... what do e-cigarettes really do to the body?

[LoveVanilla]

As health experts predict a vaping ban, what do e-cigarettes really do to the body?
by Marie Claire Dorking

Broken Link, www . yahoo . com/news/[DELETE THE GARBAGE] health-experts-predict-vaping-ban-e-cigarettes-really-body-121324754.html

Wow, just wow. Do not believe I have ever witnessed such a collection of half-truth, distortion, and plain falsehoods in a single article. I am truly stunned. How can any journalist lie so blatantly while leaving the evidence in print for everyone to see? Perhaps this is propaganda targeted to serve an agenda? Or is this author being paid by tobacco or pharmaceutical corporations to produce a hit piece on vaporing? Or maybe Marie Claire Dorking is an unrepentant idiot with no concerned for her own integrity and multiple flagrant lies?

Any thoughts? What are we seeing here?

 

[bombastinator]

Well yahoo news is sort of famous for being worthless, and this Marie Claire dorking person (what a Truly unfortunate last name for a woman, wow!) appears to be a lifestyle writer, which doesn’t help the scientific or political validity of this much.
A google for name and subject appears to have turned up this link As health experts predict a vaping ban, what do e-cigarettes really do to the body?

Reading this, it sounds like she read the FDA announcement, did a cursory google regarding vaping dangers, which naturally turned up the Greek and Italian ain’t-ecig stuff, since that was the reason big tobacco commissioned the research to bigin with, and did not follow up further as to how valid, topical, or accurate the actual research was.

Not surprising, she’s not a science writer, she’s a lifestyle writer who know basically nothing about the subject. Ignorant? Probably. Damaging to vaping in general? Possibly. Truthful? Somewhere between sort of and not really.

The particular problem she mentions three different time like it is three different things is that some flavorings can irritate your lungs. The research done was on I believe cinnamon, cloves, and nutmeg. All known lung irritants and rarely to never actually used in ecigs. Anyone remember the tablespoon full of cinnamon challenge? Yeah, big surprise that’s no good for you. Isn’t push-poll science wonderful?
It’s also fairly clear she doesn’t know much about the feud the FDA is in with JUUL atm, and has made sweeping assumptions about the e-cigarette industry in general.

In short, sloppy cursory research by uninformed correspondents makes for bad reporting.

 

[Cool_Breeze]

Broken Link, www . yahoo . com/news/[DELETE THE GARBAGE] health-experts-predict-vaping-ban-e-cigarettes-really-body-121324754.html

Wow, just wow. Do not believe I have ever witnessed such a collection of half-truth, distortion, and plain falsehoods in a single article. I am truly stunned. How can any journalist lie so blatantly while leaving the evidence in print for everyone to see? Perhaps this is propaganda targeted to serve an agenda? Or is this author being paid by tobacco or pharmaceutical corporations to produce a hit piece on vaporing? Or maybe Marie Claire Dorking is an unrepentant idiot with no concerned for her own integrity and multiple flagrant lies?

Any thoughts? What are we seeing here?

I think it is you rather than Ms. Dorking that is coloring the circumstances. I don't think much of what you say are lies are attributable to her. As far as I can tell she is relaying the findings of others and telling us what other entities are saying or doing. I didn't sense anything that seems to have originated from her other than putting together the article. That would seem to be within her realm of tasks as a journalist.

 

[bombastinator]

I think it is you rather than Ms. Dorking that is coloring the circumstances. I don't think much of what you say are lies are attributable to her. As far as I can tell she is relaying the findings of others and telling us what other entities are saying or doing. I didn't sense anything that seems to have originated from her other than putting together the article. That would seem to be within her realm of tasks as a journalist.

I didn’t say they were. I didn’t accuse her of falsehood. I’m saying that the particular research she cited is more a marketing campaign than it is science. It supposed to be the job of a journalist to get the facts. She didn’t seem to do much digging, and as a result the science she treated as fact is actually pretty suspect. Also she apparently did not do the history of the FDA’s statements about e-cigarettes, and as a result the quote is out of context. It’s not evil, just sloppy.

Do I feel it’s a largely inaccurate hatchet job on vaping? Yes, but not because she meant it to be one. Big tobacco knows what it’s doing. The very reason that research was created was to produce results like this.

 

[Cool_Breeze]

I didn’t say they were. I didn’t accuse her of falsehood. I’m saying that the particular research she cited is more a marketing campaign than it is science. It supposed to be the job of a journalist to get the facts. She didn’t seem to do much digging, and as a result the science she treated as fact is actually pretty suspect. Also she apparently did not do the history of the FDA’s statements about e-cigarettes, and as a result the quote is out of context. It’s not evil, just sloppy.

Do I feel it’s a largely inaccurate hatchet job on vaping? Yes, but not because she meant it to be one. Big tobacco knows what it’s doing. The very reason that research was created was to produce results like this.

My post was directed toward LoveVanilla rathern than yourself. That fact might be discerned by my quoting their post above mine.

 

[Rossum]

What are we seeing here?

A writer who is completely out of her depth and really shouldn't be expounding on the subject matter in question:

Marie-Claire Dorking is a freelance writer for Yahoo Style UK, a one-stop destination covering fashion, beauty, wellbeing, parenting, home, travel and more. She specialises in parenting, mental health and wellbeing content and has worked alongside the wider Yahoo Style UK team to cover both the weddings of Meghan Markle and Prince Harry and Princess Eugenie and Jack Brooksbank.

Perhaps a better question would be: What motivated her to write this article? I suppose we'll never know the answer.

 

[bombastinator]

My post was directed toward LoveVanilla rathern than yourself. That fact might be discerned by my quoting their post above mine.

Heh. Point.

 

[Fredman1]

Very ill informed and damn well irresponsible writing I think. She quotes a hypnotherapist of all people, and states that bull to be the truth.
WOW this woman is really doing her surname justice !!!

 

[Cool_Breeze]

Would 2 hours a day of intense reading in ECF for a year be a just sentence for Ms. Dorking?

 

[sonicbomb]

The sad truth is if you throw enough excrement, some of it will stick.

 

[Cool_Breeze]

The sad truth is if you throw enough excrement, some of it will stick.

That's not untypical of the eloquence of statement and insightful thought to be sometimes found in this forum.

 

[dripster]

Would 2 hours a day of intense reading in ECF for a year be a just sentence for Ms. Dorking?

How about 5 whole minutes of listening for the very first time in her life to real scientists who put serious hard effort into these kinds of subjects on a daily basis for a living, politely retracting the article, and offering a sincere apology whilst also admitting that the article contained mostly just a big fat pile of nonsense?

 

[Cool_Breeze]

How about 5 whole minutes of listening for the very first time in her life to real scientists who put serious hard effort into these kinds of subjects on a daily basis for a living, politely retracting the article, and offering a sincere apology whilst also admitting that the article contained mostly just a big fat pile of nonsense?

Perhaps some of the ECF participants who are disappointed with the findings of the studies as reported by Ms. Dorking can provide her with studies that have findings that negate those she mentioned.

Certainly vaping could benefit from more journalists who view the realm in a brighter light. Has someone attempted to take up dialogue with Ms. Dorking or are we just here to rant among the loyal?

 

[sonicbomb]

Has someone attempted to take up dialogue with Ms. Dorking or are we just here to rant among the loyal?

I applaud your sentiment. But in my experience anyone this passionate about something they clearly know nothing about is beyond redemption. Either that or Ms. Dorking has another agenda to fulfil.
See my original statement regarding flying excretia. It doesn't matter how much we rant, or endeavour to educate and enlighten, the constant tide of negativity supported by mock or non-existent science will prevail in the minds of the uneducated public.
As a man in a nice uniform once said, “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.”

 

[Cool_Breeze]

I applaud your sentiment. But in my experience anyone this passionate about something they clearly know nothing about is beyond redemption. Either that or Ms. Dorking has another agenda to fulfil.
See my original statement regarding flying excretia. It doesn't matter how much we rant, or endeavour to educate and enlighten, the constant tide of negativity supported by mock or non-existent science will prevail in the minds of the uneducated public.
As a man in a nice uniform once said, “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.”

If you are accusing Ms. Dorking and / or the studies she references of 'lying,' I beleive the burdon of proof of that alleged matter is your responsibility.

 

[ScottP]

The problem is that in today's world anyone with a keyboard and internet access can be a "journalist" and quality and ethics have suffered because of this.

About half of all Yahoo "articles" consist of a sentence or two stating something happened or someone supposedly said something, then the rest is just a bunch of reactions from Twitter and that is what passes as "journalism". The rest of Yahoo's "articles" are direct copies from other sources that have hired people that can at least write an original article.

 

[Cool_Breeze]

The problem is that in today's world anyone with a keyboard and internet access can be a "journalist" and quality and ethics have suffered because of this.

If Ms. bout half of all Yahoo "articles" consist of a sentence or two stating something happened or someone supposedly said something, then the rest is just a bunch of reactions from Twitter and that is what passes as "journalism". The rest of Yahoo's "articles" are direct copies from other sources that have hired people that can at least write an original article.

If Ms. Dorking's credentials are questionable as you might be suggesting, that's only about half of 'journalism's problem' today. The "quality and ethics" of mainstream news media is suffering as well.

 

[ScottP]

If Ms. Dorking's credentials are questionable as you might be suggesting, that's only about half of 'journalism's problem' today. The "quality and ethics" of mainstream news media is suffering as well.

Yes the other half is catering to the lowest common denominator and using deceptive "click bait" titles in order to generate ad revenue. I agree mainstream media is also more concerned with ratings and ad revenue than with truth and objectivity.

 

[Cool_Breeze]

Yes the other half is catering to the lowest common denominator and using deceptive "click bait" titles in order to generate ad revenue. I agree mainstream media is also more concerned with ratings and ad revenue than with truth and objectivity.

Good points!

 

[LoveVanilla]

Think Rossum nailed; this author looks completely out of her depth. Noted she describes herself as a "muckraker". Looks like she read some articles based on biased pharmacutal / tobacco fund studies and thinks she's seen the light. Doubt she has any clue how widely and directly corporations distort our news, or that most vapers are escapees from the life sucking, money grubbing tenacles of corporate America.
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