What's so great about temp control?

[Steamer861]

Do you have the source for that curve?

It's from Evolv
IMO vaping is never going to be 100% safe. There is a lot of info on chemicals released at higher temps while vaping just google it.
This is why TC makes sense

Generally I do burn tests, I keep mine around 390/400F So I guess I'm in the green Cotton starts burning around 400 I think so.... I've always stayed at or below.

I think it's a little higher than 400 but not much. A lot of people think TC is a fade or gimmick, it's not!
It's one of the best safety features on vaping devices. If your juice is vaporizing to hot it starts to contain way more un wanted chemicals

 

[Eskie]

It's from Evolv
IMO Vaping is never going to be 100% safe. There is a lot of info on chemicals released at higher temps while vaping just google it.
This is why TC makes sense



I think it's a little higher than 400 but not much. A lot of people think TC is a fade or gimmick, it's not!
It's one of the best safety features on vaping devices. If your juice is vaporizing to hot it starts to contain way more un wanted chemicals

I read that quickly and thought you started by saying "I'm from Evolv"

Yes, TC does make sense. For many reasons. I also really like Evolv. I have a whole bunch of their products. But I will call them out on that graph. The levels of aldehydes do not match that reported by several different researchers, either for e cigs or tobacco (again, you can't have a flat line across all temperatures and say one cigarette produces 1 mg of acetaldehyde). I get the benefits, I just don't like to see anyone, including Evolv, dress up results to match the conclusions most favorable to their product line.

 

[Ed_C]

That graph was originally posted by someone who had thought that this information had already been published by Evolv, which it had not. It's my understanding that he has a relationship with Evolv and I tend to believe this and believe this it did come from Evolv. It's my understanding that they are involved in research, but at this point nothing has been published. I understand that there are some surprises from this research, but I have no idea what they might be.

PS I believe the juice was 50/50 pg/vg.

 

[Canadian_Vaper]

But I will call them out on that graph. The levels of aldehydes do not match that reported by several different researchers, either for e cigs or tobacco

Their graphs are only useful for the setup they were using at the wattage/temp they were using and EVERY other setup will be different...

Temp control is by far the safest mode of vaping when set up properly, I'd love to see a starter kit created that uses only TC with SS, the Joyetech Ego One CT was kind of close mind you the coils were horrible and it was easy to accidentally change modes when you would turn it off to store in your pocket creating a potential harm..

A range of starter kits designed around this concept for different types of vapers, Have 3 preset temps 380-400-420, design coils for high pg and max vg that work well with those temps (6 coil heads)...

You would have a versatile, safer and more consistent device that would prevent dry hits that even a novice could use with extremely limited learning..

 

[Eskie]

Their graphs are only useful for the setup they were using at the wattage/temp they were using and EVERY other setup will be different...

Temp control is by far the safest mode of vaping when set up properly, I'd love to see a starter kit created that uses only TC with SS, the Joyetech Ego One CT was kind of close mind you the coils were horrible and it was easy to accidentally change modes when you would turn it off to store in your pocket creating a potential harm..

A range of starter kits designed around this concept for different types of vapers, Have 3 preset temps 380-400-420, design coils for high pg and max vg that work well with those temps (6 coil heads)...

You would have a versatile, safer and more consistent device that would prevent dry hits that even a novice could use with extremely limited learning..

Oh, I agree TC in a starter kit is an excellent idea. And one I'm sure closed system ENDS seeking approval will stress as a set safety feature, or maybe three different settings the user can choose (cool, medium, warm).

But looking at that graph, if it is really felt to be accurate, why does Evolv allow their TC to go over 450F all the way to 600F? By that curve, they are "endangering the health of their users". It's leaked, incomplete, and even poorly presented data that is fodder for the ANTZ crowd. "Look! Even the makers of these products admit they're dangerous".

 

[Canadian_Vaper]

But looking at that graph, if it is really felt to be accurate, why does Evolv allow their TC to go over 450F all the way to 600F? By that curve, they are "endangering the health of their users". It's leaked, incomplete, and even poorly presented data that is fodder for the ANTZ crowd. "Look! Even the makers of these products admit they're dangerous".

Makes sense to limit it, I never understood the 600f that's impossible to vape at when the device is calibrated correctly.. Limiting it at 480F would make sense it's the same level as a cig approx to their graph...

 

[SteveS45]

Saw this thread again and because of it I am vaping at 85 Watts and 450°F using TC mode enjoying a nice Green Apple Dew Berry DIY..........

 

[Fozzy71]

Saw this thread again and because of it I am vaping at 85 Watts and 450°F using TC mode enjoying a nice Green Apple Dew Berry DIY..........

vaping some diy scutch out of a boreas with 0.17ohm ss clapton build on my g2 at 95w/420f. blissful. down to the last couple mls of this bottle then just going to switch it up to some R-My4 DIY that I have 20ml of well steeped/ignored since 09Aug of last year lol before it is probably time to re-wick this tank.

 

[SteveS45]

Using the Kangertech Pangu with .5Ω SS316L coils. Such a smooth vape and cranked up to 460°F now!

 

[Fozzy71]

Using the Kangertech Pangu with .5Ω SS316L coils. Such a smooth vape and cranked up to 460°F now!

what about that scary Acetaldehyde??

 

[SteveS45]

None of that in my DIY~~!

 

[Eskie]

And here I am with my Strawberry Milk with Claptons at 0.25 ohm 450F 40W with a nice preheat for a warm, comfy vape.

Besides, if you're really paranoid about acetaldehyde, you'd best skip any any alcoholic beverage with dinner, as that's what ethanol is metabolized into before further processing to acetate. It's considered a metabolite of alcohol that correlates with ethanol use is a risk factor for cancer, especially the GI tract, liver (where it's mostly made), and head & neck.

 

[Ed_C]

But looking at that graph, if it is really felt to be accurate, why does Evolv allow their TC to go over 450F all the way to 600F? By that curve, they are "endangering the health of their users". It's leaked, incomplete, and even poorly presented data that is fodder for the ANTZ crowd. "Look! Even the makers of these products admit they're dangerous".

It's my understanding that this is new research and if accurate, Acetaldehyde can be produced at a lower temperature than once thought. I'm interested to read the full report.

As for it being leaked, yes that was an unfortunate accident and I don't think Evolv was happy about it.

 

[Steamer861]

But looking at that graph, if it is really felt to be accurate, why does Evolv allow their TC to go over 450F all the way to 600F?

Why do cars go up to 200 miles an hour when it's definitely not safe & the speed limit is only 65?

 

[Ryedan]

I first tried TC with a DNA40 a while back using Ni, Ti and SS. My vape didn't improve when I was set up temperature limited so I tried setups that were power limited with the TC just used as a backup to prevent dry hits. I didn't find the benefit worth messing with Ni or Ti and the DNA40 wasn't really accurate enough to make SS work well.

I'm sure TC has improved a lot since then, but I really don't feel the need for it these days. The tanks we have now are so good you almost have to work at it to get a dry hit, and it's been a really long time since I've had a burnt hit.

Then again, one of these days I'll get bored and probably give it a try again. Maybe

 

[Volition]

Every mod I have is in TC SS mode right now for this exact reason. Never get a dry/burnt hit even with a RDA. Now that I got a couple Hohm Wrecker G2's I can finally put all these spools of Kanthal back in rotation and try out this vape porn XXX mode using the FSK Curves.

Hey Foz,

Use Kanthal mode for Kanthal. It's more fine tuned. xXx is for all wires. So you won't dial it in as accurately. The Kanthal mode has the upper & lower limits already set to what is the typical Kanthal builds. However in the end it basically does the same thing.

Kanthal will have a setting around 6-17 in xXx mode, the Kanthal mode has a range of 0-100 but in essence that's just a fine tune where 0 is the same as 6 and 100 is 17 if you get my drift. Damn them g2's love TC on my Kanthal builds.