What do you guys think of silica and silicosis?

[aceswired]

Eating a bag of McDonald's burgers and fries every day for 20 years then switching to a lean meat, and non-fried food diet and questioning if it is better than the old diet.

Jumping the Grand Canyon on a motorcycle then question the safety of driving your Volvo to the corner store.

Nonsense. It's more like quitting the McDonald's and switching to an exclusive diet of a brand new, untested, vat-grown GMO, whose safety benefits are suspected to be much better, but remain largely unknown due to lack of testing. One might switch believing the new diet to be healthier, but that doesn't mean one shouldn't continue to seek out knowledge about what is a new frontier.

That's the thing with vaping. We're all here because we think it's healthier. But that doesn't mean it's flawless, and there's nothing wrong whatsoever with vetting possible risks associated. Just because it's almost certainly less risky, that doesn't mean we must ignore all risk. The whole "it's better than smoking, so there's no point considering risk factors" is a broken argument.

 

[MorpheusPA]

Between the other thread on silicosis and the fact that Glantz himself hasn't jumped on this bandwagon, I am quite content that silicosis is not an issue.

As am I. Now, but I wasn't when I woke up this morning. Reading this thread, the other, and doing a bit of spot research helped reassure me--and others as well, I'm certain.

No discussion is a bad discussion (except the one you didn't have because you were afraid somebody would call you an ANTZ when you honestly wanted data). Without this thread, I wouldn't've found the other, which is buried (and the search here is awful).

 

[crxess]

That's the thing with vaping. We're all here because we think it's healthier. But that doesn't mean it's flawless, and there's nothing wrong whatsoever with vetting possible risks associated. Just because it's almost certainly less risky, that doesn't mean we must ignore all risk. The whole "it's better than smoking, so there's no point considering risk factors" is a broken argument.

What people are trying to say is not that it should not be a concern - Individually
But there is also BEATING a DEAD horse issues
We all know Nothing in life is 100% so why assume anyone thinks otherwise here?

If Op and others are concerned they are the only ones concerned they are simply fooling themselves. If they are looking for a Platform to shout upon - Go ahead - I just don't need anyone in my face in order to know what I know.

Yes, Vaping silica may be of some concern and only time and research will tell.
Chili is known to be a Deadly killer if it goes bad, yet every year the emergency rooms tend to food poisoning cases because someone forgot when they put it in the Fridge.

Diligence in life must encompass all you encounter and every action you take and you can still be killed in a split second by a mistake. Yours or someone else mistake.

Will the next debate be Chemicals in cotton or Toxins emitted by Stainless mesh?

And lastly the argument - <Not> Broken - is it is less unhealthy than smoking Which in English translation means it is a Healthier( NOT Healthy) choice

 

[irwink]

This is an absurd position. How does wanting to discuss possible effects of vaping make one a "health zealot?" If I question the effects of eating a bag full of McDonald's hamburgers, am I a health zealot who should never eat anything but organic green veggies? Discussing possible side effects does not make one a zealot.

If anything, the zealot is the one who must mock and/or dismiss anyone who has any questions about the safety of vaping. A zealot is one who has little or no tolerance for information that fits outside his world view. Like, you know, a vaper who really really wants to believe that the habit is 100% safe with no possible risk factors.

Absurd is in the eye of the beholder. For example I find your indignation absurd. If one is truly concerned perhaps they shouldn't be vaping and just quit nicotine cold turkey. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe it's written anywhere that one must vape at all much less forever. One can always trust alternatives like Chantix, Nicorette, hypnotism or even go with old fashioned will power. We have choice.

If one fears the minuscule threat of inhaling silica particles then I would expect that person would live in abject fear of all the contaminants in the air that's all around them every minute of every day. I would expect them to eat only organically grown food from a known source. I would expect that they would shun meat from livestock fed all manner of garbage and injected with numerous chemicals to yield more product without dying prematurely in their unnatural confined spaces before maximum yield.

And watch out if you ever wander outside of a reinforced bunker. The sky may fall on you.

Oh, before I forget - one can also use the forum's search function to find all these same old tired topics that have been beaten to death over and over and over again.

 

[ScottP]

Will the next debate be Chemicals in cotton or Toxins emitted by Stainless mesh?

Actually there is already a several hundred page thread here on EFC about hexavalent chromium and stainless steel mesh. Pretty sure that theory was put to rest too.

 

[MorpheusPA]

What people are trying to say is not that it should not be a concern - Individually
But there is also BEATING a DEAD horse issues

Sometimes dead horses really need a good beating. And given the size of the database here, finding said dead horse amongst all the other dead horses can be a trial, if not impossible.

If dead horses bother you, there is a very simple solution. Don't approach them.

We all know Nothing in life is 100% so why assume anyone thinks otherwise here?

Nobody said that. While I'll accept standard proof (p<0.05), I'd really prefer it to be tighter than that when dealing with something I'm inhaling, ingesting, or applying to my skin. Having a discussion does not constitute requiring 100% proof.

If Op and others are concerned they are the only ones concerned they are simply fooling themselves. If they are looking for a Platform to shout upon - Go ahead - I just don't need anyone in my face in order to know what I know.

Yes, that small invisible demons cause disease. There's a reason we research and ask questions--to improve knowledge. There would have been no way to know what's going on otherwise.

Nor will I make the ill-mannered mistake of taking somebody to task for asking a question. Nor others for discussing it--quite without any rancor.

Chili is known to be a Deadly killer if it goes bad, yet every year the emergency rooms tend to food poisoning cases because someone forgot when they put it in the Fridge.

What's your point? People forget things? Yes. Fortunately, however, we know that due to research into the subject and realize that food needs to be refrigerated. Now we only have to deal with the people who forget instead of cases popping up because the subject was never delved into.

Diligence in life must encompass all you encounter and every action you take and you can still be killed in a split second by a mistake. Yours or someone else mistake.

That still doesn't mean I'm going to walk under a scaffold. In this case, it's nice to know that the scaffold probably isn't there. But we wouldn't have known that without having asked the question and done the work.

Will the next debate be Chemicals in cotton or Toxins emitted by Stainless mesh?

And lastly the argument - <Not> Broken - is it is less unhealthy than smoking Which in English translation means it is a Healthier( NOT Healthy) choice

Even I think it's broken, and I've been a teacher. Determination of how healthy it is or is not would change how quickly people reduce nicotine and discontinue use.

If you wish to take a risk without knowledge, fine. I'd rather not.

 

[Lessifer]

The search function here is pretty broken, it used to be much better. Luckily, if you tag e-cigarette-forum onto the end of any google search, you'll find relevant threads here on what you're looking for. For example, I found the thread I linked to earlier by googling "silica danger e-cigarette-forum"

 

[aceswired]

And lastly the argument - <Not> Broken - is it is less unhealthy than smoking Which in English translation means it is a Healthier( NOT Healthy) choice

The argument that states, it's not worth discussing because it's healthier than smoking, is indeed broken. There is no reason not to investigate such things. As you said healthier does not mean entirely healthy. There is a lot we don't know, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with investigating it. There is no reason to be little someone for doing so.

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[aceswired]

Absurd is in the eye of the beholder. For example I find your indignation absurd. If one is truly concerned perhaps they shouldn't be vaping and just quit nicotine cold turkey.

Sigh. Must everything be absolute? Is there no middle ground between having concerns and wanting to learn more, and not doing something entirely. Does it really have to be so black and white?

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[Hill]

Partially true. In the case of the McDonald's burgers and my being a smoker for 25 years, in neither case do I want to switch to something that causes its own problems. Giving up lung cancer (possibly) for silicosis wouldn't, for instance, be a particularly helpful trade.

It's worth taking a ten minute look if that eases my mind on the subject, and it would be worth somebody putting a used wick under the microscope to find out what's going on there.

If I'm making a trade for my health, I'd like that trade to be as equitable in my direction as possible.

Thank You!

 

[Hill]

Sometimes dead horses really need a good beating. And given the size of the database here, finding said dead horse amongst all the other dead horses can be a trial, if not impossible.

If dead horses bother you, there is a very simple solution. Don't approach them.



Nobody said that. While I'll accept standard proof (p<0.05), I'd really prefer it to be tighter than that when dealing with something I'm inhaling, ingesting, or applying to my skin. Having a discussion does not constitute requiring 100% proof.



Yes, that small invisible demons cause disease. There's a reason we research and ask questions--to improve knowledge. There would have been no way to know what's going on otherwise.

Nor will I make the ill-mannered mistake of taking somebody to task for asking a question. Nor others for discussing it--quite without any rancor.



What's your point? People forget things? Yes. Fortunately, however, we know that due to research into the subject and realize that food needs to be refrigerated. Now we only have to deal with the people who forget instead of cases popping up because the subject was never delved into.



That still doesn't mean I'm going to walk under a scaffold. In this case, it's nice to know that the scaffold probably isn't there. But we wouldn't have known that without having asked the question and done the work.

Will the next debate be Chemicals in cotton or Toxins emitted by Stainless mesh?



Even I think it's broken, and I've been a teacher. Determination of how healthy it is or is not would change how quickly people reduce nicotine and discontinue use.

If you wish to take a risk without knowledge, fine. I'd rather not.

And again, Thank You!

 

[Jimi D.]

I did not like the taste and of organic wicks. Metal wicks are a pain in the ..... Ceramic lacked in the wicking department. All I have is silica. Been vaping with it since 2010. I let you know how I feel in another 6 years from now.

 

[Jimi D.]

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[RedChevy79]

I have never really cared for the taste of silica anyway, and I have recently converted to all cotton wicks. Other advantages are, that it is cheaper and easier to come by. I bought a bag of 80 organic cotton balls from CVS for like 3 bucks, and since I can usually get at least 5 wicks out of a ball, that should give me what seems like a lifetime supply.

 

[crxess]

I apologize if anyone got that riled up. I have no issue with discussions.
I do get a little flustered with the same topic being restarted over and over - Not just Health topics - when there have already been many and the Data in question has been worked through.
I do agree the Search engine is horrible and was 10x better when I first joined. No Idea who thought they could fix what wasn't broken, but they failed miserably and never tried to correct from the look of things.
I also do not understand why we have an area where these things could ans should be posted and visited yet they land in the General forum. Some to stay for an hour or two before being moved to the proper place and others sitting for days.

This in particular seems to belong here: Health, Safety and E-Smoking
But I may be mistaken.

As to me Not wanting to know or not caring - Sorry, but my laptop has been on ECF since I joined. I probably read as much or more here than any member as time allows.
I also follow most study links and read whatever information is currently available.
I DIY so I know as much as possible, what is in the e-liquids I use.
I have learned all I can about the Mechanical and functional process of the equipment we use in order to get the most reliable use out of my equipment.
I have studied and understand the differences between Airborne and suspended particulates and transfer.

and yes, my 5 Kayfuns and 2 Rocket tanks use Cotton - NOT silica.

When your in your twenties you may feel you will live forever.
When you cross 60 you become thankful for waking up.

 

[JaxMike]

If we eliminated all threads that had "already been discussed" this thing would drop to about 100 posts.

I'm glad the topic was brought up because I probably would never have discovered it in the archives.

 

[Steam Turbine]

I don't care what anybody says... I don't care what the consensus is; consensus without science gives you a flat earth and a geocentric universe.

I have the exact same concern about silica so I chose to switch to cotton.... That's just a personal choice. It does not mean that silica is bad.... cotton might have it's problems to. I will personally wait for tests specifically targeted at silica before using it.

Again, that's just a personal choice... I am not saying that silica is bad.... It's surely better than cigarettes anyways.

keep on vaping.

 

[Jimi D.]

One thing I did notice with cotton is the shrinkage when vaped. I at least know that the particles are too big to enter the lungs with silica. Just because cotton is the "Fabric of Our Lives" doesn't mean we should be smoking it. Cotton burns away microscopically.