what to do? 36mg nic isnt enough 60?

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DcMagic

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I'm smoking 36mg nic juice all day long every day. And I don't even feel a head change. No light headed feeling or anything. So should I pumb up to 60mg? Or what? I don't know at what point the "mg" turns poisnous. But all I know is a normal cig does the trick more than 4 hours straight of vaping 36mg.

Am I just screwd? Any input?
 

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I'd shoot for 48 first like beer man said. When I first started, 24 didnt seem to cut it so I got some 36 and 48 to help. Well, they were wayyyy too strong for me for some reason, chain vaping I guess lol. 48's pretty stout though man, at least for me. 60 would really sting my mouth I think... What e cig model are you using? In my 510 24 seems kind of week but kicks my ... on my chuck.
 

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I'm smoking 36mg nic juice all day long every day. And I don't even feel a head change. No light headed feeling or anything. So should I pumb up to 60mg? Or what? I don't know at what point the "mg" turns poisnous. But all I know is a normal cig does the trick more than 4 hours straight of vaping 36mg.

Am I just screwd? Any input?

I know that by myself "moving up" to mods - bartleby, protege, chameleon now - that about a month back now, I was able to get off 'power vaping' on the regular batts and the megas. I'm able to put them down now and really sometimes go a while before the 'urge' comes up. I'm just guessing that getting the more vapor and absorption is doing it. I'm still vaping from 10-16mg but I seem to be getting more nicotine with the mods. I just started vaping a 5v pt so I don't have a guage on that.

So rather than going to 60mg (what's toxic for 'normal people' may be different for us but 50 or 60 is known to cause problems in some people), you might consider a mod. The Bart is at $50 for starters or build yourself one for @$20-25:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/battery-mods/16762-how-new-improved-nicostick.html

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I still smoke about 5 cigarettes a day. Down from 30 a day. I frankly don't know why.
I don't think it's lack of nicotine. I think it's all in my mind that I want to have one.
Hopefully this will pass.

I've had a nicotine overload once or twice from vaping. Chain vaped for about an hour and I got the same feeling as when I occasionally chain smoked, BUT I did NOT get dizzy.

One cigarette, however, makes me a little dizzy. Every time. Vaping never does.
My theory is that it's the carbon monoxide in cigarettes.

I vape 28 mg. But, I personally don't think trying 50 mg would be dangerous. Unless
you chain vaped for quite a while. After all, two puffs of 28 mg is the same nicotine as one puff of 56 mg. Or close.
 

DcMagic

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what did you smoke before? i smoked a pack ada of non filtered analogs and have found 36mg to b just right for me. instead of stepping up id suggest holding that vapor in a tad longer. i know it helped me out on the 24mg starters i got with my e cigs

Iv smoke 2 packs of 27's every day for years. Then a pack and a half of dajarm black cloves for the last 5 years. I'm using a joy510 with stock stuff. I'm waiting for my chuck to come in and I'm going to run at 6v. Maybe 36mg will kick at 6v. Otherwise I'm gunna bump up to 45 or so. If that's not doing it. I dunno. Nicotine injections? Haha. (Joke)

I'm thinking its just a lack of "head change" like when you smoke a strong cig first thing in the morning. I'm guessing its a lack of all the chemicals in cigs. Vaping is more "clean". Sooo. So we'll see what happens.
 

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I am pretty sure that the head change to which you refer is from the carbon monoxide in tobacco smoke. The nicotine does not have anything like that. All I have ever gotten from low and high levels of nicotine is low and high amounts of calm as though i had just smoked a cig. I never get that 'nic rush' from vaping and have learned to live with that.

If you can get a similar feeling to what you are thinking by breathing very quickly like lamaz pregnancy breathing for a minute, then its probably the carbon monoxide or whatever is doing that in tobacco.

Best of luck to you. If you find out what you are looking for, I will be interested to see.
 

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I'm smoking 36mg nic juice all day long every day. And I don't even feel a head change. No light headed feeling or anything. So should I pumb up to 60mg? Or what? I don't know at what point the "mg" turns poisnous. But all I know is a normal cig does the trick more than 4 hours straight of vaping 36mg.
Ack! Even the idea of 60 mg is scary - It's generally intended for mixing, not straight vaping. I did some reading, but had a hard time figuring out what nicotine levels you ingest with e-smoking vs. normal cigs. Too many uncertainties at this time. This post has some relevant info, though: Nicotine Safety Info. That is pretty general, but you can search here or Google "60 mg e-liquid" (which will also lead to many posts here).

I agree with SNM that expecting a "head change," lightheadedness, etc. is not typical for a long-term smoker unless you've been without a smoke for a very long time. I'm puzzled, because, personally, if I have a smoke after a long time without one & feel a reaction... I don't find it pleasant.

I'm pretty new to this, but your post worries me, so I'll try to help with some general thoughts... None of the following is stated as fact, just ideas based on my scientific background, my own & others' experience, & the fact that my body tends to be very sensitive.

What type of cigarettes do you smoke & how much? Unless you're smoking like 5 packs of unfiltered a day, I don't think the problem is that you're not getting an equivalent amount of nicotine from the e-cig.

It could be something as simple as taste addiction. I haven't tried much tobacco-flavored juice, but I'm sure none taste just like a cig because they're a liquid concentrate, not burning plant+other stuff. For some people that can be a huge factor.

Keep in mind that cigarettes have a ton of stuff in them besides nicotine that your body is also used to. I don't think anyone has studied the addictiveness of all the stuff in a regular cig, but when your body is used to something - even if it's not officially "addictive" or mood-altering- it does take time to adjust. Going cold-turkey off of some medications can make you feel nasty, even though they aren't "addictive." Also, all those chemicals interact with each other, your body, other drugs, etc. So there could be a combination that e-cigs aren't providing. (I did see a blurb about ammonia in cigs making your body absorb nicotine faster. Since you aren't getting that in an e-cig, maybe you're getting nicotine more gradually & it feels odd to you.)

A big factor with nicotine addiction (and possibly the "head change" you mentioned) is that it causes your brain to release extra endorphins, which make you feel relaxed yet also alert. (I know that makes no sense, but there it is). That's why smokers tend to need a cig to calm down when stressed, but also to give a boost when they are tired. *shrug*

Some people are more sensitive to that than others. Perhaps your body doesn't make as many endorphins on its own as you have gotten used to with cigs. And maybe e-cigs, for some reason, don't provide the same level of endorphin production. *shrug* No one really knows at this point.

That's just one example of something you may be getting from cigs, but not e-cigs. For all I know, it could be your body has a bizarre craving for... I dunno... 4(2-Butenylidene)-3,5,5-Trimethyl-2-Cyclohexen-1-One.)

Do you have any health conditions or take medications? (You don't have to tell us. :)) If so, there could be an interaction between them & something found in cigs but not in e-cigs.

And finally... This will sound silly- please don't take it wrong! I don't know how long you've been vaping or what PV you use... But are you doing it right? Heh. I ask because I didn't know for a while that you inhale differently on a PV (at least on an automatic). It made a big difference when I learned that. Since you've been here a while, I'm sure you know that, but just had to mention it.

Good luck & please be careful! - RR

Sorry this is so long, just so many possible factors.
 
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DcMagic

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Red raven. Your spot on with what you say.

I don't think that I'm going to hit up 60mg juice. But I have to realise its never going to "feel" the same as a cig.

I think its a mixture of taste, carbon monoxide, and other chemicals in a normal cig that gives you that relaxed feeling. Or that boost of energy.

I don't take any medications. Or smoke or snort or do any other type of drugs. So I don't think that is the issue.

I'm going to have to really sit and try and vape and pay attention to how I feel. And maybe lay off it all together for as long as I can. And see if that might help. I'm pretty much in the dark for now. So well see what happens.
 
Hey man don't feel bad, i had the same problem, i smoked unfiltered American Spirits and unfiltered Camels fer 7 years, and I'm 21, and played football in high skool, startin full back. and i did it ona pack a day unfiltered. I had a real hard time switching over, but i tried the holding the vapor in longer trick as suggested earlyer and it seems to be working. I'm down 2 about 1 unfiltered american spirit a day. and for those who dont know american spirit, it's one heck of an expensive and yet strong and tasty analog.
 
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