What pro's do you think or hope to see if FDA regulates PV?

[O-Man]

All everyone usually talks about is all the negatives of FDA E-Cig regulations but there has to be some positives. Although I'd prefer an open market, I'm a realist and I expect government to intervene at some point as PV become more popular (because they're awesome).

What pro's do you think we will see?

What benefits/ changes do you hope will happen?


I am looking forward to quality control b/c right now it is really easy to omit those nasty ingredients we now know to look for.

 

[frosting]

The easy way to avoid anything funny in your e-juice... Have a vendor who you know, you can tell is passionate and loves to vape themselves. Also, buy American or Canadian if you happen to be a maple leaf.


I just.... I can't see anything positive about FDA intervention. It will gouge prices up the wazoo because they'll find some dirty, grimy, heartless way to tax the hello out of nicotine liquid and put amazing mom and pop's out of business. I don't want the vendors I love to be a memory so I'd much prefer for them to stay the hell away. I can dream can't I?

I just don't think quality control is necessary for the majority of vendors. If i have to absolutly positivly have to find something positive okay... fine I'll try!

If the FDA where to do random testing of vendor juices to make sure they only have propylene glycol, flavoring, vegetable glycerin, and nicotine I might be alright with that. Weeding out bad vendors. However then the question comes up of the FDA's honesty and integrity which is severely lacking. They could throw people under the bus just for the sake of BP and BT.

 

[O-Man]

I just don't think quality control is necessary for the majority of vendors. If i have to absolutly positivly have to find something positive okay... fine I'll try!

Haha That's the point- to REACH DOWN DEEP and TRY to find something good about it. I full heartedly agree that it would create a huge hindrance for a lot of REALLY great vendors. While I think bad vendors are seldom in the made in USA market, I tend to think there has to be someone out their that may have some type of life event where they are strapped for money causing them to purchase cheaper supplies. (plus what if the reputable source themselves start purchasing from a vendor who is misleading? It's not hard to trick people online; I can make a website in China that would appear to you as USA made vendor, even ship it through a hub to make it look like it was shipped for here, and at face value it would look like I love/ die for quality vaping) Just something to think about.

Personally I'm happy where we are right now and I have no issues with finding great vendors. But for those that aren't as lucky- I just hope that crap in their juice doesn't hurt them. That's all.

I agree with you on all negatives- taxes... bad - BP and BT vs PV ... bad

 

[tj99959]

UL and CE ratings on all PV's. We demand these ratings on everything from tooth brushes to TV sets, so why wouldn't we demand that the PV's that we stick in our mouth have the same level of independent testing.

 

[Bullwinkle]

There is no upside to having our gangster government get it's greedy little fingers in our personal business. Zero. None.

TANSTAAFL

 

[Retriever]

UL and CE ratings on all PV's. We demand these ratings on everything from tooth brushes to TV sets, so why wouldn't we demand that the PV's that we stick in our mouth have the same level of independent testing.

I agree. I think independent testing is all we need. The FDA can't even keep the food we eat safe.

 

[sailorman]

UL and CE ratings on all PV's. We demand these ratings on everything from tooth brushes to TV sets, so why wouldn't we demand that the PV's that we stick in our mouth have the same level of independent testing.

The problem with that idea is that the UL or CE only test designs and provide standards for designs. They don't do Q.C. or any significant amount of actual product testing.
Most PVs don't have a big design problem. The problem is in the execution. So a UL rating would be more for show than anything. And I may be wrong, but I don't really see much UL labeling on D.C. products. Hmmm... looking around, everything I can find with a UL or CE label is an AC or a rechargeable device. That kind of makes sense because DC safety is so dependent on the batteries. At any rate, IMO, UL and CE labels have become nearly as meaningless as the Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval, or the Better Business Bureau. My crappiest charger has a CE label.

 

[KevNewEngland]

There is no upside to having our gangster government get it's greedy little fingers in our personal business. Zero. None.

I agree 110%

 

[sailorman]

I see no upside to the FDA getting involved. Any pro would be vastly outweighed by the cons. You can probably kiss all the smaller juice shops goodbye. The testing regimen will be far too expensive.

One way they may survive is if the FDA doesn't destroy the market for unflavored nicotine. They can sell DIY kits with nothing but flavorings. Just add Xml of X% nic. solution. They can use their same recipes and just leave out the nicotine and a certain portion of VG or PG to be added by the customer. Or, they can sell juice in two parts, shipped from two different companies, neither of which falls under the classification of an e-juice company.

For the China bashers: As far as I know, there have been two real "scandals" involving e-juice and both of them have originated with U.S. companies. In China, company CEOs and managers go to jail for the kind of things American CEOs shrug off. The worst that happens to an American CEO or manager is a golden parachute, a bankruptcy and a re-organization under another name. In China, they get long prison terms for selling poison dog food.

 

[Iffy]

 

[StotheK]

I don't see an upside, other than perhaps better QC on the e-liquid front. But saying that most of the impact is going to be around liquid. Here's what I see as happening

• Pre-filled cartomizer sales only (no e-liquid)
• Some sort of certification requrement to sell cartos
• No flavors beyond tobacco and menthol
• Only fairly low nicotine content allowed

This seems to be the direction based on some of the interactions the FDA has had with some of the more mainstream brands. Naturally if separate e-liquid is banned, that's going to complicate things a great deal if you're not a fan of stick style e-cigarettes.

 

[zoiDman]

I’d like to see All Colorants Removed from e-Liquids.

That and I would like to see e-Liquids come in “Approved” containers that are known to Minimize Chemical Leaching.

 

[coffeevapergirl]

I see no good involving the FDA in the QC of any aspect of vaping. This is based on how ineffectual the FDA is now in dealing with food and medicines. It is a business for them i feel. For me vaping is about quitting smoking. They do not care.

 

[tj99959]

Lets face realities guys. Vaping is becoming more and more mainstream every day. As it does, some form of consumer protection will become demanded. We don't want to be vaping unsafe products anymore than we want our babies sleeping in unsafe cribs. Now we can either become proactive, or you can damn sure bet someone will step in and do it for us (which will amount to doing it to us)

 

[zoiDman]

Lets face realities guys. Vaping is becoming more and more mainstream every day. As it does, some form of consumer protection will become demanded. We don't want to be vaping unsafe products anymore than we want our babies sleeping in unsafe cribs. Now we can either become proactive, or you can damn sure bet someone will step in and do it for us (which will amount to doing it to us)

I think this is a Very Realistic way to Look at Things.

 

[O-Man]

I’d like to see All Colorants Removed from e-Liquids.

That and I would like to see e-Liquids come in “Approved” containers that are known to Minimize Chemical Leaching.

I second that!

I also think it would be interesting to know what benefits can come from pure nicotine. I know most doctors say limited amounts of caffeine per day actually does more good than bad, and I put caffeine and nic in the same general category so maybeeeeee....

 

[propagandax]

Every time the government gets involved ..... gets really screwed up. Knuff said!

 

[sumoman25]

The FDA doesn't hold much integrity, simply because it doesn't have to. It's more worried about profits than efficacy, which is incredibly unfortunate for us.

I don't see anything good, I was about to say QC on cartomizers but the only ones that ever needed it imo is the ce3's. E-liquid doesn't need QC, even Chinese liquid isn't THAT bad. The most dangerous thing in an e-cig is the battery, which most batteries are from reputable companies. I don't see any good coming out of it.

 

[DC2]

I don't see an upside, other than perhaps better QC on the e-liquid front. But saying that most of the impact is going to be around liquid. Here's what I see as happening

• Pre-filled cartomizer sales only (no e-liquid)
• Some sort of certification requrement to sell cartos
• No flavors beyond tobacco and menthol
• Only fairly low nicotine content allowed

This seems to be the direction based on some of the interactions the FDA has had with some of the more mainstream brands. Naturally if separate e-liquid is banned, that's going to complicate things a great deal if you're not a fan of stick style e-cigarettes.

Bingo.

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[MickeyRat]

Lessee more regulation of e-juice might be considered an up side by some but, I DIY. I'm certain FDA regulation will make getting my supplies more difficult and more expensive. I don't see any upside at all.