There are age restrictions for a lot of products and activities- which doesn't mean one is living in a nanny state, even in the free country of the Czech Republic...
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My kid smokes {OTHER STUFF}, so lets give all kids wine as it is less dangerous. Problem solved ?
No, MY underage kid smokes {OTHER STUFF} says the neighbor. So he proposes the legalization of {OTHER STUFF} for all as it is less dangerous than {OTHER STUFF}.
{OTHER STUFF}, wine and e-liquids are now sold in the school cafeteria. This has solved both kid's problems. Everyone is, (really), happy and the government is out of our lives.
No, MY underage kid smokes {OTHER STUFF} says the neighbor. So he proposes the legalization of {OTHER STUFF} for all as it is less dangerous than {OTHER STUFF}.
{OTHER STUFF}, wine and e-liquids are now sold in the school cafeteria. This has solved both kid's problems. Everyone is, (really), happy and the government is out of our lives.
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“If teens, like adult smokers, are switching to e-cigarettes,” he said, “that's not a public health problem; that's a public health solution.”
Electronic cigarettes are not a big hit with teens | TribLIVE
Electronic cigarettes are not a big hit with teens | TribLIVE
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What bothers me about this anti-nicotine kick. Is that is has been shown to be effective in self-medicating for mental health, has low side-effects, and we have now found an enjoyable method of delivery that is fairly safe. Almost all of the FDA approved medications for treating metal health have more severe and numerous side-effects. Going off of Paxil was harder than nicotine any day. I had to call in to work my third day quitting Paxil cold turkey and have my wife go get it refilled immediately as I could not stand straight. This never happened with the cancer sticks.
What bothers me about this anti-nicotine kick. Is that is has been shown to be effective in self-medicating for mental health, has low side-effects, and we have now found an enjoyable method of delivery that is fairly safe. Almost all of the FDA approved medications for treating metal health have more severe and numerous side-effects. Going off of Paxil was harder than nicotine any day. I had to call in to work my third day quitting Paxil cold turkey and have my wife go get it refilled immediately as I could not stand straight. This never happened with the cancer sticks.
Sorry you kid is a {MODERATED} but {OTHER STUFF} is less dangerous than wine, you got that one backwards.
The rest is just silly, for instance I said get government (nanny) out of our lives and you put government in charge of distribution of illicit substances and doling them out to the kids at school to illustrate what point?
Looks to me like you did not really read my post or somehow were offended and are just knee jerking something out.
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Yes, but teens spend a lot of time on YouTube. Little Johnny wants to be like dirty diaper/dishrag man, goes to a shady B&M and gets set up with a .003 coil and re-wrapped eBay batteries and a cheap mech, and blows half his face off. What will Congress do then?
You misunderstood me. I was not commenting on your post . But since you bring it up , ....
You are probably right about wine and probably wrong about everything else. 
.... Imo that is 
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Were having a Hard Enough Time keeping things going for Adults.
Selling e-Liquids that contain Nicotine to Children? Piece of Cake.
BTW - You get 50 Extra Style Points for Tying in Dishrag Man in your Post.
Kids I've vaped around want to see smoke rings - seems like theres a lot of smoke tricks videos that aren't clouds but fancy smokerings and such. Many are hookah but some are vaporizers.
My nephew thinks its cool how your voice changes when you talk while exhaling VG-heavy vapor - I hadn't noticed until he brought it up.
This worries me and I don't vape around them - but when they come to where I'm vaping I don't stop. When they ask if its bad for you or proclaim smoking will kill you I tell them its not smoke but its only good for people who quit smoking.
When I started smoking, one pack of cigs lasted a week. I mostly smoked right after getting off a crowded bus or train. I'd expect that a kid with a new, light, habit could quit easier than someone smoking many a day. If a parent wants to use E-cigs to help their kid quit - great, control when and where they use it and what nic level and how much juice and wean them. The laws I've seen have been Sale bans not possession - tho I suppose there are possession bans too.
I'd expect kids get busted for vaping in school and there are principles and deans with a bunch of ecigs in a drawer - be interesting to see what models, flavors, nic-levels etc.
My nephew thinks its cool how your voice changes when you talk while exhaling VG-heavy vapor - I hadn't noticed until he brought it up.
This worries me and I don't vape around them - but when they come to where I'm vaping I don't stop. When they ask if its bad for you or proclaim smoking will kill you I tell them its not smoke but its only good for people who quit smoking.
When I started smoking, one pack of cigs lasted a week. I mostly smoked right after getting off a crowded bus or train. I'd expect that a kid with a new, light, habit could quit easier than someone smoking many a day. If a parent wants to use E-cigs to help their kid quit - great, control when and where they use it and what nic level and how much juice and wean them. The laws I've seen have been Sale bans not possession - tho I suppose there are possession bans too.
I'd expect kids get busted for vaping in school and there are principles and deans with a bunch of ecigs in a drawer - be interesting to see what models, flavors, nic-levels etc.
The nicotine in the smoke is no more harmful than the nicotine in vapor. It's the MAOIs that would be most damaging to young people's brain neurochemistry -- nevermind all those other toxins that are harmful to anyone. MAOIs inhibit the action of monoamine oxidase, which destroys neurotransmitters in the brain, specifically serotonin, dopamine, and norepinephrine, which are necessary for proper brain functioning and emotional balance. If the brains of the young people grow accustomed to the presence of MAOIs while they are still developing, their neurochemistry never fully develops, and leaves them in need of similar chemicals from an external source -- such as cigarettes, for instance -- for the rest of their lives, and withdrawal of those chemicals -- such as in smoking cessation -- leaves them potentially very vulnerable to every sort of emotional disorder imaginable, and even such disorders as Parkinson's disease, which depends on proper levels of dopamine.
Andria
Andria, You obviously are well versed in this subject. This worst case scenario does not give credence to allowing free access to e-liquids and e-cig to underage kids. We have to protect ALL our kids against addiction, not incite them by providing easy access.
IMO, much like underage drinking or driving, underage smoking should not be allowed. And it is not.
I see nothing wrong with an Doctor giving a prescription to a teen to use nicotine patches or ecig in a controlled nicotine program to help quit smoking. I also would approve of a parent providing his addicted kid an ecig to get him off smoking. But, it should be in a very controlled manner and with a plan to quit vaping .
IMO, much like underage drinking or driving, underage smoking should not be allowed. And it is not.
I see nothing wrong with an Doctor giving a prescription to a teen to use nicotine patches or ecig in a controlled nicotine program to help quit smoking. I also would approve of a parent providing his addicted kid an ecig to get him off smoking. But, it should be in a very controlled manner and with a plan to quit vaping .
The drug language in here needs to stop please.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ation/255864-why-we-dont-allow-drug-talk.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ation/255864-why-we-dont-allow-drug-talk.html
My point is that it would be ***FAR*** better if they chose vaping *instead* of *ever* smoking, since there's no way to know how much exposure to the MAOIs would be damaging.
What you call "addiction" (to the nicotine in vaping) is actually *dependence*, and it is very different than allowing a child to consume alcohol or other substances which *in themselves* are dangerous. Most kids drink sodas that have caffeine, some probably even drink coffee, or those sweet mocha-latte-cino things, filled with caffeine. Consuming a moderate amount of nicotine would be no worse for them, but who's to say that they wouldn't rather vape 0mg, once they get a sick belly from their intolerance to nicotine? They'd still have the "cool factor," yet not be consuming any of that "demon nicotine" you seem so worried about. But just the fact of vaping at all could feasibly prevent them from ever having the desire to smoke an actual cigarette.
You say "no kids should ever smoke," and with that, I agree 100%, yet some still do. But to say "no kids should ever vape" says that you have never wrestled with the clinical depression demon yourself -- not "feeling blue", but CLINICAL DEPRESSION -- as I have done for upwards of 40 yrs. Would I trade those 40 yrs of fighting depression, for the opportunity to have vaped instead of smoked, when I was 13? YOU BET YOUR SWEET BIPPY I WOULD!
Andria
I sympathize with your plight and agree that nicotine is way over rated when it comes to its potential dangers for moderate human consumption. The problem is, what is moderate to me is not be the same as what it is moderate to others. I vape at 6mg/ml, many vape at 24 mg/ml. That's 4 times more nicotine and still moderate and acceptable to many vapers.
'' Addiction is a state that is characterized by compulsive drug and or alcohol use or compulsive engagement in rewarding behavior, despite adverse consequences''. I think this describes very well how most smokers and yes, most vapers too, behave.
As I mentionned, I am all for underage vaping when prescribed in a treatment program or in a parent controlled therapy.
Btw, even in a therapy program I would exclude e-liquids like Suicide bunny, ( independently tested at 10x the NIOSH-recommended daily dosage of acetyl propionyl), and others like it.
'' Addiction is a state that is characterized by compulsive drug and or alcohol use or compulsive engagement in rewarding behavior, despite adverse consequences''. I think this describes very well how most smokers and yes, most vapers too, behave.
As I mentionned, I am all for underage vaping when prescribed in a treatment program or in a parent controlled therapy.
Btw, even in a therapy program I would exclude e-liquids like Suicide bunny, ( independently tested at 10x the NIOSH-recommended daily dosage of acetyl propionyl), and others like it.
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The problem with the definition above is that there is no evidence of "adverse consequences" for vaping.
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