Why? They're both alkaloid stimulants. Both are addictive. Both are toxic in high doses.
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Hi Robin, I am not getting into a back and forth with someone who thinks nicotine is just an ordinary substance. Good luck.
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I'm not offended at all. Why would I be? You're asking a question there is no solid answer to. In other words do aliens exist? Maybe, but there needs to be real evidence. I wonder if patches and gum cause cancer, could be some nice class action lawsuits.
So you vape, enjoy it, understand there are some risks, and understand it is less harmful?
What is your point? Lol.
Thanks azzaman. I agree with you that there are no definite answers, but some members believe there are, namely that vaping is perfectly risk free. BTW nicotine patches helped me quit smoking for nearly nine years. And when I started again, I was lucky enough to find vaping as an alternative.
I'm curious as to why you believe this?
Are you saying that there are more differences than similarities? If so, what are they?
I think the person was arguing that since they are both alkaloids they must be similar. I am not an expert, but in chemistry if a molecule is altered a tiny bit, the resulting change is drastic. Ammonia for example is also an alkaloid (I think), but it is vastly different from coffee.
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Are you joking?
VERY specific answer, NO. From Medical News Today:
Many mistakenly think nicotine causes cancer, rather than the smoke - Medical News Today
Note that the last paragraph says UNAMBIGUOUSLY "THE DRUG ALONE DOES NOT CAUSE CANCER".
You need more proof than this?
Well as someone recovering right now from lung cancer I can tell you that based on what I've learn nicotine is not a carcinogen. It can kill you if you overdosed by not likely at the amounts one uses in e-cigs but then too much water can kill you also. Now my cancer was a direct result of asbestos however the fact I smoked for 50+ years didn't help either. I know several people from my parents to a few friend who never smoke that died of lung cancer however it had metastasized from other cancers into their lungs killing them. Oh and I went to e-cigs the day I was told as neither the patch, gum or pills worked for me while the e-cigs did. I've haven't even had the urge for a cigarette since I started with the e-cigs. I've also gotten back my sense of smell and taste since I have quit. Oh and I now at 0 nicotine from the 24 mg in September of last year.
Too many posts to read,but had you ever looked at a lung xray of a smoker? What you see is caused by tar, not by nicotine! Nicotine has not been listed as the primary cancer causing agent, from what I understand. This is not to say it is not without harm, but it has never been listed as the primary cause of lung cancer as far as I know.
I feel like this is what you wanted to say in the first place. I personally think there is nothing without risk.
Well, WebMD lists Nicotine as a cancer ACCELERATOR. New studies show that if you have existing cancer, it will speed the growth and kill you faster. That's why women with breast cancer who smoke don't seem to recover...
But Nicotine does not CAUSE cancer.
Incontrovertible proof? There's no such thing on the planet. You cannot prove a negative. Prove to me that breathing air doesn't kill you over 100 years. I say air is toxic, and we all die based on how allergic we are to it. Prove it's not.
But Nicotine does not CAUSE cancer.
Incontrovertible proof? There's no such thing on the planet. You cannot prove a negative. Prove to me that breathing air doesn't kill you over 100 years. I say air is toxic, and we all die based on how allergic we are to it. Prove it's not.
There is no doubt that smoking is known to be very dangerous. Vaping, whatever the future may hold, appears to be much less so. For a 40 year PAD smoker the choice is clear. However, if you are young, if you have never smoked, or if you didn't smoke very much or for very long - you would be wise not to vape at all imo. Many of us on this board have tried every other smoking cessation method and failed - which is why we are here. I see vaping as this alone - an efficient smoking cessation method - at least for me. I would never suggest it as a purely recreational activity for anyone else, because - you're right - we don't know the long-term effects. Even at zero nicotine I would think it as taking an unnecessary risk for someone young who has never smoked.
Thank you for pointing this out. I found a similar article by the Cancer Institute that shows although Nicotine is not a carcinogen, it does something to cells that makes them more susceptible to the disease.
NCI Statement on Nicotine Study in January JCI - National Cancer Institute
Thanks, very useful post, just the kind of answer I was looking for. Don't know why it did not show up every time I searched Google.
Radioactive tobacco | Department of Nuclear Engineering
It's common knowledge what the real cause of lung cancer is.
Interesting article, according to which lung cancer is not caused by nicotine or tar but by radiation from fertilizers used in growing tobacco... Yet another confusion added to the list.
I think I will pass on cigarettes. I have enough concerns about vaping as it is.
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Well as I stated in an earlier post here being a lung cancer survivor I will say that vaping was my only way to quit cigarettes as all other methods had failed. Now I started e-cigs on Sept. 9th and by Nov of had removed all nicotine from my mixes without vaping more. I went from 24mg to 18mg to 12mg to 6mg and now 0 trying small bottles of premixed. I then started mixing my one or by zero nic premixed only. My recent pet scan showed my tumors where pretty much gone now so it looks like I have a little longer on this side of the grass due to vaping. I find it pretty much relaxes me as cigarettes did only with a lot less side effects. For example my sense of smell, taste have come back after years of none and my coughing has subsided to rarely now instead of constant. I wouldn't recommend it for someone that hadn't smoked but it sure worked for me as a 50 year PAD smoker.
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