What are your views of the impending flavor ban?

[Catdaddy]

"Not only is this an attack on freedom from the government, but it is also a destruction of our fundamental right to the pursuit of happiness. Say what you will, but choice in our habits is what makes us happy, from our vices to our daily routine."
Don't worry we will have someone to decide everything for us soon enough!
Maybe cigarettes will be outlawed. Just think of the possible economic gains to be made! Now with new and improved slavery (prison labor), all who are caught with tobacco can be imprisoned and our economy will receive a huge boost.
Meanwhile Americans are busy with partisan arguments, while freedom is being carried out the back door.

 

[Sig-man Floyd]

flavour ban doesn't bother me much, easy to flavour juice, there'll just be a much bigger flavour section on the forum.

 

[Darmeen]

flavour ban doesn't bother me much...

and this is the exact response that they want from people...the 'oh, it won't affect me cause I mix my own' or 'it doesn't effect me so I don't worry about it.'

The fact is that RIGHT NOW, you have a choice to buy a flavored nic juice, whether you choose to make that choice or not...they want to remove that choice, that freedom, that you currently enjoy.

I will say to you the same thing that I say to a non-smoker...you may not care about my available choices, about the freedoms I enjoy, and may even be okay with the government limiting my choices with ........ excuses, but don't come to me when they come after your freedoms and choices, when they attack that which is near and dear to you. I am for as many personal freedoms as is possible in a civilized society, but to try and remove choices 'for the children' is ludicrous and is nothing more than a power play to obtain more control over the populace.

To have the non-chalant attitude of 'i don't care, because it doesn't effect me' is the reason we are in this position right now. We should ALWAYS care when personal freedoms are being infringed upon.

 

[Explicit]

The flavor ban is a dumb idea. There are several products in our society that are both harmful and flavored. Booze for example. Are we also expected to sell 100% flavorless alcohol?

 

[Explicit]

The fact is that RIGHT NOW, you have a choice to buy a flavored nic juice, whether you choose to make that choice or not...they want to remove that choice, that freedom, that you currently enjoy.

There is a big difference between choice and freedom. I have the choice to drive 100mph on the sidewalk but this is not a freedom. I agree with you that it is silly to ban flavored nic juice but I don`t think it should be labeled as a freedom, this would open up a can of worms and allow everyone to claim freedoms that they are not legally entitled to. In Canada for example, there was man who was fighting the motorcycle law saying he did not have to wear a helmet because he was protected by his religious freedom to wear a turban. The judge agreed that it was his religious freedom to wear his turban but driving a motorcycle is not a freedom but a privilege.

 

[Vapist]

I find myself unwilling to accept anything from the FDA or any other government committee or whatever. They pushed smokers for about 2 decades, taxed the crap out of us, forced us outside, put every kind of restriction known to man on us, and I'm unwilling to budge an inch with ecigs. I think any flavor should be legal...period.

If they're going to start with the whole "it entices kids" bullcrap, then let's ban video games, porn, TV, movies, cars, and the list goes on. Like others have said, there's tons of things that should be an adult's choice but are no good for kids. They shouldn't be able to legislate morals, or what they think are morals.

When you think about it, most of us are current or hopefully former smokers. What other group has been taxed to death like we have? Shouldn't we OWN the gov by now? Ha, I know that sounds funny. I'm not budging one inch on vapes, and I won't sit by idly and watch them try to squeeze laws by because we LOOK like we're smoking and that pisses off the anti-smoker extremist nannies.

 

[CaptJay]

I found this thread interesting - I come from the UK - never heard of flavoured cigarettes before. Menthol, if you can call that a flavor, I had heard of but all these other flavours - no. When iw as akid and started smoking hte fanciest type you could buy were the 'Russian or Cocktail' ciggies which had colored papers and were about 3 foot long (not really) and thin as anything. They also had black tobacco inside. But as for flavours - no - nada - nothing.
I started smoking on regular normal ciggies - In fact I don't know anyone who didn't.
Perhaps you guys can enlighten me though to another point here - they are banning (or have banned, Im not clear) flavoring for tobacco, but isn't e-cig juice used with Nicotine, which is an EXTRACT of tobacco and not actually tobacco per se? Am I missing something?

 

[ECGuy]

and this is the exact response that they want from people...the 'oh, it won't affect me cause I mix my own' or 'it doesn't effect me so I don't worry about it.'

The fact is that RIGHT NOW, you have a choice to buy a flavored nic juice, whether you choose to make that choice or not...they want to remove that choice, that freedom, that you currently enjoy.

I will say to you the same thing that I say to a non-smoker...you may not care about my available choices, about the freedoms I enjoy, and may even be okay with the government limiting my choices with ........ excuses, but don't come to me when they come after your freedoms and choices, when they attack that which is near and dear to you. I am for as many personal freedoms as is possible in a civilized society, but to try and remove choices 'for the children' is ludicrous and is nothing more than a power play to obtain more control over the populace.

To have the non-chalant attitude of 'i don't care, because it doesn't effect me' is the reason we are in this position right now. We should ALWAYS care when personal freedoms are being infringed upon.

Exactly right. A famous poem that hopefully will bring it home for everyone, still as true today as it was in the 30s and 40s.

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out.