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David, you openly advertise that you use FlavorArt flavorants. What's the big deal? Why are you acting like its a state secret where you buy your nic juice?
It's the same as advertising where you buy your flavorants. You sell both in your DIY section.
Isn't the secret to your success that you have always stayed ahead of the rest? Here is an area the rest are ahead of you bud. They are listing their nic suppliers because it's natural that the single most dangerous ingredient that is of concern to ex-smokers is nicotine levels. Considering it is poison, why act like you trying to hide something?
We have been here for you before you got the sub forum. Especially me.
Have you forgot the time I devoted as a volunteer supplier associate, often choosing to work the board instead of using that time for sleep?
Who has been a bigger supporter?
I don't understand why you would act as if I've gone over to the dark side or something. The few times I've posted since stepping down as your SA has been here or on hardware supplier sub forums. The only juice vendor sub forum I have posted on was to get health info on TexasT when he was in the hospital.
So why the animosity? You have grown to the point where you no longer have to give samples or real sales like you used to.
Are you going to risk loosing some of your longest customers acting like you do have something to hide.
Customer loyalty begins with respect and openness. Don't tell us you use the finest ingredients, tell us which finest ingredient you use when it comes to nicotine juice. Osha doesn't inspect ingredients, the FDA does and I"thought" the idea was for juice vendors not to give them a reason to step in so big tobacco can use its money against the e-cig business.
What do you think is going to happen when nic suppliers have been found mislabeling the nic juice they are selling to juice vendors by dangerously high levels?
As I've done since we met, I made a simple suggestion that would stop all the speculation and the email and probably more public campaigns your competitors are using attempting to associate you with the nic supplier in question.
It would be one thing if it was out of the blue. But the DIY forum posters have publicly posted they bought their nic juice from that supplier because it's also where you buy yours and you never said they were wrong. I even thought you had posted here that you used it. I guess that was on our associate elist or something since you say you haven't posted it here.
The point is; all you have to do is post right next to where you advertise you use FA flavorants on your website, you simply add, and we use only ABC nic juice for our nicotine and all the naysayers would be cut off at the knees.
If you don't consider your flavorant supplier a trade secret why would you consider your nic supplier one? You sell both flavorants and nic juice in your DIY section. I don't DIY so it doesn't effect me. But why not reassure your customers that do?
Like I've said, it is a win-win for you. The only reply to my posts on this thread before were, "you agree with my statements". Why are you acting like I'm accusing you when I was publicly accused of being a FSUSA zealot when I started responding in this thread? It isn't like I'm saying anything different than my first reply.
CORRECTION: My comments about "this thread" are off since you closed that thread. So I'm just asking these few common sense questions here in a new thread.
You have to remember, businesses don't simply say you know us and we sell to family. Madoff said the same thing and look how that worked out.
You simply set your loyal customers' mind at ease by making public disclosure. Why would you have a problem or consider it an insult to simply suggest you list your nic supplier like the other vendors are doing? Remember all the trouble regarding a certain ingredient? It wasn't your ingredient, it was an ingredient of your supplier. Yet you suffered for it. That supplier removed the ingredient and made full disclosure to reassure you all, his customers. Shouldn't you do the same with us?
Well I guess you'll either delete this post or lock this thread to. So rest assured, I'll just keep my future suggestions to myself. Silly me. I got too nostalgic and recalled when you valued my opinions.
David, you openly advertise that you use FlavorArt flavorants. What's the big deal? Why are you acting like its a state secret where you buy your nic juice?
It's the same as advertising where you buy your flavorants. You sell both in your DIY section.Isn't the secret to your success that you have always stayed ahead of the rest? Here is an area the rest are ahead of you bud. They are listing their nic suppliers because it's natural that the single most dangerous ingredient that is of concern to ex-smokers is nicotine levels. Considering it is poison, why act like you trying to hide something?
We have been here for you before you got the sub forum. Especially me.
Have you forgot the time I devoted as a volunteer supplier associate, often choosing to work the board instead of using that time for sleep? Who has been a bigger supporter?I don't understand why you would act as if I've gone over to the dark side or something. The few times I've posted since stepping down as your SA has been here or on hardware supplier sub forums. The only juice vendor sub forum I have posted on was to get health info on TexasT when he was in the hospital.
So why the animosity? You have grown to the point where you no longer have to give samples or real sales like you used to.
Are you going to risk loosing some of your longest customers acting like you do have something to hide.Customer loyalty begins with respect and openness. Don't tell us you use the finest ingredients, tell us which finest ingredient you use when it comes to nicotine juice. Osha doesn't inspect ingredients, the FDA does and I"thought" the idea was for juice vendors not to give them a reason to step in so big tobacco can use its money against the e-cig business.
What do you think is going to happen when nic suppliers have been found mislabeling the nic juice they are selling to juice vendors by dangerously high levels?
As I've done since we met, I made a simple suggestion that would stop all the speculation and the email and probably more public campaigns your competitors are using attempting to associate you with the nic supplier in question.
It would be one thing if it was out of the blue. But the DIY forum posters have publicly posted they bought their nic juice from that supplier because it's also where you buy yours and you never said they were wrong. I even thought you had posted here that you used it. I guess that was on our associate elist or something since you say you haven't posted it here.
The point is; all you have to do is post right next to where you advertise you use FA flavorants on your website, you simply add, and we use only ABC nic juice for our nicotine and all the naysayers would be cut off at the knees.
If you don't consider your flavorant supplier a trade secret why would you consider your nic supplier one? You sell both flavorants and nic juice in your DIY section. I don't DIY so it doesn't effect me. But why not reassure your customers that do?
Like I've said, it is a win-win for you. The only reply to my posts on this thread before were, "you agree with my statements". Why are you acting like I'm accusing you when I was publicly accused of being a FSUSA zealot when I started responding in this thread? It isn't like I'm saying anything different than my first reply.
CORRECTION: My comments about "this thread" are off since you closed that thread. So I'm just asking these few common sense questions here in a new thread.
You have to remember, businesses don't simply say you know us and we sell to family. Madoff said the same thing and look how that worked out.
You simply set your loyal customers' mind at ease by making public disclosure. Why would you have a problem or consider it an insult to simply suggest you list your nic supplier like the other vendors are doing? Remember all the trouble regarding a certain ingredient? It wasn't your ingredient, it was an ingredient of your supplier. Yet you suffered for it. That supplier removed the ingredient and made full disclosure to reassure you all, his customers. Shouldn't you do the same with us?
Well I guess you'll either delete this post or lock this thread to. So rest assured, I'll just keep my future suggestions to myself. Silly me. I got too nostalgic and recalled when you valued my opinions.
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