FDA What happens if/when

[zoiDman]

You've been beating the dead horse since page 21 - and you can continue all by yourself.

Well... It sounds like you are Not going to say if You believe there should be a 18 Years or Older Age Limit for Individuals to buy e-liquids that Contain Nicotine. Or Not.

Not sure Why? But that is Your Choice.

At Least with Someone Like Jman8 or Andria, I can Respect their position on this Topic. I might Not Agree with them. But I can Respect them for being Willing to Say what they Believe in.

 

[Kent C]

Well... It sounds like you are Not going to say if You believe there should be a 18 Years or Older Age Limit for Individuals to Buy e-liquids that Contain Nicotine. Or Not.

Not sure Why? But that is Your Choice.

At Least with Someone Like Jman8 or Andria, I can Respect their position on this Topic. I might Not Agree with them. But I can Respect them for being Willing to Say what they Believe in.

I used to think that about you. No longer.

 

[zoiDman]

I used to think that about you. No longer.

Kent, I'm Hurt.

At least when someone Asks me a Question on an Issue, I am Willing to Voice my Opinion so People Know where I stand.

BTW - If you Didn't Want to answer a Simple Question, you could have just Said so. LOL

 

[Kent C]

You just haven't been paying attention:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ettes-children-still-rare-5.html#post14198855

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...mer-state-local-lawmakers-2.html#post13585195

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...n-restrict-vaping-unless-19.html#post13398695

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...b1500-assigned-committee-66.html#post13123489

... one where you even commented.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...b1500-assigned-committee-67.html#post13125429
Perhaps the inability to grasp logic extends to memory as well.


http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ing-regulation-proposals-57.html#post12998981

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...port-ash-wales-all-places-2.html#post12705929

there's more.

 

[zoiDman]

Still Aint Seeing it Kent. Some References to Minors Using e-Cigarettes. But can't find a Definitive answer to the Question you Don't seem to want to Answer.

That's Cool. Why don't we just say that you are "Undecided" on the Issue.

 

[zoiDman]

BTW - CAL AB-1500 was an Excellent Example of what Can happen when Enough People Get Active and Stand Up to Unreasonable Legislation.

 

[Kent C]

Still Aint Seeing it Kent.

from the first link:
Originally Posted by pamdis:"And this is exactly why I oppose age restrictions on e-cigs. That, and the fact that under-age smokers should have easier access to e-cigs."

Me: "Totally agree."

Still not seeing it? If there is anyone else 'not seeing it', they should respond here.

I'll be taking up contributions for Zoidman's eye surgery....

 

[Ca Ike]

BTW - CAL AB-1500 was an Excellent Example of what Can happen when Enough People Get Active and Stand Up to Unreasonable Legislation.

I even went to the reps office and demanded a discussion on that one. Didn't get it but educated some of the staff while there[emoji6]

One common ground in this thread is parental responsibility. Far too many "save the children" idiots work to make laws that take away a parents right to decide what's best often making the parents criminals.

I say make purchasing 18 or older but usage, say 15-18 require parental consent. No ban on flavored period and only fall under current regs in place for ingredients

 

[Kent C]

One common ground in this thread is parental responsibility. Far too many "save the children" idiots work to make laws that take away a parents right to decide what's best often making the parents criminals.

If that is what people come away with on this - some good has been done

 

[zoiDman]

from the first link:
Originally Posted by pamdis:"And this is exactly why I oppose age restrictions on e-cigs. That, and the fact that under-age smokers should have easier access to e-cigs."

Me: "Totally agree."

Still not seeing it? If there is anyone else 'not seeing it', they should respond here.

I'll be taking up contributions for Zoidman's eye surgery....

So you Don't believe that there should be Any Age Restrictions on Buying e-Liquids that Contain Nicotine.

Jeeze Kent. That's All you Needed to Say.

BTW - Maybe the Confusion came when you Said that you Agreed with Clive Bates. Because Mr. Bates Does Not Believe that Children should be Able to Buy e-Liquids that Contain Nicotine.

 

[Kent C]

So you Don't believe that there should be Any Age Restrictions on Buying e-Liquids that Contain Nicotine.

Jeeze Kent. That's All you Needed to Say.

BTW - Maybe the Confusion came when you Said that you Agreed with Clive Bates. Because Mr. Bates Does Not Believe that Children should be Able to Buy e-Liquids that Contain Nicotine.

Almost anyone, except you I guess would have known that. As far as the Bates quote - he's divided, imo, from what my original quote from his was. Not an absolute statement, although his one (only one) recommendation was but even then within the context with which he presented it. His other comments tend more toward - why make them suffer for a few years. Dr. F's comments are close to that as well although he goes along with the idea that non-smoking kids shouldn't start, of course.

You 'agree' that parents should choose but do you agree that parents should know about condom use? That's rhetorical - but makes a certain point regarding some....

 

[zoiDman]

I even went to the reps office and demanded a discussion on that one. Didn't get it but educated some of the staff while there[emoji6]

One common ground in this thread is parental responsibility. Far too many "save the children" idiots work to make laws that take away a parents right to decide what's best often making the parents criminals.

I say make purchasing 18 or older but usage, say 15-18 require parental consent. No ban on flavored period and only fall under current regs in place for ingredients

CAL AB-1500 was Great on Many Different Levels.

As to 15-18 with Parental Consent. If a Parent Consents, why don't the Parents just Buy the e-Liquids for their Kids? No One Seems to have a Problem with that? Myself included.

That way a Minor, who Does have parental consent, can Not Buy an e-Liquid for another Minor who does Not have Parental Consent.

 

[zoiDman]

...

You 'agree' that parents should choose but do you agree that parents should know about condom use? That's rhetorical - but makes a certain point regarding some....

Why Shouldn't a Parent Know about what a Condom Does? For that Matter, why Shouldn't Anyone who is Sexually Active know what a Condom Does?

I wonder if Clive Bates has an Opinion on if Children should be able to Buy Condoms?

 

[Kent C]

Why Shouldn't a Parent Know about what a Condom Does? For that Matter, why Shouldn't Anyone who is Sexually Active know what a Condom Does?

I wonder if Clive Bates has an Opinion on if Children should be able to Buy Condoms?

'Condom use' by their kids, of course and of course you knew that. What? Don't want to answer?

Please don't.. it's rhetorical remember.

 

[Cle440]

If I ever hear about the upcoming possibility in Ohio of banning or regulations, I will be sure to spend a couple hundred on necessities .

 

[zoiDman]

If I ever hear about the upcoming possibility in Ohio of banning or regulations, I will be sure to spend a couple hundred on necessities .

I haven't heard of much going on in Ohio Lately.

And this was about the Only Thing that Came Up when I did a Google Search...

Ohio Youth Banned From Purchasing E-Cigarettes | Senator John Eklund (R) | The Ohio Senate

 

[AndriaD]

Almost anyone, except you I guess would have known that. As far as the Bates quote - he's divided, imo, from what my original quote from his was. Not an absolute statement, although his one (only one) recommendation was but even then within the context with which he presented it. His other comments tend more toward - why make them suffer for a few years. Dr. F's comments are close to that as well although he goes along with the idea that non-smoking kids shouldn't start, of course.

You 'agree' that parents should choose but do you agree that parents should know about condom use? That's rhetorical - but makes a certain point regarding some....

When our son turned 16, I made my husband put condoms in the bathroom drawer, and speak to our son about their use -- that we understood that kids want to play and experiment, but SHOULD NOT pay with their lives for their very natural curiosity and burgeoning hormones. (nor pay with the rest of their lives for starting new lives when they're not prepared for that!)

Our son never smoked before he was 18, he couldn't stand the smell (it was stress and peer pressure in the Navy that got him to start, I'm pretty sure), but if e-cigs had been available then, I'd have put THEM in the bathroom drawer too!

Andria

 

[Tangaroav]

I am surprised that some here support selling e-cigs to minors on the, (unproven and hotly debated), pretext that nicotine/smoke are more dangerous for teen-smokers than nicotine/e-liquid mix. This proposal is a non-starter for 99.999% of the population and rightly so.

IMO, If your kid is smoking and you propose to solve HIS\HER/YOUR problem by allowing free sale of e-liquid to all, is at best, distorted logic.

Potentially make MY kid a vaper to help YOUR kid get rid of His/Her smoking habit ! Anyone who would propose this to our lawmakers would be laugh out of the discussion.

I also agree that this king of logic feeds the ANTZ. I mean, anyone proposing this only confirms to all concerned that we really need regulations .

Seriously, if your kid is smoking there are many venues available to help him/her without opening this Pandora's box.

 

[stevegmu]

I can see the news story now. Children outside a middle school on video vaping- faces blurred, of course. Then the undercover follow up at local vape shops set up to sell children e-cigs...

 

[Davey59]

Better just make it all against the law, because they WILL FIND away to get it. We all know how well that has worked. Now that is flawed logic.

Am I for teen smoking? hell no, I was one. Am I for teen vaping? not really but it in my flawed logic it I am certain it is a better path.

Do I want it against the law to sell to minors? sure but it is ineffective and what I think should not dictate or impact anybody else. I personally do not want anything against "the law" that does not DIRECTLY infringe on another's rights. I mean anything. Careful what you think is a right because you are probably wrong. The point is, many folks believe for some odd reason that what other people choose to do or how they live is somehow any of their business.
Sorry if the responsibility for raising and controlling your own children is such a cross to bare, you and yours are not supposed to be my problem. It takes a village? only a village idiot believes that.

Most cases people will come up with for all sorts of restrictions on others is because they mistakenly feel it effects them in a negative way. Oh noes they are going to cost me tax money with their dangerous behavior! as they ride off on their motorcycle or climb a mountain................. on and on and on. Not only is that a double standard but they are blaming the wrong people. Blame the nanny state overbearing government that has successfully made you responsible for it and empowered themselves to make us all pay dearly. Without actually recognizing the problem you can never hope to solve it.