What next, after eGo-T?

[John D in CT]

alien -

As many others here have said, IMO your slam-dunk no-brainer is to get two joyetech eGo-C Twists, 650mah (the 1000's are too damn long). variable voltage between 3.2 - 4.8 volts will give you a very good vape on any of the three atomizer heads that come with the 3.5ml Vivi Nova Version 2.5 tank/atomizer, which I also recommend.

You could also get some 2.0 ohm SINGLE COIL cartomizers just for kicks, and I also REALLY like the Smoktech 3.5ml DCT tank fitted with the 2.0 single coil cartomizers, "XL" size, in stainless steel. If you get them unpunched and then punch or slot your own, you can save a fair amount of $$.

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Joyetech eGo-C Twist: Joye eGo-C Twist Variable Voltage 650mAh Battery

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...sion/302432-why-ego-c-twist-game-changer.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ego-type-models/304652-dual-single-coil-twist.html

 

[John D in CT]

Why variable voltage?

(Cut-and-paste):
Variable voltage lets you be Goldilocks. She wanted her porridge just the right temperature. To get a variety of resistances of coils to just the right temperature, you need to be able to control the amount of volts that your device is delivering to it (please use only single coil cartomizers or atomizers unless you have a compelling reason to use two or more coils - you'll save battery power, and IMO get a better vape to boot). Different juices also want different amounts of heat, and there are variations among "nominal" resistances of any given device that variable voltage will allow you to compensate for.

This can all be demonstrated by a very simple formula that is part of "Ohm's Law":

Volts time volts divided by resistance (rated in "ohms") = watts (heat) at/in the coil.

Consider the three heads in the Vivi Nova; 1.8, 2.4, and 2.8 ohms:

With a Joyetech eGo-C Twist, or any other variable voltage device, you can achieve any wattage you need to get a good vape, even if the "actual" resistance of the "heads" varies from the "nominal" resistance of the heads, which it almost always does.

I'd say that most people vape at between 4 and 8 watts per coil. Let's see how 6 watts can be produced with a Joyetech eGo-C Twist (or any other variable voltage device) with any of those three atomizer heads.

3.28 volts x 3.28 volts / 1.8 ohms = 6 watts
3.79 volts x 3.79 volts / 2.4 ohms = 6 watts
4.09 volts x 4.09 volts / 2.8 ohms = 6 watts

A constant voltage device obviously cannot do this.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/319239-kgo-advice-needed.html

 

[Prometheus72]

question for you and others who have an eGo-T Do you often get the liquid coming up through the tank into your mouth? I have only used one tank so far but damn...it happens all the time. does this happen with something like a Vivi? I've ordered some new tanks but I REALLY hope that this will be the end to the juice getting through the mouth piece. It's kinda ruining my vaping and damn does it taste terrible!

 

[Jixchel]

question for you and others who have an eGo-T Do you often get the liquid coming up through the tank into your mouth? I have only used one tank so far but damn...it happens all the time. does this happen with something like a Vivi? I've ordered some new tanks but I REALLY hope that this will be the end to the juice getting through the mouth piece. It's kinda ruining my vaping and damn does it taste terrible!

Juice coming up through the mouthpiece is usually due to flooding the atomizer on the ego-t. To help prevent, you may need silicon end caps for the tank, to form a tighter seal around the spike that pierces the tank. You may need a slightly thicker juice, 100% pg would leak like a sieve for me, 70/30 pg/vg to 50/50 blend would work best for me, anything over 50/50 and you are risking it being too thick and dry hits. Also when you draw on the mouthpiece it needs to be a soft,long, slow draw, kind of like drinking with a straw. A quick, fast draw on an ego-t will force too much liquid into the atomizer which can cause it flood and come up through the mouthpiece. There is a learning curve to the ego-t and ego-c, but once you get to know the device they work quite well in my opinion.

 

[wv2win]

Hey, I just let people know what reality is. Why pay for something you're never going to use? Besides that, who wants to push buttons 1000 times to find a sweet spot when you can dial it up with a Twist in a nanosecond? I love everyone, but I think Provaris are stupid. The worst part, which I haven't even gotten to yet, is that the Provari will find the resistance of your atomizer and if it doesn't like the voltage you're at it will give you an error code. The Lavatube is even worse because it will do the same thing but instead of the error code it will just lower the voltage without your knowledge. So here you are, trying to vape it up and you keep jacking the voltage up, pressing 1000 buttons, and you think something's happening but it's not. That's the placebo effect. If you like dual or triple coil cartos the Lavatube won't let you vape them above 3.6 volts......................

I agree with your comments about the limitations of these models, but it is also true of the Twist. The Twist only has a 2.5 amp switch regulator and will not allow you to vape on the most popular dual coils. There are several VV models that have switch regulators in the 4 amp range that do not limit what you can vape on them. The sad thing is that the difference in cost of a 2.5 amp switch regulator and a 4 amp switch regulator is pennies. There is no reason to have these limitations on any model PV other than "planned obselescence" to get the user to waste their money on the next, lastest model.

 

[ShogaNinja]

I agree with your comments about the limitations of these models, but it is also true of the Twist. The Twist only has a 2.5 amp switch regulator and will not allow you to vape on the most popular dual coils. There are several VV models that have switch regulators in the 4 amp range that do not limit what you can vape on them. The sad thing is that the difference in cost of a 2.5 amp switch regulator and a 4 amp switch regulator is pennies. There is no reason to have these limitations on any model PV other than "planned obselescence" to get the user to waste their money on the next, lastest model.

I was not aware of that fact. I don't use dual coils anyway, but it's good to know. How do you figure stuff like this out? I think dual/triple coils are pretty much a scam to make people think they are getting something more than they are, a placebo effect, if you will. A good running single coil at the right resistance and voltage is going to be all one needs.

I swear. I'm waiting for someone to get like a 100ml bottle of ejuice and just put it in a theatrical fogging machine and just hook that up to a gas mask...

 

[wv2win]

I was not aware of that fact. I don't use dual coils anyway, but it's good to know. How do you figure stuff like this out? I think dual/triple coils are pretty much a scam to make people think they are getting something more than they are, a placebo effect, if you will. A good running single coil at the right resistance and voltage is going to be all one needs.

I swear. I'm waiting for someone to get like a 100ml bottle of ejuice and just put it in a theatrical fogging machine and just hook that up to a gas mask...

I can't agree with you on dual coils being a scam. Too many people use them and prefer them. I'm not saying they are better, per se, than a single coil. I find they do provide a warmer, fuller vape, but only in the 4.5+ volt range. When used in the 3.7 volt range, they are just average and no better than single coil cartos and in some instances, not as good. Many experienced vapers who use them have made the same comments that DCC's perform much better at the 4.5+ volt range. Those who prefer a cold vape in the 3.7 volt range or lower probably would find little benefit to DCC's at higher volt levels.

 

[John D in CT]

I was not aware of that fact. I don't use dual coils anyway, but it's good to know. How do you figure stuff like this out? I think dual/triple coils are pretty much a scam to make people think they are getting something more than they are, a placebo effect, if you will. A good running single coil at the right resistance and voltage is going to be all one needs.

Let me start by saying that WV really, really knows his stuff.

Although I always say that the Twist wants single coils, and that I think the best vape might arguably come from a single coil, at the optimal wattage (heat) - and the higher the voltage (and therefore the larger the coil area) to achieve a given wattage, the better - I'll also say that dual coils probably do have a valuable place, and very likely do give a vape that a lot of people rightly prefer. Maybe I'll be one of them when I get more experience.

I really do think the Twist wants ONLY single coils between 2 and 3 ohms; 1.7's in a pinch.

As far as "how to figure it out" - these are the most important points IMO.

First, the basic "volts x volts / ohms = watts"

Then, the fact that for dual coils of the same resistance as a single coil, the wattage is divided between the two coils, requiring more (but not necessarily twice) the power. Not so important if you have an 2000mah 18650 battery in a ProVari, or two 18350's in a VMax, but more important in a Twist 650mah.

I do believe that you don't need exactly twice the total watts on a dual coil to get the same heat per coil as half the wattage on a single coil, since the two coils help each other out a little, being so close together. It might be something like 6 watts to one coil relates to about 10-11 watts to a dual coil. I saw something to that effect on PBusardo's site, but I haven't been able to find it again.

Then: amps = watts / the amount of volts required to create them.

Example:

4.8v x 4.8v / 3 ohm single coil = 7.68 watts

7.68 watts / 4.8 volts = 1.6 amps; well within the 2.5 amp limit.

To get about the same warmth with a 1.5 ohm dual coil on a Twist, it might look like -

4.24v x 4.24v / 1.5 = 12 watts

12 watts / 4.24 volts = 2.83 amps; no good.

I think the Twist just has a 2.5 amp limit because it's all you need with a single coil, and with a current maximum storage capacity of 1000mah (in a VERY long PV), it's not really intended to be a powerhouse for powering dual coils the way they need to be powered.

"I swear. I'm waiting for someone to get like a 100ml bottle of ejuice and just put it in a theatrical fogging machine and just hook that up to a gas mask... "

Well hell, come on over then!

 

[scubabatwife]

Great advice here!
Thanks for the tips.

 

[Mark Cutrufelli]

Try the Legacy Standard (Puresmoker) with 18650 battery- stainless, long batt life, built like a tank about $89 or $137 whole kit w/multicharger