What to chose? :o Confused

[Grindhouse]

Oh hai dear vapers,

I am new to vaping, have been going on for about a month, testing out new juices and so forth to figure out what i like.
Currently im using an eGo battery, 900 mAh and a vivi nova, which seems to be working fine, but i feel i need an upgrade for longer vape times and not having to recharge the battery every day or during middle of the day, kind of annoying.

Im basically, looking for a mod that can last me for longer than 1 day, i vape around 4-5 ml a day i would say.

I got the possibility for roughly the same price, to get either an eVic or a vamo.

I am looking to spend a maximum of 100$, and i am situated in Copenhagen, Europe. So some things here are more expensive.

I want a mod, that is not too big, probably the size of the Provari mini, sturdy and can last for abit. I do not drop stuff often, so it does not have to be a tank like the Provari (if i had the cash, i would be getting a provari, i tried it at my local B&M shop, its awesome).

But yeah, basically looking for a starter kit, that will last me, work good, good vape and great taste. Taste is incredibly important for me. So any help with tanks (I want to try a carto tank) would be very helpful as well.

Also, if any1 knows - i really like some of the American juices around (they just sound awesome), like Pluid, Unicorn Blood etc. But i heard many issues with customs in europe, tending to take the nic liquid. So i do am not sure if i want to dare spending 100 dollars on liquid from US and having it taken :/

Any help is greatly appriciated.


Best regards,
Grindhouse

 

[Thyroid]

Well, Vamo in 18350-mode isn't that huge I think. It's more powerful than eVic, and cheaper - which leaves room for your budget to buy tank for it. You also need couple IMR batteries, AW IMR are the best but Efest's are little cheaper and work fine as well. If you're not going to rebuildables right away, cartotank is vapourwise good option. Clearo-tanks needs to be modified a little, and may need some rebuilding skills to get rid off the dryhits. Isn't Pink Mule webshop in your country? Not sure if they have Vamo, but they seem to have good selection of vapour products

I live in Finland, and we are allowed to order nicotine-liquids from EU zone (but we cannot buy them in our own country...). I usually order from Liberty Flights or EsmokeIrland (their Wingnuts Liquids are very very tasty, prices around 11€/30ml).

Cartotanks can be almost anything that you find good looking. They usually does their job as they should. If you buy big tank, choose xl-sized cartos. With variable voltage (or wattage) device it can be low resistance or standard, no matter. Cartopuncher could be also good idea, if you accindentally buy cartos that don't have pre-made holes.

 

[Grindhouse]

Thanks for the reply Thyroid.

Yeah Pink-Mule has some stuff that they ship to Denmark, but they are located in Spain. I can also order stuff all across Europe, like nic juice etc, not a problem. Got some orders from Liberty Flights coming in soon, juices.

But mainly yea, my concerns and questions are about mods and carto tanks. I also saw this AMP tank here on the website, in the tank subforum, that one looks awesome! I would not mind spending a buck on that, really looks awesome. But is it worth it? And as far as I can tell it is not a carto tank is it?

I was also thinking about Silver Bullet maybe? I am having trouble understanding what the difference between a VV/VW and Mechanical Mods are. I dont seem to be able to chose volate on a bullet but, is that important or does it even matter?

 

[Thyroid]

I could write an essee for you about differences between mechanical mods and variable voltage/wattage devices, and different attys, cartos and clearos... but I think this video from PBusardo explains everything very well and understandable way.
A PBusardo Video - Beginners Guide to E-Cigs and E-Cig Tech - YouTube

I also saw this AMP tank here on the website, in the tank subforum, that one looks awesome! I would not mind spending a buck on that, really looks awesome. But is it worth it? And as far as I can tell it is not a carto tank is it?

I took a look at it, and It looks like well made tank for stock atomizers. I cannot tell how it works, but for that price... I would skip it. And actually skip those stock atomizers too. There's a little learning curve with making your own coil, but rebuildables produce seriously better taste and vapor comparing to those. And you vape it for some time, you don't have to throw your atomizer to trash can - simply make a new coil. Atomizer itself lasts forever. For that price you can afford great rebuildables. Actually you can buy decent RDA (rebuildable dripping atomizer) on ten dollars.

 

[Grindhouse]

Ill check out that guide you posted.
Tbh I'm not interested in any rebuildable devices because I simply don't want to sit and rebuild etc. too much hassle for me. I want something simple and east that works, without having to spend hours upon hours to make it work.

 

[darkhood]

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[Faylool]

Dark hood hit the nail on the head this for your present needs. Since you sound smart and quick learning keep reading about delivery devices. Narrow it down and read some more. I love having it all and there are benefits to each when you find the right quality of each. Cart/tank- rda(rebuildable dripping atty) -ready made joye tech 510 standard reserve attomizer ( for dripping or bottom feeding mods REO), clearomizers. Then choose glass! Finally consider DIY in 6 months to save a ton of $

 

[supertrunker]

silver bullet with an 18650 battery and your Nova tank on it per Dark's post. $84 i think and indestructible.

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[Grindhouse]

Yeah, ive been reading up on the Silver Bullet and Kick etc. At current prices, it seems ill be spending about 50 dollars less on the whole setup than i would on a provari, so I think that is a bit too pricy tbh.

Vamo? Any good? Or not even comparible to Provari and SB?

 

[StaircaseWit]

You've received good advice here already, but one thing I'd like to note: don't get hung up on "I want a battery that lasts two days". It's a recipe for choosing based on the wrong criteria. An 18650 or 18490 battery is a pretty tiny thing to carry in your pocket, so carry a spare or two. I'd rather have one solid device that I can trust in one pocket and a spare battery in the other than trying to get that kind of life out of one mod. Honestly you'll forget you're even carrying that spare until you need it.

 

[goeslikestink]

I've had my Silver Bullet for about 2 years. It's indestructible! I use it every day, all day, and have traveled the world with it. I've dropped it countless times from my pocket to the ground, concrete, sand, etc It's dinged, dented, and scratched....but it just keeps working like it's brand new. It has to be the most rugged mod out there...I love it. Downside is that it's large (Diameter) and it does not have any vent holes (at least my version does not). I have never had a problem with it. It's a great value and will last forever. I have 2 18650 batteries so that one is always charged. You get a good 2 days out of one 3.7volt 18650 battery. It vapes at 3.7 volts just like the Ego ( It feels like it vapes a little hotter than an Ego). You can stack 2 batteries in it if you want to vape at 6 volts. You can also experiment by using low resistance and normal resistance cartomizers for a custom vape. You don't need to spend $$$$ on a variable voltage mod. The Silver bullet will treat you right, not break, and can be used in numerous ways. I vape at 3.7 volts with a low-res cartomizer....perfect for me, a little hotter and more vapor.
I'm not saying that the Silver Bullet is the only way to go but for the cost it's fantastic. I also have an Empire Mod which I love but I'm always afraid of scratching it all up. I also have a standard Ego for when I want to keep things small. My Provari is great as well but I don't want to bang it up as well. I seem to always end up going back to my Silver Bullet because I don't have to worry about it and it just works!
You could also just buy an Ego pass-thru that you can plug into any usb plug, you would never run out of battery life if you choose that direction and you can also use a low-res cartomizer- This is a great cheap alternative!

Happy Vaping!

 

[dspin]

There is not a mod built with the biggest batt that will last me all day. I chain vape, use very LR set-ups and change out my batts at around 3.9 when performance starts to wane.


Dont worry about thinking you need a batt to last you all day.

 

[crxess]

Kanger is due to release the new ProTank this week. It may be a good intermediate tank system. Any good mod should be able to drive it without issue.
If you cannot afford the Provari there are a few decent Budget minded China VW models out at very reasonable prices. You should treat these with more care as they usually have limited warranties. That said, units like the Vamo and Sigelei ZMax have a decent track record. Sigelei has made several updates through production and the latest units seem to have come into their own as a solid multi featured device.

 

[Baditude]

How long do you want your mod to last you? May sound like a silly question, but consider the below facts.

Most of the variable voltage/variable wattage mods on the market today are manufactured from China. Look for how long the warranty is, because once the warranty has expired, consider those mods to be semi-disposable. Should anything go wrong with one, it can't be fixed by the manufacturer or vendor you purchase it from.

Most American manufacturers, such as Altsmoke for the Silver Bullet and Provape for the Provari, will continue to service their mods for as long as you own them even after the warranty expires. I feel this is extremely important for the long term vapor. You pay a little more for American-made, but in the long run it is worth it.

I own both the Silver Bullet (un-Kicked) and a Provari and can recommend both of them. Both are built like tanks and will last nearly forever. They are like old soldiers that will never die, just keep on working consistantly and dependably. You can purchase a Silver Bullet for $85 from Altsmoke and a brand new, slightly blemished, full warranty Provari for $140 in the Provape clearance section. Clearance

Kicked Silver Bullet

Provari and Mini Provari

 

[crxess]

^^^^^ and remember none of that will matter if your unit gets lost or stolen.

I don't disagree with Quality and service. I do get tired of reading why people should exceed their budget. Just once I rather read - Once you can afford it, I'd recommend a Provari. Just one time

 

[Grindhouse]

Thanks a lot for the info so far, amazing how much one can learn here.
The silver bullet sounds great, however I'm wondering about a few things.
1. At the same price I can get a full vamo kit, will the sb still be better?
2. If I don't use a kicker, and run the battery at 3.7 volts, will it work with dual coil carto tanks?
3. Is it possible to get batteries at say, 5 volt? Or other than 3.7?

 

[StaircaseWit]

^^^^^ and remember none of that will matter if your unit gets lost or stolen.

I don't disagree with Quality and service. I do get tired of reading why people should exceed their budget. Just once I rather read - Once you can afford it, I'd recommend a Provari. Just one time

Once you can afford it, I'd recommend a Provari.

 

[StaircaseWit]

Thanks a lot for the info so far, amazing how much one can learn here.
The silver bullet sounds great, however I'm wondering about a few things.
1. At the same price I can get a full vamo kit, will the sb still be better?
2. If I don't use a kicker, and run the battery at 3.7 volts, will it work with dual coil carto tanks?
3. Is it possible to get batteries at say, 5 volt? Or other than 3.7?

1. Totally different beasts. The Vamo is a VV/VW device that lets you set your vape level. The SB is a battery tube with a switch. The SB has proven reliable over the long haul; the Vamo hasn't really been out long enough for such a determination, but has more "fragile" parts involved that make failure a higher likelihood.

2. Not well. Dual-coil cartos are the answer to a question no one was asking in my opinion. Get a good 1.7ohm carto (or thereabouts) and you're fine.

3. No, not without stacking, which is NOT recommended by most responsible vapers. Just not a good idea. Get a VV/VW mod or a Kick if you're not happy with 3.7V vaping -- or build your own low-res coils in a rebuildable. You'll probably end up there at some point anyway.

 

[Grindhouse]

1. Totally different beasts. The Vamo is a VV/VW device that lets you set your vape level. The SB is a battery tube with a switch. The SB has proven reliable over the long haul; the Vamo hasn't really been out long enough for such a determination, but has more "fragile" parts involved that make failure a higher likelihood.

2. Not well. Dual-coil cartos are the answer to a question no one was asking in my opinion. Get a good 1.7ohm carto (or thereabouts) and you're fine.

3. No, not without stacking, which is NOT recommended by most responsible vapers. Just not a good idea. Get a VV/VW mod or a Kick if you're not happy with 3.7V vaping -- or build your own low-res coils in a rebuildable. You'll probably end up there at some point anyway.

Thanks

Silver Bullet sounds about right, in what i am interested in, simple, without too much fluff, works and doesnt break upon a drop.

A good 1.7 ohm carto, single coil i suppose? Which ones are good?
As far as i know, most if not all cartos are useable with most carto tanks, like phiniacs etc. I want to get a glass tank, so i can vape juices that plastic cant handle.

I doubt i will be stacking battaries, i think using a single battery and an extra if i go low or run out, will be the simplest way to go.

I just heard so much about various juices needing different coils, cartos, volts and so forth. And taste as i mentioned, is important to me - so i would like the possibility of having the best taste that i can possibly get out of the devices i pay for.

I can afford paying for a provari, problem is - since i am so new to this, i am kind of afraid of shelling out around 300$ for something i have no clue about, so was thinking of starting small, at around 100$ and i guess eventually upgrading from there.

But if, the Provari is the best out of the best, in regards to durability, vape, quality etc. Then i suppose that is the way to go.

However, i got another concern with the provari, since it is a US company, it would require for me to ship it to US for upgrades or if anything breaks within the warranty. Is that okay? Being as im from Europe? Or how does that work exactly?


So much info, im spunging this all up Thanks alot to everyone pitching in.

 

[goeslikestink]

Liquidxpress.com has a great cardo tank that is made of Pyrex! Stronger than glass, superior to plastic, and obviously incredibly durable! It's a great tank, and they're a great bunch of guys- very professional and very involved on ECF and in the industry. You can get the prepunched cartos from them too. No, I don't work there, just had a lot of great experiences with them.