Getting enough nic issue

[Plumes.91]

Old Curmudgeon, so now that you are dragging more slowly, you are producing more vapor? Are you now getting more vapor when you inhale and exhale after trying the slow inhale technique? I was going to say that tip too. You need to take nice, easy inhales. You should be seeing a lot of visible vapor if you take nice slow inhales. If you are not, your carto may be on the fritz, or your battery may be slacking. I highly HIGHLY doubt that you need 24mg nic juice. This forum is full of people that have been recommending 24mg juice and I think its silly. I get sick with 18mg juice and I was a roll my own 30 to 35 cigarette a day smoker. so I just recently stepped down to 16mg and I'm feeling a lot better. I remember when I 1st joined up here, the more experienced members were around a LOT more than they are these days. They helped me to research nicotine withdrawal and nicotine overdose. Nicotine withdrawal and nicotine overdose are weird in that the majority of symptoms for nicotine withdrawal, match the symptoms of nicotine overdose! haha. Nico Overdose does NOT sound like your problem though. because u werent seeing a lot of vapor, it sounds like the problem is either your carto or your battery. I kindof wish the experienced members were still around but I think they've all graduated out of their honey-moon stage and now that they know what they enjoy, they aren't posting as much. They mainly just toke off of their telescoping mods and Wizards and $500 rebuild-able attys aloooone lol.

YES, I DO recommend you try your vivi tank. Why? Because I know they work well. I know they do. So if you use that, and it doesn't work well... You'll know that its your battery thats on the fritz. Uhm, what I would recommend is that you try that vivi tank with a 16-18mg juice and you should see vapor and you should feel the nic. I promise!

 

[MorpheusPA]

What's the problem in the morning? Are you feeling nic sick?

I tend to wake up with a seriously bad craving to smoke and it fades slowly over the first hour I'm up. WTAs seem to help a lot with that, too, and I raise my nic level a touch in the mornings to try to compensate.

Over the last day or so, I haven't had any day or evening cravings...right after I complained about them. I'm sure I'll get hit out of left field once or twice here, though.

 

[Old Curmudgeon]

How long are you holding it in?

If vapor isn't being exhaled...you'd have the nic hit unless the juice is wrong (like 0 mg juice). Doesn't make sense.

One of the threads I came across said to hold it in my lungs for around 5-8 seconds. I'm taking long, slow drags, getting a ton
of vapor, flavor and great TH, but if I inhale just a wisp comes out.

 

[steved5600]

You can order juice with a higher nic count when I first started i got some at 48mg but I don't recommend it unless you were a heavy smoker. ALSO I tapered off quickly as I was getting mild headaches. The only reason I went that high was that I inhaled 2-4 cigars a day and was getting a big hit of nic on them. I didn't smoke those little cigars. If you go that high you really have to be careful with the liquid. A kid or pet gets into that and it won't be pretty. I've been told above 16mg is getting pretty toxic.
That's my worth.
Consider this option carefully.

 

[boardopboy]

I began with a No. 7 High Nic starter kit. Wasn't high enough for me. So I bought some 24mg liquid and started refilling the cartos. Still wasn't doing it, so I got an 1100mah kgo kit and dripped that 24mg and was getting closer, but I was still melting faces and skinning puppies. So I order some 70/30 36mg nicotine liquid... Vaped that straight and thought my head was going to explode. Through mixing and dilution, I have landed at about 27mg and that suits me perfectly.

Is there a point to my rambling? Yup... Everyone is different. Everyone's body chemistry is different. Don't take anyone's suggestions as gospel... Instead apply their experiences to your trial and error and you'll get your nic level dialed in. Just don't give up. And even if you need to buy an occasional pack of smokes to fill in the gaps along the way... Don't beat yourself up over it. One day you'll find you aren't even thinking about smoking anymore. I myself have just reached that point.

Good luck!

 

[jimrug1]

Ok OC here is my take. I am a relative newbie and I have had my issues with vaping. My first order was 100% PG juice. I would hit on it like I would do a one Hitt#$. Held it in for a Looooong time. Barely any vape came out but I was getting nic. I started out with 36mg. If you can vape 36Mg and not feel a thing, you either need medication or different equipment...;-) I was a 1 - 2 pad smoker and I did 36mg for a month and it ended up kicking my .... I don't care how much you absorb by vaping vs smoking. That is a lot of nic!! As much or more than you ever got even if you chain smoked full flavored cigs. As a side note. I have just learned how to drip (as some here may remember my recent thread) I have to tell you dripping for me was like vaping on steroids. I got more of a buzz (On the same nic level) from dripping and 3 or 4 hits than I got from 2 hours of chain vaping previously. I woke up the next morning and I still did not want an analog. I am not recommending this for light or med smokers.. just sayin......... ;-)

 

[klynnn]

I'm waiting to see how the vivi nova does with the juice for him.

 

[Plumes.91]

Forreal. I can't stress enough that your problem is notttttt that u need 24+mg nic juice. You could even be making yourself od which, as I said above... ODing on nicotine feels almost exactly like withdrawing from nicotine. I really recommend you step it down to at least 18mg. I chain smoked loose, high tar, disgusting grade tobacco in fill your own tubes, and I get sick off of more than 6-7 big puffs of 18mg juice. Step it down. The 1st time I quit with vaping, I vaped along side the gum. I always had 2mg gum in my mouth and i vaped every 30 min or so. I overdosed on nicotine without knowing it and I thought I was withdrawing when I wasn't. Google nicotine overdose and see if it matches what you think are your nicotine cravings. They are almost exactly alike.

If you are vaping pure PG juice, try a 20-80 or 30-70 pg/vg juice mix for more vapor production. If your getting good throat hit and little vapor, it sounds like your using pure pg juice.

 

[Old Curmudgeon]

Forreal. I can't stress enough that your problem is notttttt that u need 24+mg nic juice. You could even be making yourself od which, as I said above... ODing on nicotine feels almost exactly like withdrawing from nicotine. I really recommend you step it down to at least 18mg. I chain smoked loose, high tar, disgusting grade tobacco in fill your own tubes, and I get sick off of more than 6-7 big puffs of 18mg juice. Step it down. The 1st time I quit with vaping, I vaped along side the gum. I always had 2mg gum in my mouth and i vaped every 30 min or so. I overdosed on nicotine without knowing it and I thought I was withdrawing when I wasn't. Google nicotine overdose and see if it matches what you think are your nicotine cravings. They are almost exactly alike.

If you are vaping pure PG juice, try a 20-80 or 30-70 pg/vg juice mix for more vapor production. If your getting good throat hit and little vapor, it sounds like your using pure pg juice.

I've over done nic before and yeah I know how it feels! Not good!
My PG/VG mix is 50/50 and some 70/30. I'm getting good vapor,
but not much is exhaling.

@Klynnn: I'm going to take her out tonight for a spin and will report back.

 

[Old Curmudgeon]

UPDATE

I decided to break out the Vivi and WOW what a difference!
Vapor production is the same but tastes much better and
I feel really satisfied like I've been eating salad for a week and
just had a steak.

Still one more problem though. The tank has a slow leak at the bottom threads

 

[klynnn]

Only fill it to about the level of the wicks and make sure the bottom is tight. First time I went to charge my batt and unscrewed the tank I poured it all over me.

 

[Kemosabe]

glad to hear youre doing good. flip the tank body and that should solve your leak.

UPDATE

I decided to break out the Vivi and WOW what a difference!
Vapor production is the same but tastes much better and
I feel really satisfied like I've been eating salad for a week and
just had a steak.

Still one more problem though. The tank has a slow leak at the bottom threads

 

[monkeybusiness]

Sounds like you're doing it wrong.

I get big thick plumes of vapour and I'm only using a KR808d-1 from V2. Even on my second breath I'm still exhaling some.

Let me explain. I went and got a Tornado 510 from Totally wicked with 24mg juice, but it wasn't doing it for me, before this I tried an intellicig, also with strong juice, the vapour production wasn't right and I went back to smoking.

I decided to go back and try again with a different e-cig. It was a totally different experience. Now I was getting too much. I stepped down from 24, 18 to 12 and then to 6mg. Even at 6, If I use it too much I still feel slightly affected, but never OD as I did on 18 and 24.

I was a 20 a day smoker for ten years, so not really a light smoker.

The equipment does make a huge difference. You could have faulty equipment, you could be using it wrong, you could also have the wrong juice. But if what you say about just exhaling a wisp of vapour is correct, that leads me to think that there's definitely something wrong.

Unfortunately, the only way you'll find out for sure is by spending more money to try out different set-ups. But I tried many different products and e-liquid vendors before I found something that worked for me.

*Just noticed your update, glad to see you've found the problem. Be careful not to OD.

 

[zuzette]

Lol.
If I just hold it in my mouth I produce enough fog for a Pink Floyd concert.

Yeah - thats the ticket! we went to brit floyd a couple of weeks ago - would have saved us a lot of energy if they had just flavored the fog machine.

That big cloud is what you want - its where the good stuff is.

EDIT: I missed the update . Good for you! Love my viv novas. We have 10 in the house in constant rotation. well worth the money.

 

[Old Curmudgeon]

But if what you say about just exhaling a wisp of vapour is correct, that leads me to think that there's definitely something wrong.

I was holding it in my lungs for a long time so I switched to just holding it in my mouth then
a long, slow french inhale and not breathing it back for so long and that seemed to do the trick.

 

[klynnn]

Just remember these are like cigs not the other stuff. You don't need to hold it it that long.

 

[MiamiMom63]

I've scanned through the thread and unless I missed it somewhere, I didn't see what ohms your cartomizers were that you said you were using and would only get a whisp of vapor from? Are they dual coils, or single coil? Sounds to me like the ohms of your cartos aren't right for the 3.7v I think you are vaping at on a KGO. If the ohms are too high in you cartos for the device you are using, that can happen. Plus you said you heard sizzling so they were working but not well, from what I've gathered. I got some clearos a long time ago at too high an ohm for my e-power I had back then (which is similar to EGO/KGO) and they did that. Barely a whisp and not working right.

 

[Old Curmudgeon]

I've scanned through the thread and unless I missed it somewhere, I didn't see what ohms your cartomizers were that you said you were using and would only get a whisp of vapor from?

That was the exhale. I'm getting tons of vapor, but I was holding it in too long I think and hardly anything
was coming out.

Just a newb observation but for whatever it's worth, I get clouds of vapor from both cartos and Vivi
but the Vivi is a stand out in flavor and purity. I swear I can taste the polyfill in the cartos.
Also I believe I'm getting a bigger nic hit from the Vivi.

 

[FleetFoxes]

maybe one of the posts on your PV is just a little too low. Also take a nice slow drag taking in the vapor in your mouth and as you are dragging let that slip into your lungs. you should be getting a bunch of vapor on your exhale

 

[MiamiMom63]

Ah, glad you got it figured out then I do have to admit that it takes a little bit of getting used to vaping rather than smoking. It's more of a slower longer inhale. But once you get used to it, you will find it second nature. Also, at first the vapor felt weird on my throat and I had to get used to it.