on what has potential and fun builds I should pass up on. Basically... scientifically, what will produce more vapor.

 

[tmcase]

Hi all. Newbie here, while waiting for my first mod, I did some research. I bought a Vamo as my first mod hoping to chase RiP Tripper's results with micro/nano coils.

Micro and nano coils can only be accomplished with 28 or lower gauge (thick wire). Thinner wire is too springy and you can't keep the coils touching which is important.

I've heard of subohm but I never understood the craze.

Me either.

Well my question is: what is the specs people are chasing for maximum vapor.

I'm guessing at .4 - .8 ohms.

You need to heat up a coil to vaporize ejuice. The more you can vaporize time wise the better; am I guessing right?

Yes, and this can really only be accomplished if you lung inhale, draw the vapor directly into your lungs rather than your mouth and then inhale.

So you need more power and more surface area. So why go subohm, you only go 5 wraps or around there, but then you push 50+ watts (if I recall correctly).

Not sure about the 5 wraps to get 50 watts. Need more info like are you talking micro coils, what voltage etc.

So you are sacrificing surface area for more heat for more vapor correct?

You need MORE surface area for more vapor.

Also, why dual/quad coil, won't that split your watts between the coils (however increasing surface area)?

Seems like it would.

And then there's microcoil, because their touching you get lower ohms and even more surface area. Why chase lower ohms, why not get a thicker wire for less resistance why stick around 28-32 awg, why not less

Most people use 30 - 32ga wire for non-microcoils with fiber wicks. Microcoils require a thicker ga (28ga) so the wraps will stay together.

(smaller awg = thicker wires correct?)?

Wrong. 28ga is thicker than 36ga.

Basically my question is, why do people prefer sub ohm, RiP Trippers made a ton of vapor with a non subohm coil in his video. Isn't ohms whats causing the wires to heat up? So why do people prefer pushing tons of power through a lower resistance wire when 18 watts through a microcoil seems just as effective. Which is the future of cloud chasing one might ask. A coil with tons of surface area and low ohms?

Sub ohms give a warmer vape and more vapor. If RiP Tripper got tons of vapor with a non sub ohm coil then he was probably lung inhaling and probably using a high VG juice.


Cheers,
Eric

Edit: Hmm, seems people are assuming I want to build subohm, though I'm confident in my knowledge of battery safety and ohms conversions and using a multimeter. My questions are rather theoretical in an attempt to focus on what has potential and fun builds I should pass up on. Basically... scientifically, what will produce more vapor.

I hope this helps some.

 

[steved5600]

What Tmcase said plus this. The Vamo will not go below about 1.3-1.5 ohm and only 15 watts. Most folks use between 6-10 watts. Going to include a Ecig spread sheet I made that does watts calculations among other things. It has 2 chars one for single and one for dual coils. It also two calculators one for single and one for dual. For now just concern yourself with single. .View attachment ecig calculators.xlsx

Oh I don't understand sub ohm either. I can do find within 1.5-4 ohm. But if you ever do you will have to go with either an Mechanical mod or something like the Innokin iTaste 134 which I believe goes as low as .8 ohms.
Hope this helps welcome to vaping. Remember the only stupid question is the one you don't ask.

 

[steved5600]

Oh I do just fine with my bottom feed tanks and RBA's and RDA's with a standard 5-4 wrap or maybe as high as a 6-5 wrap. I only do micro when I dont' have the correct wire and need higher resistance in a small space. The reason I don't like micro is they take longer to heat and cool. IME.