They even trying to ban health foods saying its unsafe,ami living in Nazi Germany?
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I agree that this is possible, but that wasn't your original premise. "BAN everything e-cig related!!" is not going to happen. People like to get panicked I guess.
Regulation and taxation is almost certainly what they have in mind, and if people get panicked enough they'll be happy about getting regulated and taxed.
Yes. More freedoms have been taken away than most here could imagine.
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Taxation? very unlikely IMO. It's morally equivilant to taxing methadone for ...... junkies. The media would have alot of fun with that though
Regulation, most certainly. And quite possibly too much.
Taxation? very unlikely IMO. It's morally equivilant to taxing methadone for ...... junkies. The media would have alot of fun with that though
Regulation, most certainly. And quite possibly too much.
No, it's equivalent to taxing tobacco and alcohol.
As far as I know, it is fairly well-known that it is financially unfeasible at this time to extract nicotine from anything other than tobacco.
And it is also financially unfeasible to make synthetic nicotine.
The European Union is in the process of attempting to do that right now.
And they are doing it through regulation.
Well, perhaps ban is the wrong word, as long as you don't mind being limited to 4mg strength liquid...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...d-e-cigarettes-more-than-4mg-ml-nicotine.html
Maybe we will be smarter than them?
Meh, they'll never actually be able to ban the hardware. Sites will just sell it as a "novelty item not for use with nicotine" and that's that. The liquid is what I'm a little worried about. If anything they will just require that any new nicotine products be presented for inspection by the FDA and have to go through an approval process. This will put a strain on the small time mom and pop type stores but it will all be back eventually, just maybe not in the same form as we are used to.
deal with.
Well as draconian as that may be, its not a ban. Its a classification of things over 4mg/ml as a medicine (and thus requires an approval process). Stupid law, which will force people back into smoking, while companies jump through hopes, but its still not a ban.
I sincerely hope they don't pass that load of garbage.
As a related thought, nicotine products are regarded as medicines here, in nz, by default (they never changed it, it already was that way). We are however allowed to import 3 months worth of nicotine containing anything, without it being locally approved, and thats the loophole we use.
In australia nicotine is classified as a poison, and likewise you can import it, but not purchase locally.
Now both laws need updating to allow e-cigs, but will people in the EU, still be able to import nicotine products brought in outside markets, like we can?
I see nothing in there about importation, or personal possesion, only market regs.
If so, it may be not so bad.
Theres an australian plant thats loaded with nicotine. It would be viable to extract from there, if its viable to farm (which is untried, because people currently use tobacco)
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Nicotine Sulfate is currently used as an acceptable organic pesticide, but that's not what we vape.
After Jan. 1 2014 it will no longer be sold as a pesticide per a request approved by the EPA in 2008.
I don't know, but your location says you live in Toronto, Canada.
Maybe you forgot to update your location?
Don't worry about it, i dont think they will bann vaping but the fda mite regulate vaping like cigs. No worrys. Vape long vape strong
Not even remotely!
E-cigs are a harm minimisation product, something that is a low harm alternative to a very addictive drug.
It is thus like methadone. No one would have a problem morally with taxing "junk" if it were legal, but taxing methadone would be actively encouraging use of "junk". Thats a morally quite difficult to defend position, and would create a crap storm.
Taxing booze and cigs is okay, because their presence as products creates measurable harm to society and individuals. E-cigs by comparison, remove existing harm from society. Even if it weren't for tobacco's popularity, e-cigs are basically equivilant to caffiene.
I personally do not see how you think these things are equivilant. You must at least be able to see that taxing a low harm alternative, actively encourages smoking, no?
If anything e-cigs should be _subsidized_.
And any government organisation, that is seen to be actively encouraging smoking, should to be prepared for some serious backlash IMO!
(That wont stop them from doing stupid things sometimes, but if any of these regulations go the wrong way, either in the US, or the EU, there will be a loud and definitive opposition voiced - there can't not be when, regardless of intention, a bad law will be causing tobacco smoking numbers to rise)
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