What Hardware/Device are you useing ?

[Johnny2puffs]

How far can one go with improvements to ecigs?
10watts max it seems and above that it just burns the liquid and tastes lousy. So my 3.7v bat with 1.5ohm atty with direct dripping on the coil is max. I can't puff long on this as it becomes harsh. Go back to 1.5ohm carto again. Direct dripping is stronger than carto.This is 9watts at 2.5amps.
Now people want 6v ???. On a 1.5ohm atty will give you 24watts at 4amps.
There is a reason why Provari and the other mods at 6v have 2.5amp cut off. This is for safety. Put a 1.5ohm atty there and either the circuit will fry or the bat will explode at 4amps. 1.5ohm is almost a dead short.
A VV bat will not work at 4.1v on a 1.5ohm atty. It sees it as a short and switch off. So forget about the higher voltage stuff.
The 9watts at 2.5amps is as good as it gets. That is 3.7v with 1.5ohm or 6v with 2.4ohm. No higher voltage OR no lower ohms on each of the 2 mentioned.
Now how bout an atty with a larger surface area coil. More liquid on more coil will produce more vapour. 1.5ohm at 3.7v and a larger coil area is what is needed. This, I think will be next on the improvement.

 

[Johnny2puffs]

To make my long story short:
A 3.7v bat with 1.5ohm atty is EXACTLY the same as 6v with 2.4ohm atty. Same wattage or juiles heat generated. Both draw 2.5amps.
I just saw that the larger area coil has already been made. AJ Dual. It uses 2*510 DC Cartos into 1 box. Stacks more vapour but you have to vape from 2 mouth pieces at once.

 

[Johnny2puffs]

Geeze man, I'm the only one here again.
I must say that since I got the 510 cartos 2 weeks ago from Jo, they have improved substantially. More vapour and TH with time it seems. The pops and crackles it makes now just improves the vaping.

 

[JO GSA]

I told you....and you are not alone......

Soak those attys regularly in surgical spirits to clean them out, and if that doesent work any more give them some Hydrogen Peroxide, and then soak them with the surgical spirits......they will be like new ones after you did it....

Ps.... maybe we must put in a order to Avid Vaper....there is nothing in my hole collection like my HH.357 1.5 ohm attys.... I just whent through them all again.... Buyway, Cisco....you name them..... the only high end attys I must still try is the ikenvape attys

 

[JO GSA]

Ohhhh Johnny....now de bridge that same atty..... you will thank me later....

 

[Johnny2puffs]

What atty are you talking about Jo?

 

[JO GSA]

Anny atty just vape warmer and better when you de bridge it. I de bridged one of my buyway 1.5 attys last night and now it's a close second to the HH .357. Before I de bridged it it tasted bland and almost usles in comparrison to my .357, but now that I debridged it, I am keeping it as a spare in my vaping "purse" that goes out with me every day.

 

[Johnny2puffs]

Now for my next bat problem. Why do you think a car has so many relays?
A relay for every dam thing. All those things on your steering wheel like flickers, low, dim, wipers all activate relays. You can hear them, especially the flickers.
It is because the switch that you activate cannot take the amps that a relay can. So you activate a low amp switch that in turn activates a high amp relay to turn on the lights etc. This is to protect those small switches.
I am quite surprised that my Leo bat button can handle 2.5amps without a relay. How long it will last at this amperage??
A relay is far too big to fit into a e-cig for those guys that want 4 amps at 6v. Never mind the circuit needed for that.
Forget about the main board guys stating that they use their 6v Provari's and other stuff with 1.5ohm atty's with success.
They are fooling themselves as the bat will not allow that. Just too high amps for the switch and for the bat internal resistance. It will either not activate or will be restricted by the circuits 2.5amps max allowed as protection.
So just be happy with your 3.7V bat. This is as good as it gets.

 

[mwa102464]

3.7V isnt as good as it gets, seems to me " Darwin " is about as good as it gets right now, you may want to look into this unit as it's electronics truly are pretty incredible how it monitors the Atty's internal resistance and the ability to adjust the Watts is just pretty darn awesome. Evolves new Kick unit should also be pretty amazing and available soon. Check it out Johnny2puffs, until you use one you wont know but once you do you wont go back to a regular 3.7V single Batt.

 

[Johnny2puffs]

Yes, I have seen new units come out and and recalled. I still stick with my post. You will need an ecig as big as a can of beer to handle the power needed for 4amps.
Talking about beer, I'm out for today.

 

[Nomoreash]

Yes, I have seen new units come out and and recalled. I still stick with my post. You will need an ecig as big as a can of beer to handle the power needed for 4amps.
Talking about beer, I'm out for today.

Who said anything about 4 amps? Lower voltage and ohms pull more amps than higher voltage and ohms.

3.7v with a 1.7ohm atty is just over 8 watts. 4.9v with a 3ohm atty is also just over 8 watts and pulls less current/amps doing it.

 

[Johnny2puffs]

Who said anything about 4 amps? Lower voltage and ohms pull more amps than higher voltage and ohms.

3.7v with a 1.7ohm atty is just over 8 watts. 4.9v with a 3ohm atty is also just over 8 watts and pulls less current/amps doing it.

You are correct. I know that as well. Your 1'st example pulls 2.17A and the other 1.6A. Not much diffs between the current compared to the large diffs in V and resistance. Yet the power is the same.
Some guys on the main board want more power. So it must use higher amps. The fact is that you cannot use 6v and 1.5ohm as one guy says he is using. 4A is FAAAR too much for the switch and bat. You will require a relay for that and a low voltage circuit plus a higher voltage circuit. Even then the bat will fail. 10W is as high as it can go but how long will it last?
Show me 1 that is higher than 11W and is smaller than my beer mug.
Who wants to vape burned tar anyway.
That guy bragging here is using a Provari at 6v on a 1.5ohm atty??? Nonsense. The Provari will not allow it.

 

[Johnny2puffs]

Anny atty just vape warmer and better when you de bridge it. I de bridged one of my buyway 1.5 attys last night and now it's a close second to the HH .357. Before I de bridged it it tasted bland and almost usles in comparrison to my .357, but now that I debridged it, I am keeping it as a spare in my vaping "purse" that goes out with me every day.

So I take it that the HH 357 is your favourite? If so, where did you get these?

 

[JO GSA]

Avid Vaper my friend.... but if you are willing to wait a little bit I think I am going to put in another order....I just love the HH .357's at 1.5 ohms, there is realy nothing like them in my hole vaping stach of attys and cartos.

 

[Sicarius]

I have run a custom 1.5 ohm atty at both 5v and 7v (17w & 33w) through a 10A momentary switch and it is not pretty.

It's like the first time you fired up a cigar and tried to smoke it like a cigarette.

It literally burns the liquid so taste is shocking and the vapour production is so intense that the wick cannot sustain the vaporization and ends up being scorched in the process. Also runs through liquid faster than a hungry Genesis.

 

[Johnny2puffs]

I see they are now making switches rated at 4 to 5 amps. This was unheard of a few years ago. But I still think it is for larger ones and not for the micro switches as on the smaller ecigs like the Leo.
Also, I am getting very frustrated with MV and VZ as they state that they accept Debit Cards but my orders won't go through.
I hate Credit Cards.

 

[JO GSA]

Ok.... so I had a good 2 weeks to asses the VMod XL

My honest opinion.....

It is good value for money, I had to learn this bottom feeder all over again, coming from a Reo mini. nothing wrong with the XL, but it's not a Reo.

Why do I say that ????

1)Changing Batt and botteles takes more time then with my Reo.
2)Build quality is not bad, but its not thick aircraft alluminuim.
3) I think there is not enough air going throug the XL's cone to the atty/carto, hence you will have to keep adjusting and fiddling with the attys to get that perfect draw and feed.
4)The feeding system takes some getting use to, but once you understand it, its all good.

Having sayd all that, I will keep the XL for my daily vaping because....
1) The 18650 Batt's give me almost a half days vaping power each, I vape 4.5ml - 6ml a day with 2 ohm atty/carto
2) The 9 ml feeding bottole last me more then one day, so less changes.
3) Its a awsome looking mod.
4) I had no leaks on my XL
5) The XL prefer cartos over high end attys, I think its because of its cone and draw system, because I had cisco's on it, HH .357, 306's, 510's etc.....and I kept on going back to a boge 2ohm carto.... it just had the more consistant vape then any atty I have tried on it.

Hope this gives all my SA vaping buds better insight on the VMod XL.

 

[Fabsta]

Thanks for your opinion on the vmod xl. I'm still deciding and so far it seems that many people are happy with it.

 

[Johnny2puffs]

Attys and cartos have become very strange to me. I dumped my 3ohm for the 1.9ohm as the 3ohm had no taste or TH.
Then the Smok 510 1.9 ohm became too harsh so I dug out the old 3ohm attys and and was surprised at the TH and taste.
This must be the liquid. Even though I have tried to keep to the same mixture.

 

[Johnny2puffs]

Hi Jo. Are you still enjoying the Vmod-XL or do you prefer the Reo?
Looking at getting something new now.