What Can You Do Today!?!

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LaceyUnderall

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Today, think about leaving the forum for a bit and start posting comments on every article that you find regarding the electronic cigarette and how it is so harmful.

Craft your own little statement and comment away.

If you need help debunking this mythical study: Please visit Dr. Siegel's blog blogspot.com and also Illustrated has started an excellent thread here at ECF http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-regarding-fda-press-release-7-22-repost.html. Also, the ECA has posted their response as well at Response To The FDA | Electronic Cigarette Association.

You can certainly reference all of those URL's if you would like and if the particular article you are at does not allow URL's, remove the http:// and in the forum and ECA's case, remove the www. as well. This will allow you to at least provide them with the information to follow for "the other side"

Think about it... if everyone commits to posting on just 5 articles each, what that could do?!? That's a lot of comments.

EDIT: Another thing one could do: We all know there are a multitude of very experienced folks on this forum who are creative in one way or another. Whether you are a writer, an artist, a musician, a comedian, whatever. Create something viral... as Tanner has pointed out with this fine video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YGc4zOqozo

When you are done, let us all know so that we can digg it, link to it, email it, twitter it, blog about it...

Edit #2: Another thing that I would suggest... some have noted that due to this release by the FDA, people are coming up to them on the streets regurgitating what they have been told by the media. As this is a long and painful discussion to have, be prepared with some slips of paper leading to some of the links as noted above. Simply note on your paper that there is another side to the story and educating oneself is key to moving forward a country that focuses on tobacco harm reduction instead of the "quit or die" mentality, which simply does not work.
 
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tannerk

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Today, think about leaving the forum for a bit and start posting comments on every article that you find regarding the electronic cigarette and how it is so harmful.

Lacey,

With all do respect, spamming websites (which is what you are proposing) will accomplish little. As users/suppliers, we are up against monster PR machine and that requires completely different approach.

My suggestion is to use some of the ECA funds to hire a PR firm to get assistance with news networks. Prepare your case, get rid of tin-hat theories and state the facts.

Facts are facts (regardless of FDAs looney-tune findings) and we have a case. E-cig is the BEST alternative with history to prove it. It is also the least harmful of all currently marketed. I'll venture as far as "life-saving" and could potentially save lives of thousands of Americans. You get the drift.

Make it compelling, make it "human", make it controversial, and most importanly make it scientific and you'll get your shot to counter that monster PR campaign, mounted by FDA.
 

LaceyUnderall

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Lacey,

With all do respect, spamming websites (which is what you are proposing) will accomplish little. As users/suppliers, we are up against monster PR machine and that requires completely different approach.

My suggestion is to use some of the ECA funds to hire a PR firm to get assistance with news networks. Prepare your case, get rid of tin-hat theories and state the facts.

Facts are facts (regardless of FDAs looney-tune findings) and we have a case. E-cig is the BEST alternative with history to prove it. It is also the least harmful of all currently marketed. I'll venture as far as "life-saving" and could potentially save lives of thousands of Americans. You get the drift.

Make it compelling, make it "human", make it controversial, and most importanly make it scientific and you'll get your shot to counter that monster PR campaign, mounted by FDA.

Well, posting comments does actually do something. It allows voices to be heard.

The ECA is doing everything that you have noted with the funds that they have. We all tend to ignore the fact that the ECA is literally only 3 months old so there isn't a chest full of donation money to use like that of the NRA or any other association that has been around for decades.

I am merely suggesting that if people are antsy for something to do and don't want to sit around on the forum discussing this over and over, as many PM's to me have suggested, this is something they can do. That's all. The ECA isn't doing this. The ECA is focusing on bigger news outlets, the hill, etc.

We as consumers, as smaller suppliers, we can do this. Right now.
 

tannerk

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Well, posting comments does actually do something. It allows voices to be heard.

I'm not implying that ECA should go on a spending spree (it is a loosing game).

My point is that one carefully crafted response, debunking FDA's report will go much further that 1000 blabbering idiots spamming the web (no pun intended). But that response needs to be crafted by a person with the right kind of experience to have a chance.

Do you ever wonder how some small-time local stories get national attention? Do you honestly think ECA's, NJOY's and DR. something's responses have a chance?

Get someone with PR experience, better yet someone like Chris Brogan to craft a response that has a chance to go viral.

Spamming however is not the way to counter...

PS

Not trying to be a jerk, just being real.
 
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LaceyUnderall

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I'm not implying that ECA should go on a spending spree (it is a loosing game).

My point is that one carefully crafted response, debunking FDA's report will go much further that 1000 blabbering idiots spamming the web (no pun intended). But that response needs to be crafted by a person with the right kind of experience to have a chance.

Do you ever wonder how some small-time local stories get national attention? Do you honestly think ECA's, NJOY's and DR. something's responses have a chance?

Get someone with PR experience, better yet someone like Cris Brogan to craft a response that has a chance to go viral.

Spamming however is not the way to counter...

PS

Not trying to be a jerk, just being real.

No... I know you are not trying to be a jerk. (deep breath has been taken as I am noticing I am being defensive)... And I do not mean to be so defensive. I have just received several PM's/emails from people today asking what they can do being just a consumer, sitting at their computers, chatting on the forum all day... is there something they could be doing? This was merely a suggestion.

You are absolutely right regarding one crafted response... particularly from the ECA's perspective and that is happening. I personally am not writing it (thank god as I openly admit I am too emotional of a person do so), so I am not sure the status.

However, with that said, both NYCSublimeGirl and I do keep everyone here as up to date as possible as soon as we know something.... so as soon as a response is available, as soon as the testing by nJoy is available, believe it or not, the forum members usually know about 5 minutes before the media does, and I know it about 2 minutes before the forum knows it.

My apologies that I made you think you were being a jerk... because you aren't. I am just overly emotional today ;) Lots to do and lots of ideas!
 

tannerk

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You are absolutely right regarding one crafted response... particularly from the ECA's perspective and that is happening. I personally am not writing it (thank god as I openly admit I am too emotional of a person do so), so I am not sure the status.

I tend to speak too harsh sometimes, just wanted to make sure...:)

My advice, for what it's worth, is to stay away from ECA on the response designed to go viral. ECA is party with vested interest by definition. Think of a guitar guy / airline youtube, think of "Top 10 things FDA doesn't want you to know" article, think of anything that Internet will pick up, and that will get you the attention you need.

That's why I was saying to get an "expert" in this kind of thing...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YGc4zOqozo

Before anyone makes smartarse comments, this video was picked up by ALL major news networks and got over a million of hits on youtube...
 
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LaceyUnderall

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I tend to speak too harsh sometimes, just wanted to make sure...:)

My advice, for what it's worth, is to stay away from ECA on the response designed to go viral. ECA is party with vested interest by definition. Think of a guitar guy / airline youtube, think of "Top 10 things FDA doesn't want you to know" article, think of anything that Internet will pick up, and that will get you the attention you need.

That's why I was saying to get an "expert" in this kind of thing...

YouTube - United Breaks Guitars

Very good point. I see what you are saying. Forwarded. :)
 

LaceyUnderall

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Tanner -

We were discussing your idea.... (we being James and I)....

This is something else that consumers can certainly do as well: Get creative. I know there are people on this forum who are crafty things... who are bloggers... who are songwriters... what have you...

I will add it to the OP and take your suggestions to make the OP better.
 

tannerk

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Tanner -

We were discussing your idea.... (we being James and I)....

This is something else that consumers can certainly do as well: Get creative. I know there are people on this forum who are crafty things... who are bloggers... who are songwriters... what have you...

I will add it to the OP and take your suggestions to make the OP better.

Sure, that's a good idea. BigJimW did something like this, but he is too $%#@... (still like him)

While some things could get traction on their own, generally they will not. Expert, however has a built-in audience and contacts that can give it a "boost" if you will. I don't know Chris Brogan personally (other than few exchanges on twitter), but I'll drop him a line to ask for advice...
 

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All of the above is good. Silence will get us nowhere. Except banned.

My problem is the tone of the pro e-cig responses I've been reading. The postings are often ugly, accusatory -- just like postings on this forum. That is a turnoff to the general public, unfamiliar with e-smoking. Be short, tell your story, do NOT attack the FDA or Obama or Big Government or "loss of personal freedom". Do not forward your personal conspiracy theory, that if payoffs occur, then all will be well. Or that it's all about taxes.

Wrong approach and that kind of nonsense will fan flames for quick FDA action. You want public support, because you're not going to get your revolution.

Let's see some reasoned responses below those "deadly as cigarettes" stories. And keep your rants out of public view.
 

tannerk

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All of the above is good. Silence will get us nowhere. Except banned.

My problem is the tone of the pro e-cig responses I've been reading. The postings are often ugly, accusatory -- just like postings on this forum. That is a turnoff to the general public, unfamiliar with e-smoking. Be short, tell your story, do NOT attack the FDA or Obama or Big Government or "loss of personal freedom". Do not forward your personal conspiracy theory, that if payoffs occur, then all will be well. Or that it's all about taxes.

Wrong approach and that kind of nonsense will fan flames for quick FDA action. You want public support, because you're not going to get your revolution.

Let's see some reasoned responses below those "deadly as cigarettes" stories. And keep your rants out of public view.

Yes TB, that is exactly what most do not get. It is not personal, it is about the facts and hard scientific data. While tin-hat theories may help you "feel" better and be good for your ego (when 20 others go "yeah!!!") it accomplishes nothing!
 

LaceyUnderall

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While some things could get traction on their own, generally they will not. Expert, however has a built-in audience and contacts that can give it a "boost" if you will. I don't know Chris Brogan personally (other than few exchanges on twitter), but I'll drop him a line to ask for advice...

I am also doing what I can to see if Dr. Siegel would be interested in appearing on Bill O... John Stewart... Stephen Colbert... something of that nature.

It is high time that he take his words from his blog and sit on a show!
 

tannerk

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I am also doing what I can to see if Dr. Siegel would be interested in appearing on Bill O... John Stewart... Stephen Colbert... something of that nature.

It is high time that he take his words from his blog and sit on a show!

Lacey,

Dr. Seigel would be a perfect candidate (imo) to issue a "challenge" to media on youtube. Quick 1 minute video, briefly stating the facts and asking if they just going to stand by or report? This maybe just a ticket to get some attention.

Not sure how he'd feel about doing that...:-x
 

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Lacey,

Dr. Seigel would be a perfect candidate (imo) to issue a "challenge" to media on youtube. Quick 1 minute video, briefly stating the facts and asking if they just going to stand by or report? This maybe just a ticket to get some attention.

Not sure how he'd feel about doing that...:-x

It is certainly worth a try. The next step would be Dr. Nitkin... David Sweanor... Hell... I am going to ask them all and see who bites :)
 
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