What's your favorite Five Pawn Juice?

[Mr.Mann]

For those that still support 5P, now is the best time since they are being liquidated from a few shops.

FIVE PAWNS - MOST AWESOME E-LIQUIDATION ($13.99)


All eLiquids - Five Pawns - The Juice Broker (Not being liquidated per se, but still selling for $15.99).


Five Pawns e-Liquid (on sale, seemingly a permanent sale, for $17.50)

Keep your eyes out because you can now find sales like never before, even 5P had a BOGO sale.

 

[Ca Ike]

I asked the question because i was considering trying their stuff but not if the levels of diketones are higher than real cigs which turned out to be the case with some of their offerings.

Scottitude was kind enough to answer my question , every thread on the planet sways somewhat off course , they always have because thats the nature of them .

Now if i had asked what everyones take was on Zack Greinke signing a multi million dollar deal with the Diamondbacks i agree that has no relevance.

What i asked was something related to FP juice line that i wanted to know about since it is a recent event , unless your the OP of the thread just ignore it if you don't like it.

Posting about he lawsuit isn't answering your question, nor is it proof 5P hasn't made changes. I mentioned the new test results posted on FP site as an answer to you.

Their original series of testing using several different GC/MS methods were all lower than cloud nines tests by a huge amount, but all were different results from the same batch. That's why the battle. Not that they were there but the big discrepancy. FP was already reformulating some of their flavors before all that mess happened and a couple were dropped completely. I started vaping FP because they were one of only a few not adding diacetyl or ap as a stand alone ingredient.

 

[440BB]

I started vaping FP because they were one of only a few not adding diacetyl or ap as a stand alone ingredient.

I know of no liquid maker that directly adds those chemicals to their liquid. Most liquid makers claim "no added diacetyl or acetyl propionol", which is a technically correct marketing ploy. They are within the flavorings they choose. As those chemicals are already present in certain flavorings it is up to the liquid makers to use them or not. Some liquid makers avoided them for years, but some chose those flavorings either intentionally or out of ignorance. Five Pawns chose some flavorings which included them.

If you're comfortable with those chemicals and feel it's not a big deal, anybody's liquid is OK. If you are concerned about them, check each liquid flavor for test results. At this point, any claims made without test results are suspect.

 

[Ca Ike]

I know of no liquid maker that directly adds those chemicals to their liquid. Most liquid makers claim "no added diacetyl or acetyl propionol", which is a technically correct marketing ploy. They are within the flavorings they choose. As those chemicals are already present in certain flavorings it is up to the liquid makers to use them or not. Some liquid makers avoided them for years, but some chose those flavorings either intentionally or out of ignorance. Five Pawns chose some flavorings which included them.

If you're comfortable with those chemicals and feel it's not a big deal, anybody's liquid is OK. If you are concerned about them, check each liquid flavor for test results. At this point, any claims made without test results are suspect.

There is hypocrisy in this though. If you require it of one industry that has them, then it should be required of all industries that has them.

There is also a bit of fear mongering going on as well or " guilt by association " if you prefer. In the popcorn industry, the lung damage came from these ingredients being inhaled in their raw powder form. Not after being mixed. I'll post the link to that info once I find it again.

 

[herb]

Posting about he lawsuit isn't answering your question, nor is it proof 5P hasn't made changes. I mentioned the new test results posted on FP site as an answer to you.

Their original series of testing using several different GC/MS methods were all lower than cloud nines tests by a huge amount, but all were different results from the same batch. That's why the battle. Not that they were there but the big discrepancy. FP was already reformulating some of their flavors before all that mess happened and a couple were dropped completely. I started vaping FP because they were one of only a few not adding diacetyl or ap as a stand alone ingredient.

Thanks for your comment

 

[herb]

I know of no liquid maker that directly adds those chemicals to their liquid. Most liquid makers claim "no added diacetyl or acetyl propionol", which is a technically correct marketing ploy. They are within the flavorings they choose. As those chemicals are already present in certain flavorings it is up to the liquid makers to use them or not. Some liquid makers avoided them for years, but some chose those flavorings either intentionally or out of ignorance. Five Pawns chose some flavorings which included them.

If you're comfortable with those chemicals and feel it's not a big deal, anybody's liquid is OK. If you are concerned about them, check each liquid flavor for test results. At this point, any claims made without test results are suspect.

Thats exactly right , unfortunately, many vendors change up their juices when they get a bad rap for having high levels of anything that is not desirable .

Imo , i do not trust any vendor who does their own "in house" testing , it's a given that what they come up with and what an outside testing facility will come up with will show very different results but thats not surprising .

The only surefire way to insure accurate test results is to randomly select juices at different times of the year without tipping the vendor off as to prevent sudden changes to their products.

Same philosophy as to why random drug tests are given , can't let the person know when it's going to happen or you skew the results .

If a vendor knows it's juices are about to be tested you can be sure they will be sending samples that are going to come out looking good to the public.

Anyway's , thats all i have to say about it .

 

[Ca Ike]

The tests FP has are done by an outside certified lab, not inhouse. I have heard that a lot of juice makers are using that same lab.

 

[herb]

The tests FP has are done by an outside certified lab, not inhouse. I have heard that a lot of juice makers are using that same lab.

I said i won't discuss this matter anymore in here but you seem to want to continue

In the popcorn industry, the lung damage came from these ingredients being inhaled in their raw powder form. Not after being mixed. I'll post the link to that info once I find it again.

FP does "in house" testing and outside testing , problem is they can't be trusted , do you really think they send the same juice to the lab that they do their customers , c, mon.

Nearly every juice company that has juice sent out for testing knows that workaround all too well , thats why it's a must to pull juice to be tested randomly .

Direct all future posts to the below:

Five Pawns Class Action Lawsuit

 

[USACelt]

For what it is worth, Food companies do the same. In house testing and provide the results to the USDA.
Another fine example is MSG got a bad rap(and justifiably so) so what did the food producers do? They simply changed the name. ALmost 5 different names for
the chemical equivalent to MSG. And because they are really in charge of the label and testing they put "NO MSG" on the front of the package and fool the unsuspecting customer.

 

[Marco Auciello]

I also like Castle Long. Its taste is just amazing.

 

[herb]

For what it is worth, Food companies do the same. In house testing and provide the results to the USDA.
Another fine example is MSG got a bad rap(and justifiably so) so what did the food producers do? They simply changed the name. ALmost 5 different names for
the chemical equivalent to MSG. And because they are really in charge of the label and testing they put "NO MSG" on the front of the package and fool the unsuspecting customer.

Feeling much better about this now , got to love honesty lol.