What is the Future of eLiquids?
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I think we're all worried about that to the point that I've read about a lot of people stocking up on gear and DIY supplies.
I don't get it. It's clearly helped SOOO many people stop smoking.
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I don't get it. It's clearly helped SOOO many people stop smoking.
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My guess is there will eventually be fairly strict regulations around ingerdients, manufacturing, mixing, labeling, packaging, etc. but those are just my thoughts. I really hope it is done in such a way that it doesn't squash the little guys but it seems fairly inevitable to me.
I know I'll get some haters with this comment but I for one would welcome some enforcement. I've watched some vids that show shops making their own juice to sell as their house brand, none of the people doing the mixing are even wearing gloves let alone any other sanitary gear. What if that guy who is bragging about how drunk he got last night, is covered in tats and piercings, just sneezed into his hands or didn't wash his hands after using the bathroom? What if one of the people has TB, Hep A or B, or some other dreadful contageous disease and is mixing that juice?
Not trying to raise concerns but that's why I stopped buying house juice. I still buy from brands I know run bigger productions and I assume (hope really) that they have much more strict policies in place but until there are some regulations we will just never know.
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I know I'll get some haters with this comment but I for one would welcome some enforcement. I've watched some vids that show shops making their own juice to sell as their house brand, none of the people doing the mixing are even wearing gloves let alone any other sanitary gear. What if that guy who is bragging about how drunk he got last night, is covered in tats and piercings, just sneezed into his hands or didn't wash his hands after using the bathroom? What if one of the people has TB, Hep A or B, or some other dreadful contageous disease and is mixing that juice?
Not trying to raise concerns but that's why I stopped buying house juice. I still buy from brands I know run bigger productions and I assume (hope really) that they have much more strict policies in place but until there are some regulations we will just never know.
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You have a point! What else can I say...My fear however is that they will use that fear to impose regulations most of the big juice suppliers out there will not be able to match so the big Corp can come in and take over the market.
I agree, certainly is a catch 22 situation. On one hand I'd love to see at least a little health regulation which I don't think is asking a lot, at least put on a pair of gloves and maybe a cheap mask for goodness sakes. On the other hand I don't want the regs to push the smaller "reputable" juicers out of business. Honestly if it knocks off the bottom feeders I couldn't care less.
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It's inevitable that it will eventually become regulated to some degree.
Politically speaking, what needs to happen is there needs to be a large movement towards funding a pro-ecig political lobby group. That way rather than facing the individual shop owner or unorganized locals city, state, and even the federal government would have to contend with a well organized political group representing enough voters to swing an election.
If we, as a group, can demonstrate that we can swing tight elections on state and national levels, then the political parties are going to have to work with us, because they know that if they don't then their opponent just might.
That said, I think we too are going to have to be willing to make a few concessions here. To me, it's almost unbelievable that ecig liquid production and mixing for commercial sale is entirely unregulated. Sure, we would all like to believe the places we shop have nice, clean rooms with employees who know what they're doing and maintain a healthy environment for mixing. We would all like to believe that the ingredients going in to these liquids that we buy are safe.
But are they?
Is the PG or VG in your liquids FDA approved, or are they cheap Chinese industrial grade blends? Where did the nicotine solution originally come from? A clean laboratory type environment, or are they out in some Chinese or Indian jungle throwing tons of tobacco into a giant vat and breaking it down with xylene, a carcinogen? Do we even know?
I'm really not bothered about some regulation in regards to the quality and safety of the liquids. I think we should at LEAST have the same amount of regulation as a restaurant that prepares and serves food.
What I am VERY worried about is the banning of public use without evidence of any public safety issue, and the over-taxation.
Ultimately we're going to have to find a way to challenge the bans in court to stop those, and we need an organized lobby group that represents enough voters to cost politicians their jobs to stop the taxation.
Politically speaking, what needs to happen is there needs to be a large movement towards funding a pro-ecig political lobby group. That way rather than facing the individual shop owner or unorganized locals city, state, and even the federal government would have to contend with a well organized political group representing enough voters to swing an election.
If we, as a group, can demonstrate that we can swing tight elections on state and national levels, then the political parties are going to have to work with us, because they know that if they don't then their opponent just might.
That said, I think we too are going to have to be willing to make a few concessions here. To me, it's almost unbelievable that ecig liquid production and mixing for commercial sale is entirely unregulated. Sure, we would all like to believe the places we shop have nice, clean rooms with employees who know what they're doing and maintain a healthy environment for mixing. We would all like to believe that the ingredients going in to these liquids that we buy are safe.
But are they?
Is the PG or VG in your liquids FDA approved, or are they cheap Chinese industrial grade blends? Where did the nicotine solution originally come from? A clean laboratory type environment, or are they out in some Chinese or Indian jungle throwing tons of tobacco into a giant vat and breaking it down with xylene, a carcinogen? Do we even know?
I'm really not bothered about some regulation in regards to the quality and safety of the liquids. I think we should at LEAST have the same amount of regulation as a restaurant that prepares and serves food.
What I am VERY worried about is the banning of public use without evidence of any public safety issue, and the over-taxation.
Ultimately we're going to have to find a way to challenge the bans in court to stop those, and we need an organized lobby group that represents enough voters to cost politicians their jobs to stop the taxation.
what we can do for now is keeping a close eye on whats in the works and act before they set things in stone. This goes for both US / EU .. what happens in one will effect the other.
We have folks writing laws that have no preception of what vaping is, probably folks that never smoked either. So the big lobby bucks will dictate what laws pass. The end result will be that e-liquid will come in little cotton filled metal tubes that hold 1ml of juice, and cost $6.95 each.
I don't see why mixing your e-juice should carry any more regulation than cooking your food. It might not end up working that way, but it should.
I believe it is all about money. The government is going to tax the hell out of it. I will be stocking up on diy supplies pretty soon.
I think you all make very valid points. My big question is WHY? It's an over a billion dollar a year industry and I can't understand why the government hasn't dipped their hands into it. Not that I'm complaining, I like ordering from MBV and other places that make this very affordable. I'm honestly just puzzled as to why.
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Why? It's all about money or control. Usually both. I'm quite certain that there are those in power that would settle for nothing less than complete control over every aspect of your daily life and your paycheck.
Let me tell you a real story. You can chose not to believe it, but it did happen that way anyway.
In the 50s, 60s or thereabouts the Italian Mafia was making good money by smuggling some Philip Morris brands in Italy. The smokes were counterfeit and the mafia was making good money. After 10-15 years this let the brands being even more established in Italy than any advertising would have hoped to achieve. Philip Morris decided the brands were now well established in Italy and started chasing the mafiosos. They killed a few and the rest they put in jail. Some of the top Philip Morris management is ex CIA (no, its not a conspiracy theory). This is how really big firms operate. I am not saying they will kill eliquid producers
What I am saying is that when it comes to drugs, weapons and prostitution big players will do ANYTHING to eliminate the competition. In this situation, they can and I think they will throw billions to make it impossible for anyone BUT them be in this business!
I have worked for the tobacco industry before and I know very well how they operate!
In the 50s, 60s or thereabouts the Italian Mafia was making good money by smuggling some Philip Morris brands in Italy. The smokes were counterfeit and the mafia was making good money. After 10-15 years this let the brands being even more established in Italy than any advertising would have hoped to achieve. Philip Morris decided the brands were now well established in Italy and started chasing the mafiosos. They killed a few and the rest they put in jail. Some of the top Philip Morris management is ex CIA (no, its not a conspiracy theory). This is how really big firms operate. I am not saying they will kill eliquid producers
What I am saying is that when it comes to drugs, weapons and prostitution big players will do ANYTHING to eliminate the competition. In this situation, they can and I think they will throw billions to make it impossible for anyone BUT them be in this business! I have worked for the tobacco industry before and I know very well how they operate!
Question: ----------- How many times has the food you cook been inspected before you brought it home?
The issue is $. Big tobacco can and has purchased ecig companies. This captures and replaces their shrinking market. However, this revenue isn't taxed nor is it provided under the settlement. States have gotten used to the income and sunk it into their general fund or sold portions to finance bonds, some of which are junk rated now. They have to replace the revenue. Taxing is the only means. Regulation is just a route to raise revenue and make vape replace lost dollars from the reduced cig users.
I do believe some regulation needs to take place for these. But not to the degree that Big Pharma & Big Tobacco will want it or demand to have it taken too. & It seems that they are starting to spread their propaganda as well. I'm not really a conspiracy theorist type of person. But well, if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, ya know.
Yeah... This is where the Debate Lays.
Not if there is Going to be Regulations (there Is), but how Much Regulations.
As it stands Right Now, you can put Anything you want into Nicotine Base you acquired from Any Source and sell it as an "e-Liquid". And you don't even have to say what Is Supposed to be in it. Or where the Ingredients it came from.
So if I want to put Rogaine or a "Low Testosterone" hormone into my Retail e-Liquids, no Problem. You also don't have to do any Independent or In-House Test to insure that what goes into those 30ml Bottle is Free of Contaminants.
I think Most people would like to Know what they are Filling Up there Clearos and RBA's with. And would Not have a Problem with Health and Safety Regulations similar to what are Present in the Food Service and Preparation Industry.
But what happens when Regulations are used to Give one portion of a Market a Competitive Advantage over the Rest of the Market? Can Regulations be Adopted that Ensure Product "Safety" to the Consumer but Still allows for Small Companies to Comply?
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