What happens if you discharge a battery too low?

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I was happily vaping along on my vv woodville when it just stopped working. Normally I pop my batts out a few times and check them and try to catch them around 3.5v to recharge. These metered out at 2.6v and 2.3v(AW IMRs). Does letting them get this low just shorten the life of the battery or does it make them potentially dangerous?
 

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You can put it on the charger and see if it will charge back up. It can shorten the battery life or make the voltage drop more rapid. Just watch it and see if it reaches the proper voltage after charging. Then mark it and see if it drops voltage quicker.

I have done that before and just charged them and no problems.
 

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I've not gotten down to 2.3V but did once see a 2.5V reading. I quickly got it on the charger and haven't noticed an issue. The vv woodvil is definitely going to be harder to guage as to battery condition.
With a grand, I always know when I dip even slightly below 3.7V but the better conductivity of the copper wiring in the non-VV woodvil make over-discharging more of an issue. I only use my 18490 Woodvil in the morning with my coffee vape now so I always check it prior to use. With the VV Woodvil, I'd probably check it ever 8 hours of use. From what I've read over the years, recharging a fully-cycled or broken-in IMR/LI battery at ~3.8V will typically extend it's service life beyond the 500 cycles they specify. Brew

I was happily vaping along on my vv woodville when it just stopped working. Normally I pop my batts out a few times and check them and try to catch them around 3.5v to recharge. These metered out at 2.6v and 2.3v(AW IMRs). Does letting them get this low just shorten the life of the battery or does it make them potentially dangerous?
 
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I posted this on another thread, but it is pertinent here...

"The AW IMRs (from what I understand) are rated for about 500 cycles. That is, 500 drains and recharge cycles before they should die. Typically, with rechargeable batteries, especially deep cycle RV/Marine/Solar batteries, this is very dependent on the SOC (state of charge) they are drained to. If it is a lower SoC, for example they are drained to their cutoff voltage, they may not last a full 500 cycles.

If it is a high SoC, they they may very well last far beyond 500 cycles. I would expect to get closer to 750 or maybe even 1000 cycles if I only drained the battery down to 80% SoC instead of letting it run down to cutoff voltage. While you end up charging them more often, because of the larger increase in the number cycles you can put them through, you can get more life out of them in the big picture.

Of course this is somewhat moot when you are talking about a $10 battery, but it is critical when you are talking a large, expensive lead-acid battery that costs $400+ each in a large battery bank.

The point is that the idea of extending the life of most rechargeable batteries is viable by discharging them less and recharging more often verse discharging them more and recharging them less. "
 

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One reason you shouldn't keep pushing the button on your reo when there is no vapor....the battery will still continue to discharge. I've done this plenty of times- when I was busy and not really paying attention...it's like sucking on a cigar with no lit end... How many have done this? It's not good for the batteries....
 

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Don't the VV Woodvilles have the NotCigs circuitry? I thought their stuff had over discharge protection.

Or is it just the VV Grands that have the Notcigs stuff?

Or am I just wrong all together?

That was my understanding...the VV woodvilles use Notcigs circuitry. With that said my Buzzpro has that circuitry in it and when the batts get to the point where they can no longer supply the voltage you are asking for they just stop firing, vs draining the batt.
 

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That was my understanding...the VV woodvilles use Notcigs circuitry. With that said my Buzzpro has that circuitry in it and when the batts get to the point where they can no longer supply the voltage you are asking for they just stop firing, vs draining the batt.

I think the over discharge protection is a built in part of the buzzpro itself and not the vv chip. I could be wrong on that, but my understanding was that in the vv woods you could run the batteries all the way down. That's why I try to meter them throughout usage. Although obviously I don't always remember to do so.
 

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This is why I will be running mine @5.5 v when I get it @ 2.5 ohm. The chip will shut down when the batteries can no longer supply the designated voltage + a margin I don't know. Normally step down regulators shave off about one volt from the useable voltage. That way I get high voltage vaping, in a mod that I feel is safe to stack batteries in, and I don't run my batteries down too far. :thumbs:


-Sam
 

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IMR batteries are different than protected Li-ion (ICR) batteries. If you discharge protected Li-ion below 2.8V the protection circuitry on the battery itself may or may not allow the battery to be recharged depending on circuit design.

My E-Power 14650 was designed to run with protected Li-ion batteries in mind. This mod has circuitry that flashes a low voltage signal when battery voltage hits 3.2V. Very soon after that the power switch on the E-Power 14650 disables itself and will not operate until a freshly charged battery is installed.
 

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Originally Posted by BuzzKill
Hi all the VV Reos will use the same controller as the Buzz Pro so the specs will be the same , we did a slight redesign of the format to fit in Robs design but the function and specs will be the same . here is a basic run down.

Specs:

15 watts maximum power output
Wheel adjustable voltage dial
Improved battery life 2 x 's avg. , we have a new controller that is MUCH more efficeint. avg. 12 hrs per charge
batteries (16340 type)
3-3 to 5.5 volt adjustment
Reverse battery protection
Over current protection
Over temp. protection

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/reos-mods/224539-vv-reos.html#post4150861

Originally Posted by BuzzKill
THere is NO cutoff circuit built into the controller , it goes until the batts die

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/reos-mods/260459-vv-reos-part-ii-75.html#post5527512

Originally Posted by kazz63758
Buzzkill replied to my PM today and told me what he posted above about a cutoff. I then asked him if there had been any issues with battery longevity, loss of charge capacity, etc. with them being discharged that completely. He promptly replied that they have had no issues in that respect reported.

I'd like to thank him for taking the time and having the patience to answer my questions.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/reos-mods/260459-vv-reos-part-ii-75.html#post5527647

Originally Posted by BuzzKill
If you all have any questions just PM me about them NO PROBLEM !

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/reos-mods/260459-vv-reos-part-ii-75.html#post5528479
 
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