What gives the "wet" factor?

[BLee]

I've made some e-liquids over the last couple days and what I've found is that a couple have a very dry taste to them, even leaving my mouth dry. The flavor is good, it just needs the wetness added somehow. It's the Snickerdoodle and Banana nut bread that are so dry. I'm thinking distilled water helps? Or vodka? (if so how do u mix the vodka) and how much to use? These 2 would be great if they just weren't so dry.

Or does this improve after steeping on things like that? Diy noob here.

 

[Crestan]

I've made some e-liquids over the last couple days and what I've found is that a couple have a very dry taste to them, even leaving my mouth dry. The flavor is good, it just needs the wetness added somehow. It's the Snickerdoodle and Banana nut bread that are so dry. I'm thinking distilled water helps? Or vodka? (if so how do u mix the vodka) and how much to use? These 2 would be great if they just weren't so dry.

Or does this improve after steeping on things like that? Diy noob here.

.5% or less of Inawera Cactus will do the trick. As will marshmallow 1%-2% or possible addition of EM (Ethyl Maltol usually sold as cotton candy flavor).

Cactus is typically used for fruit mixes and the others for bakery or other sweet types however, I've used INA Cactus successfully for these as well. Just remember it's strong stuff, a drop or two per 10 ml is usually enough to do the trick.

I've never added h2o or alcohol to my recipes, not sure the benefit. I realize some do though.
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[atroph]

I normally add 10% DW to my mixes for a little "wetness" and to thin down the juice a tad. I don't really like to add PG as it makes it a little too harsh for me. IMO DW super cheap and it wouldn't hurt to try it in your mix and see how it does.

 

[BLee]

Sooo new here. What do you mean by 10% DW? Do you mix the water with something first and then add or do u mean your total mix has 10% DW in it? Funny, I have vodka on hand(don't drink tho ever) and no DW. lol

I think there is a drop of EM in both those recipes already but that didn't help with dryness at all. Thank you tho for any info. Plan to order marshmallow on next order too, will throw the cactus in there too.

Edit: Found it's like 10ml vg with 1 ml DW added to get my VG thinner. Wish I could now find the vodka measurements cause this can't be the same with vodka as it is with DW right?

 

[dannyv45]

I've made some e-liquids over the last couple days and what I've found is that a couple have a very dry taste to them, even leaving my mouth dry. The flavor is good, it just needs the wetness added somehow. It's the Snickerdoodle and Banana nut bread that are so dry. I'm thinking distilled water helps? Or vodka? (if so how do u mix the vodka) and how much to use? These 2 would be great if they just weren't so dry.

Or does this improve after steeping on things like that? Diy noob here.

1-2% EM or Marshmallow will give it that thickness or wetness.

 

[BLee]

Thanks Danny, I will throw a drop of EM in there as I don't have Marshmallow and see how it goes. One had EM in it but only a drop so one more drop for each may help. Just doing 5ml test batches right now so no worry on messing them up really.

 

[BrotherBob]

Also helps to drink (rehydrate while vaping) water in between vaping. Helps with a dry mouth. I like a mild tea sometimes.
Saline can be used in all flavors to enhance flavor and add moistness, test it a bit before making a big batch. You might want to read up on this.

 

[BLee]

The dry mouth doesn't continue by any means, I only test vaped these two and they r steeping. It just tasted dry when vaped and left a dryness in my mouth on these 2 particular diys I made. It was almost perfect accept for that dryness. lol Go figure

Ok, so i did read saline can help with that dryness in your mouth but does that affect the actual liquid I made to add the "wet" factor. Or does upping say, bavarian cream or vanilla swirl help? which are both in the banana nut bread, it's just, 10% bnb, 2% bav. cream, 2% caramel, 2% vanilla swirl. Tfa on all. Tastes just like banana nut bread but dry. Any suggestions and all welcome.

 

[dannyv45]

Alcohol I don't think is going to make a difference as far as dryness goes. It will only help in thinning the VG. I think a better choice for thinning and aiding in dryness is DW or saline. I would concentrate on getting the base as smooth as possible before doing anything with flavor. Most of the dryness is likely coming from the base. If the base is not smooth then the mix will not be smooth no matter what you do with flavor. buy lots of small bottles of different brands of PG/VG/NIC until you find the best combinations. This usually results in helping you find the best NIC, VG and PG suited to your particular taste. Remember if the product is crap the mix will be crap.

Read my blog on harsh bases.

DON'T BE AFRAID TO EXPERIMENT WITH AND VAPE UNFLAVORED BASES. Doing that will usually result in 80% of your successes.

 

[BLee]

I read all your blogs before I started my diying. I do like the VG and that's all that is in these. VG and flavors. The only one I've added nic to was a fruit one I made and really liked so I made up a batch with 5mg nic and it's still just as good. These r all around 80vg 20pg(from flavorings). The VG is from wizard labs. After reading through some more on the subject of dryness, I think I really need to get that marshmallow, seems that is a nice moistening ingredient as well.

 

[Silent Solution]

I have had this problem as well with some of my mixes. Gonna try the TFA Marshmallow and report back. Thanks guys and gals!

 

[sparkky1]

Adding EM, marshmallow, vodka, more flavoring will not moisten your vapor, what it will do is start to mute your other flavors.
What is your main device that you test flavors with and please tell me the coil type / ohm and wattage / wick used
also what is your mixing ratio pg/vg

 

[anavidfan]

Adding EM, marshmallow, vodka, more flavoring with not moisten your vapor, what it will do is start to mute your other flavors.
What is your main device that you test flavors with and please tell me the coil type / ohm and wattage / wick used

those additives will also gunk up your wicks faster.... I think what you mean is some eliquids have a drier feel to them making your mouth feel dry.

I did notice going to higher VG had a more wet feel and did not have as much of a dry feel. They will all dry your mouth to a point, but to me, it seems more VG( veg glycerin) is not as harsh and less dry.

If you like throat hit, high VG will give you almost no TH=throat hit, and you would have to use a higher wattage and lower resistance ( ohms , example lower than 1.0 ) to get a TH.

I hope that helps. When you are new so many people use initials and shortened terms that I dont even know after almost 5 years.

I think there is a thread in the new vapers section that has an extensive terminology dictionary.

EM= ethyl maltol
PG= polypropylene glycol
VG= vegetable glycerine
TFA= the flavor apprentice
WL= wizards labs
these the only ones I know.

 

[atroph]

DW= distilled water.

For me it adds actual moisture and not really perceived moisture.

It is about $1 a gallon at most grocery stores.

I am not a fan of PG as it makes my juice harsh at a 60/40 VG/PG ratio. The consistency of 60/40 is perfect for my tanks and other non dripper atomizers. Reducing the PG led to lackluster wicking and subsequent dry hits. I found that 10% DW 70VG and 20PG (from flavors) yields a nice thin-ish liquid that wicks very well even at colder temperatures and doesn't affect the flavoring.

Another plus of DW is that it lowers the vaporization point of the juice so you can potentially use less power to get a satisfying vape, or a lower temperature if you are using a TC (temp controlled) mod.

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[BLee]

Adding EM, marshmallow, vodka, more flavoring will not moisten your vapor, what it will do is start to mute your other flavors.
What is your main device that you test flavors with and please tell me the coil type / ohm and wattage / wick used
also what is your mixing ratio pg/vg

I use mutation x v4 (not a clone). Not sure of the size, husband made that coil. It's a macro coil I believe that I was using to test that time, had used the same coil with .... cotton on other e-liquids I have already that I love and had no problem. New wick and cleaned of course before testing anything. I'm going to order some clones of something to do testing with as well, 2 isn't even enough... There are so many coils made for that thing sitting around but I believe I was using one around .25 ohms at around 40 watts, maybe

Mix at around 80vs, 20pg. Pg is all from flavoring. no nic added yet on test batches. Not all recipes turned out bad, just 2 that were dry tasting. Here in the south we would say they needed some butter or something lol Could very well be what these r missing. They just need a bit of moisture somehow added to them, as if a cake or cookie wasn't moist enough.
THe VG used is wizard labs USP Grade

 

[BLee]

DW= distilled water.

For me it adds actual moisture and not really perceived moisture.

It is about $1 a gallon at most grocery stores.

I am not a fan of PG as it makes my juice harsh at a 60/40 VG/PG ratio. The consistency of 60/40 is perfect for my tanks and other non dripper atomizers. Reducing the PG led to lackluster wicking and subsequent dry hits. I found that 10% DW 70VG and 20PG (from flavors) yields a nice thin-ish liquid that wicks very well even at colder temperatures and doesn't affect the flavoring.

Another plus of DW is that it lowers the vaporization point of the juice so you can potentially use less power to get a satisfying vape, or a lower temperature if you are using a TC (temp controlled) mod.

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It is cheap. Making all new batches trying all these different things tho...time consuming. lol But I want that Banana nut bread bad so.

I actually don't use any stock coils any longer. Haven't even been vaping too long but this is my second run at it(I started off all wrong with an epen). Anyway, even my tanks have built coils. usually they are around .5 ohms at 25 watts. Nice flavor and tastes close to dripper too. I do have to try to keep it as high VG as possible though. All PG is from flavoring. The VG is also very sweet on it's own so I don't think that is causing a dryness. The hunt is on still!

 

[AttyPops]

If you just want to do a quick test with a small bottle of juice and DW, but you don't have a gallon of DW around, just boil some tap water and put a lid on it. Get the few drops you need from the condensation inside the lid. Good enough for testing to see if you want to go out and get a gallon later when you combine trips. Or just use tap water for your test.

 

[Cam775]

I'm going to second Inawera Cactus, as it seems to be overlooked. A drop or two adds a nice wet mouth feel. By itself it tastes a little like the Aloe Vera juice you can buy in a big jug, a light flavor that can easily be covered up. Adding just a drop or two doesn't impart the aloe taste but does give a great wet mouthfeel.

The concept is similar to using FA Apple Pie to get a crust taste, the Apple is covered up easily and the crust comes through. INA Cactus, the aloe is covered up and you're left with a moist mouth.

 

[BLee]

I'm going to second Inawera Cactus, as it seems to be overlooked. A drop or two adds a nice wet mouth feel. By itself it tastes a little like the Aloe Vera juice you can buy in a big jug, a light flavor that can easily be covered up. Adding just a drop or two doesn't impart the aloe taste but does give a great wet mouthfeel.

The concept is similar to using FA Apple Pie to get a crust taste, the Apple is covered up easily and the crust comes through. INA Cactus, the aloe is covered up and you're left with a moist mouth.

Gah, I knew I forgot something last night when ordering. I had $70 worth of flavors and I forgot the Cactus! I did get the marshmallow and loads of others. I was looking for "butter" since that was in some recipes I found here and there and of course they don't sell butter flavor any longer...badies in it. The only thing I have been able to find online that is sorta a substitute for butter flavor is sweet cream. Guess I can try a batch with the sweet cream and see if that adds the moisture these cakes and cookies need.

Any familiar with a substitute for "butter" flavoring please let me know. THank you for all of your help here!

 

[Alien Traveler]

For testing water in a juice you do not really need DW. Tap water is OK. Just do not make it a habit, to use tap water. But it should not be really much worse than saline (same thing - salts in water).