What's the deal with steeping?

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Tonee N

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if heat kills a juice, then what happens when you vape it at 300+F??? ;)
It becomes vaporized.[emoji6]

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A little(?) off topic and a thread away but I've been very interested in an experiment in which a member took fresh eLiquid and vacuum sealed it to speed up the steep time and I'm just wondering if you could explain the chemistry going on..... I was told the juice will boil out alcohols wen vacuuming simply by expelling the air in the process. I'm working with a food saver, I bought a marinating container and I know it will keep a seal, but for how long? Is it a visual thing, darkened color, or where the bubbles/froth disappears? I wanna ask before I ruin a valuable juice!
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Well, the temperature the liquid boils at depends on the pressure. For example water boils at 100 Celsius at normal atmospheric pressure. The lower pressure is, the lower is boiling point.
So, generally speaking using vacuum you will make highly volatile solvents to evaporate even quicker. This includes ethanol and water. I don't think you are able to create enough vacuum to make VG boil at room temperature though.
Be aware that solvents will take some flavour with them when being evaporated. Not much, but still...

Most useful "visual clue" is bubbles disappeared\significantly reduced. The colour changes should not be noticeable in such a short period of time..

And general rule is - try a new trick on a small amount of material and compare. Experiment more.

Oh, and the most important thing - removing the solvent (with vacuum or whatever) will not improve steeping time. It's a different part of a story :)
 
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Well, if you could actually say what you disagree with...

And opinion? Seriously? I'm stating experience, and facts here... There's a reason that most long term DIYers do use some sort of device to do the mixing here. I've done a bunch of tests, and didn't say a single thing that was "because I believe something I read somewhere" here, I've actually done hundreds of bottles (aka a couple of gallons' worth at least) by now if I was to take a guess.

It's one thing to state valid points, another to say "I don't use something because I don't think I need to".



No chemical reaction? Dang.. time for you to go back to school if you don't understand that molecules combining (aka Chemical Bonding) into compounds and such, are 100% a chemical reaction.

Not sure why you have such a problem with peopled disagreeing with you, but you seem to. I've said what I need to say in this thread. No, I don't use a mixer, and I don't think they are necessary, as you did seem to suggest. Appreciate your input.
 

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Not sure why you have such a problem with peopled disagreeing with you, but you seem to. I've said what I need to say in this thread. No, I don't use a mixer, and I don't think they are necessary, as you did seem to suggest. Appreciate your input.
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Considering that you're on a quest to try and prove something from thread to thread, I say that you're just getting petty at this point.

I never said that you can't DIY without a mixing device, simply that it has many advantages. Advantages that makes it absolutely worth while to have.

If you don't want these advantages, then do whatever you want.... that's all there is to it.
 
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Sorry you have such a problem with me responding to notifications as I receive them, or indeed as I see fit.

What is it that bothers you so much about how others use this public forum? Seriously.

You do whatever you need to do.
As per the other thread where you're "stalking me" today (did your buddies call you in to assist with the harassment?)... I'm providing proper info, knowledge and such to assist others.... what are you doing? Personal and childish attacks.
 
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@Imfallen_Angel Well, I wasn't going to reply at all, but since it's taking the mods a while to go over the report, I'll just say that's flat out ridiculous. In one thread, I disagreed with your opinion. In another, I had to correct your extremely wrong information. So I'm perfectly fine with how I handled this and while you have been ignored moving forward, I refuse to let your baseless and frankly unhinged accusations just sit out here. It is coming off as though you have an issue believing you are being persecuted when really people are either just disagreeing with your opinion or having to correct something factually wrong that you are pushing.
 
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So we dealt with steeping, shaking, aerating, and vacuuming. But what about gravity? Can you actually get a good mix of your juice on the ISS? Because if you can't mix juice in space, there's no way I'm going to Mars.
You can probably mix it really good,. You just dump it out and mix it up as it floats, then just herd it back into the bottle. I think squonking would be the best type of device in space, no?

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So we dealt with steeping, shaking, aerating, and vacuuming. But what about gravity? Can you actually get a good mix of your juice on the ISS? Because if you can't mix juice in space, there's no way I'm going to Mars.

thermodynamics overpower gravity when one has to deal with molecular weight of various chemical compounds that are nearly equal in weight ;)
 

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You can probably mix it really good,. You just dump it out and mix it up as it floats, then just herd it back into the bottle. I think squonking would be the best type of device in space, no?

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ummm no... you need gravity to pool the excess fluid back to the bottom of the atty to be able to "suck" the fluid excess back into the bottle... the better atty to use would be a genny ;)
 

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Interesting thread, some good thoughts expressed, and I don't have too much to add.

Just one thing: Steeping seems to me to be a misnomer.
Steeping is the soaking in liquid (usually water) of a solid so as to extract flavours or to soften it. The specific process of teas being prepared for drinking by leaving the leaves in heated water to release the flavour and nutrients is known as steeping.
-wikipedia

I believe a more accurate descriptive term would be melding. That is the main process that makes the left-over pot roast more scruptious than it was on day one.

Someone else may have made this point already. I admit to not having read the entire thread. And I sure as heck don't think this observation is going to have any influence on the use of the word steeping in this context, LOL.

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Interesting thread, some good thoughts expressed, and I don't have too much to add.

Just one thing: Steeping seems to me to be a misnomer.


I believe a more accurate descriptive term would be melding. That is the main process that makes the left-over pot roast more scruptious than it was on day one.

Someone else may have made this point already. I admit to not having read the entire thread. And I sure as heck don't think this observation is going to have any influence on the use of the word steeping in this context, LOL.

Believe me.

aging... thats the word that needs to be used... :) fine alcohol is aged, wine is aged, cheese is aged.... tea is steeped ;)
and finally... E-juice is vaped, not smoked ( well unless you get a dry hit ;) )
 
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aging... thats the word that needs to be used... :) fine alcohol is aged, wine is aged, cheese is aged....
And why are they aged? Melding improves their flavor over time.

Perhaps I am showing partiality as a Star Trek fan? [naw]

But, let's be honest with ourselves here ... neither melding nor aging are going to be accepted. Steeping is cast in stone in the vaping community.

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And why are they aged? Melding improves their flavor over time.

Perhaps I am showing partiality as a Star Trek fan? [naw]

But, let's be honest with ourselves here ... neither melding nor aging are going to be accepted. Steeping is cast in stone in the vaping community.

Believe me.

yup it is... since it had its beginings in the original world of e-juice when tobacco was used to make ejuice in which it was actually steeped since it was a solid material being soaked in a liquid ( as is tea in water)... but makes me wonder why the same people who use the word steep dont use the word smoke... it looks like smoke, it floats like smoke, it makes people who dont smoke/vape act like its gonna kill them ( waves hands and coughs)...

so... is it I steep, therefore I smoke??? ;) lol Id rather vape and age then smoke and die :)
 

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I've been DIY'ing liquid for almost four years.

For stirring, do what I do. Cut up a coat hanger and make a tiny hockey stick out of a 3-4" section (longer for bigger bottles). Make the bend short enough to fit through the mouth of the bottle. Attach it to a drill motor, insert into bottle and let the motor do the work.

I think there is a good chance that some chemical reactions occur over the time that we're steeping, and I think that most of the reactions are oxidation. Nicotine oxidizes and so do many flavor compounds. If there's any alcohol in the brew, then that too will oxidize and change flavor.

The smaller the amount of volatile compounds you have, the less time it takes for everything to taste right together. Mixing well during the process helps because it exposes those volatile compounds to a fresh breath of Oxygen every time you do it.

Because of the oxidation process, a lot of complex recipes are likely to change colors, and the color change is a good indicator of the recipe's maturity.
 
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