Said it many times before...give em an inch and they'll take a mile. Being open to "some" regulations is just opening the door for them to go as far as they want.
What is all of this stuff with the fda?
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Said it many times before...give em an inch and they'll take a mile. Being open to "some" regulations is just opening the door for them to go as far as they want.
So I can freeze the juice? Is there a shelf life once I buy it? Do most people reach a point where they are happy with what they use or is this something like tattoos; once get one you have to get more? Right now I am so happy with what I'm using, (KangerTech mini and a Vice Vaporfi), or will I get bored with that and have to move on to something else? Also, can you tell me how often do I need to change coils, and
...oops, don't know what happened, there. And how do I get the "I quit" banner. Thanks a bunch everyone for your patience
The big winner here aside from big government nanny state are the tobacco companies who will see cigarette sales skyrocket in the next few years most likely. I agree with the prior postings that this is actually not so much a nanny state thing although that's partly it, it's really all about money and corporations' agenda. Big pharma has to protect their lackeys in Washington, as do the tobacco companies. Tobacco is an established, major multi national conglamerate, with huge cultural roots in the US, and they were not going to let vaping become the industry that they themselves are. It wasn't ever going to happen.
I have gotten good results when I tested placing a bottle fresh from the mail right into the freezer. After a year, it was like it came fresh from the mail.
Some like to keep trying new things and keep buying other stuff. Some, like me, have found that what works and keeps me off of smoking and I don't need or want to keep searching.
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I would suggest dual using. I do. I'm essentially telling you to give vaping a try. If you're like (at least) 30% of other vapers, you'll try both and eliminate smoking after awhile. Or if you're like me and some others, you'll do both and have one you prefer. Me, that's vaping. But I like moderately smoking. A lot. Especially given the politics. I like knowing I'm the FDA's nightmare and very vocal about it.
But we can use more soldiers in the upcoming fight. And smokers are people I'll have no issue openly recruiting. IMO, age won't make a difference on this recruiting for what's at stake. FDA wants to play hardball, let's play.
That's my inclination, dual use. Right now I smoke all the time. Vaping would make life easier in that I could vape easier while at work and such without having the smell. I do enjoy smoking cigarettes, but they aren't that pracitcal when stuck in an office all day. I could even sneak in a restroom and have a vape which would be great!
I kind of get off too smoking cigarettes, I enjoy it, always have always will, knowing that maybe I'm pissing off some nanny state-er's doing so. Also I love smoking because if I'm ever in a dull boring conversation or want to get away from someone I can's stand, I can sneak off and have a smoke break lol.
I want to take up vaping because I will be able to vape indoors without the freaking world ending can just pop in a bathroom have a vape and voila nobody will know. But I doubt I'll ever stop smoking cigarettes I enjoy them.
I kind of get off too smoking cigarettes, I enjoy it, always have always will, knowing that maybe I'm pissing off some nanny state-er's doing so. Also I love smoking because if I'm ever in a dull boring conversation or want to get away from someone I can's stand, I can sneak off and have a smoke break lol.
I want to take up vaping because I will be able to vape indoors without the freaking world ending can just pop in a bathroom have a vape and voila nobody will know. But I doubt I'll ever stop smoking cigarettes I enjoy them.
I agree with all this. It is not time to panic.
I'm very okay with advocating preparation, but you'd have to be naive to think that future underground operators are not also preparing. And now they have great incentive to prepare for an underground market. Unless FDA does a 180, some form of underground market will exist. Unless FDA approves product for market of all 15 million flavors that exist today, an underground market will exist.
The part where I feel there is a disconnect right now in the vaping community is the idea of preparing to just take care of one's own self. IMO, if we all had that attitude, it would be suicidal over the longterm. But I don't see all of us going in that direction, as capitalism will still be in play 2 years from now and 20 years from now. The underground market works entirely on capitalism, albeit it in a darker way where things are easily distorted.
I'd like to say more on all this, but it's challenging. I just think it will be the way we organize, even if that market is inherently disorganized. That it will (likely) exist will continue to send the message to everyone that there is a demand and it doesn't care to participate in the open market. At the very least, I do think vapers need to understand that under a draconian system where a black market exists, if you are only making product for yourself, you could rather easily be labeled as - possible distributor if you have what looks like way more than one person could possibly use over the next year or so. Might want to keep that in mind going forward. I'd suggest just realizing you are part of the underground market and it behooves you to not stay isolated when there's a war being waged. Obviously though, some will conclude otherwise, thinking they will be able to stay off the radar and manage a stockpile that may be similar to same stockpile a low level black market operator has.
What we're seeing is a fairly new authoritarian form of capitalism, similar to what they have in China. It's been slowly building for years, It's multi-national, corporate, authoritarian capitalism. The system is broken, people don't care anymore, and so the faceless bureaucrats are content to run it and capitalize. The government thinks they know what's best for people, and people think anyone wearing a doctor's coat is telling the absolute truth, so Big Pharma capitalizes on that and they and the tobacco companies know that is vaping is stifled, more people will buy cigarettes, more people will see the doctor, and therefore more money is to be made.
My dual using self appreciates all that you've said. But I'm thinking there are many ex-smoking vapers who have claimed the last thing you said when they were only a smoker, considering vaping. I highly prefer vaping, and could easily stop smoking right now. I've done it cold turkey enough times to know I don't even need to continue vaping to stop smoking. So, not really an issue for me. I've just never been able to achieve consistency in moderate smoking like I can as a vaper. I really appreciate that.
I can see myself stopping both at some point, but I actually think it would work against anti-tobacco types. I'd become so vocal and have no hangups to hold me back that IMO they better hope I continue to use one or the other for them to rest as comfortably as they do now. Might help us politically if I stopped using both given how vocal I anticipate I would become, but I really enjoy using nicotine and feel I already make them uncomfortable by being a dual user who has no issues challenging them (or anyone) on what they think they know about smoking data. I enjoy getting into that debate with anyone and mopping the floor with their lack of either basic reasoning or scientific prowess.
You can freeze juice. Most people just freeze the nicotine, and use fresh VG, PG and flavors. What deteriorates nicotine is oxygen and light, so keep the bottles filled and in a cold dark place. Freezer works. Either decant it into small bottles, or use plastic bottles you can squeeze the air out of.
A lot of people will buy new gear any time they see some-- guilty-- and others stick with Old Skool stuff until they can't get parts any more. An electronically controlled mod will work for 6 months - 5 years before the electronics go out. Might want to buy a backup for your Kanger. A good idea is to buy a top quality (or a mess of low quality) mechanical mods, which might last forever. If you want a decent electronic mod, take a look at an RX200. With the new firmware upgrade, they'll run up to 250 watts. That should hold you, no matter where you go in the future. They're $40 each, so get several and you'll be set for a while.
Coils will last 2-6 weeks each, depending on a number of factors. The solution there is learning to build your own and switching from coil tanks to RTA/RDAs. Wire and wick will not be regulated so long as you don't tell anybody it's vape gear. Similarly batteries, they're widely used. One other thing you might want to lay in is some atomizers, tanks and drippers, and maybe some spare glass and o-rings.
So that's it: think about a mech mod and some spare toppers. Maybe lay in some spare electronic mods if you like them. Consider learning how to build coils and make juice, and lay in some supplies therefor.
And don't panic. This is going to be a problem, but I don't think it will be insurmountable.
I still enjoy smoking, actually I love it. I've never tried to quit, but I find vaping so appealing, and practical in so many ways. Yea I know the health risks of smoking, but we're all going to die eventually. If I do take up vaping, maybe it will be dual use, maybe exclusively vaping, not sure until I try. But probably would be dual use, vaping at work, and smoking at home.
I hope you take up vaping. I've read about 3 of your posts now where you saying you might take it up. I'm guessing you want to see how all this shakes out before you invest money in it, but I'd say don't wait. Worst case scenario, you invest in some gear, 2 years from now you can't use it because the product has been wiped off the face of the earth. You then continue smoking, enjoy life.
But realistic scenario, I think, is you dual use for as long as that makes sense to you, and you likely appreciate vaping a lot, and find all the many workarounds to obtaining products you enjoy with vaping for the next 50 years. During this period, at some point, while still smoking, you'll see those costs go way down. I spend around $10 a month on smoking, and I enjoy smoking cigarettes. How long does $10 on smoking get you? A couple of days?
Good points, I can go to my local vape shop and get a basic Ego starter for like 40 bucks, not bad, I did take some test vapes and loved it, the flavor was strawberry something or other. The guy had to keep reminding me to hold the button down when I inhaled. But I am tentatively planning on getting a starter pen when my first payday hits. Smoking cigs is pretty expensive, I pay about 6 bucks a pack. Yea I guess the unknown about the regulations and stuff held me back from taking the vape plunge but why not right.
I highly recommend checking out the Ego AIO, much better than most of the older style 'pen kits' and couldn't be more easy to use. Also sells for less than $20 which is ridiculous but amazing.
eGo AIO Kit by JoyeTech $16.99
I'll have to check that out. I still am unsure if to get my first vape at a b&m or just order online.
You could always just try and hold it in your hands to see how they feel in your grip. Check out what all is involved by talking to the sales person. Just say you will think about it, then purchase from a website. I know, some people think that is taking advantage of someones time....... Just a thought....
Ryan, I've noticed you start threads, but never come back to participate in them or thank the people who answer your questions.
why?
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