Possible alternative we could push instead of FDA Regulations?
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But FDA has specific requirements in the law as to how to decide to regulate. There are panel inputs they are required to include.
Marlboro hasn't in the past and not right now, neither has anyone else vaping related. Marlboro may well have to do so by the time deeming is enforced. They most likely will for electronic devices.
Marlboro hasn't in the past and not right now, neither has anyone else vaping related. Marlboro may well have to do so by the time deeming is enforced. They most likely will for electronic devices.
Marlboro has not released a new blend approved by the FDA. There have been changes to labeling, and not so much warnings as stuff like renaming, such as Marlboro LIghts becoming Marlboro Gold, due to the ban on "low tar" in names as misleading to believe the low tar is any safer.
If they could get approval with a bunch of paperwork and $330,00, they would do it in a flash. That amount of money is a rounding error to them.
The FDA is involved in absolutely everything.... they even have rules on what type of materials plates and eating utensiles can be made from....
Except supplements! I think I may have been corrected on this once before.... if so, I'm willing to be corrected again....
Anna
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They are only involved with supplements if they get a report of side effects, or discover that whatever that capsule from China it isn't Ginseng as labeled.
OK, so when some wild dude gets a hair up his chin and starts reporting all his supplements to the FDA, while fervently making videos about their "breaking the Laws of the Supplements" and posts them on YouTube wearing black with a creepy black background, LOL?
I laugh because my mom's an "Herbally-trained" acupuncturist, she went to China for it, and she's always trying to shove Tiger Penis or something at me. I'm like, "Mom, I'm not taking that stuff, I have no idea what it is other than totally inedible-looking and if you can tell me one way it will Play Nice with the rest of my meds, sure." She never has the answers, I had no idea I should be reporting her to the FDA....
I think supplements have their own regulatory (voluntary) body that they can sign off their supplements are "Pure and tested" or something, but it strikes me that is just a bit too easy. I do take some supplements including red rice yeast since I can't afford the copay on my cholesterol med anymore, but I tend to just go with the more well-known brands, I mean, I'm not sure I trust a self-regulating body for supplements, but I don't *adore* taking them, though I'm sure I would not adore the price, either, if the FDA got involved.
So, I'm not planning to turn the Parent in to the FDA, though she's fully retired at this point, I just think (sometimes) she's trying to unload her stockpile on her kids.... The odd thing is, she takes regular meds too, she just combines them with Chinese Herbs. I'm quite certain many of them are good for some things, but nobody thinks enough when you are combining old and new stuff, (JMO as always.)
Anna
I laugh because my mom's an "Herbally-trained" acupuncturist, she went to China for it, and she's always trying to shove Tiger Penis or something at me. I'm like, "Mom, I'm not taking that stuff, I have no idea what it is other than totally inedible-looking and if you can tell me one way it will Play Nice with the rest of my meds, sure." She never has the answers, I had no idea I should be reporting her to the FDA....
I think supplements have their own regulatory (voluntary) body that they can sign off their supplements are "Pure and tested" or something, but it strikes me that is just a bit too easy. I do take some supplements including red rice yeast since I can't afford the copay on my cholesterol med anymore, but I tend to just go with the more well-known brands, I mean, I'm not sure I trust a self-regulating body for supplements, but I don't *adore* taking them, though I'm sure I would not adore the price, either, if the FDA got involved.
So, I'm not planning to turn the Parent in to the FDA, though she's fully retired at this point, I just think (sometimes) she's trying to unload her stockpile on her kids.... The odd thing is, she takes regular meds too, she just combines them with Chinese Herbs. I'm quite certain many of them are good for some things, but nobody thinks enough when you are combining old and new stuff, (JMO as always.)
Anna
The only thing 'we could push' that might have an effect on regulation would be to push enough money to re pay the 'missing' funds and a steady stream that will fund the tobacco MSA in the future.
If each vaper would just donate 1 measly million per year we'd be almost half way there.
None of this is about health or protecting the public from themselves or science or any altruistic motives... it is & always has been about control & $, lots of $.
It isn't just California, it is 46 states that are in a similar predicament.
If each vaper would just donate 1 measly million per year we'd be almost half way there.
None of this is about health or protecting the public from themselves or science or any altruistic motives... it is & always has been about control & $, lots of $.
It isn't just California, it is 46 states that are in a similar predicament.
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I thought there was still at least one bill before Congress that would change things. Problem is they aren't very good, along with they're all statists with no conception of reasonable government. Further, the Deeming going into full effect has been delayed, and even after that the law could be changed. BUT -- that won't happen without a compelling alternative in mind, hence this thread.
In many cases, it would be necessary to eliminate competition to regulated products to make the regulation effective. Seems to me this is not a case where that is necessary or productive. The first few to get a stamp of approval of some kind from the FDA stand to make millions, even in a free market.
If, and that's a big if, Congress steps in and acts, that would maybe be a whole new ball game. I still stand by my thoughts that this ship has left the harbor.
Maybe but that doesn't mean we can't fire as many cannons as we can muster at it to try and sink it.
If Congress does anything - doubtful
Allowing UL to set the standards won't be it. That's a non starter
Allowing UL to set the standards won't be it. That's a non starter
You know, US is much like N. Korea.
Playing anthems at ball games, loving its armed forces, financing of FDA...
May be it's time for pushing for a bit of freedoms?
Playing anthems at ball games, loving its armed forces, financing of FDA...
May be it's time for pushing for a bit of freedoms?
Except our leader doesn't kill his cabinet members with anti-aircraft guns. We have zero chance of no regulations, the best we can do is try to limit their impact.
The idea of limited government is a dead or completely incomprehensible concept for most Americans. Most of this forum's support some kind of "reasonable" regulation - probably to protect the children. Most have sat silently for decades as the size and scope of government has grown increasingly intrusive. It is only now that their own ox has been gored that they become somewhat agitated.
Keep it on topic and leave the political commentary out of this please.
As for handing off mod safety to UL, it's not out of the realm of possibilities. The FDA is already planning on passing battery safety off to the CPSC (Consumer Product Safety Commission).
As for handing off mod safety to UL, it's not out of the realm of possibilities. The FDA is already planning on passing battery safety off to the CPSC (Consumer Product Safety Commission).
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