When it comes to devices where does the true responsibility for safety rest

[Jman8]

In the case of the e-liquid, if I use certain flavorings, and the flavoring manufacturer changes the recipe and informs me, I should pass on that information. If they don't inform me, I should probably be sampling my product at times throughout my process for QC. If it just slips past me and what you received is not what you reasonably expected to receive, that too is my responsibility, thought it may not be my fault.

I think if a flavoring is changed at the chemical level and one thing is substituted for another, then I doubt M/V would share this with the customer. Some might, I think most wouldn't. Especially if it were thought to not affect flavor. You know the DA thing is occurring to me as I write this. Though that does affect flavor, and that would very likely be communicated in today's vaping market. But if it were some other chemical, and it wasn't perceived to affect flavor, I think it might not be communicated up front.

I feel like in my years of vaping that vendors change recipes fairly often and that it is either never communicated or rarely. I actually think lots of businesses that are selling things with flavor might not communicate the change or would promote it if they really wanted it to be known (a la New Coke).

As for mechanical wear and tear. If something functions as it should when purchased, and then wears out, that's not necessarily a defect. Even if it was designed to be made of cheap materials that will only last for X amount of days, that is not a defect, it's underhanded and shameful but that's something altogether different.

I'd like to address this further while trying to get back to topic of the thread. But alas, I'm not up to speed with mechanical specs for more advanced gear. So, let's say a Provari is understood to last about 3 years, and I get one and it last me 6 months before it stops working. Setting aside discussion of it being under warranty and I get it replaced, I'm saying that without an obvious flaw presented to me (or say vendor when I take it to them and show them) that this is not manufacturer's responsibility for the defect. And that wonderful customer service by M/V would likely lead to me getting replacement, but that doesn't mean for me that they admit they did something wrong. Nor should they.

In terms of safety, almost all the cases I've seen (of exploding batteries) has shown up as (most likely) user error. I don't get that impression from media, but from the folks here, and these good folks strike me as around 100 times more knowledgeable than pretty much anyone in the media. Yet, media presents it as defective product some of the time, while mostly spinning it, IMO, as vaping is inherently dangerous, or really as inherently defective.

I know I agree with @Bad Ninja in this thread who again strikes me as far more knowledgeable than anyone in media. I don't necessarily or immediately think of exploding battery as user error, but in almost all instances I'm aware of it strikes me as user was irresponsible in the situation that lead to the battery exploding.

 

[Plumes.91]

I'm saying... TO THE MANUFACTURERS:

Continue manufacturing our mass-produced RDAs to the safest BEST of your abilities. Continue employing the best quality control checks & standards that you possibly can employ. Do your best to make the devices we are currently using today, safe, the same way you've been doing your best to keep em' safe. Past that, it is up to each individual vaper. Simple as that....... I'm not going to blame the vendor, the manufacturer, OR the end-user, for everything. The Manufacturer, the Vendor, AND the end-user, ALL SHARE IN THE RESPONSIBILITY! ALL THREE MAKE-UP A TRINITY OF SAFETY! ALL threeee must carry safety on their shoulders. The manufacturer must utilize the knowledge we have today on how to manufacture an RDA design that the market wants, to the safest of their ability. The vendor must do the vendor's part, by posting warnings and/or posting SAFE USE PRACTICES for the end-user to access+read. The MANUFACTURER should/must also carry a responsibility to include warnings/safe-use-practices-pamphlets INSIDE THE BOX! (in my opinion, this would help keep the end-user safe) and the END USERS has a responsibility to educate themselves on how to use that RDA to the safest of their ability. The end user has the responsibility to READ those warnings IN THE BOX, or ON THE PRODUCT PAGE UNDER THE PRODUCT INFORMATION AND SPECS SECTION. That is MY idear of a GOOD safety trinity. Simple!!

& if the end-user goes and pops a 25amp battery into an unprotected mechanical mod, FAILS to read-up on battery safety, FAILS to read the warnings and safe-use information both on the vendor's website and in the product's box- & they use that 25amp battery in that mechanical mod with a build that draws MORE than 25 amps, & they fail to STOP using that mod when A. the battery tube heats up, or B. The firing button begins to heat up... Well then, that is the end-user's FAULT for not educating one's self on the dangers of misusing these devices/accessories... & if the battery vents/etc, it's end-user's fault. It's end-user's issue for having used the device/accessory in a way that was UNSAFE!

Sadly, I recently read a news-report about a boy that lost his front teeth due-to a mod exploding in his face, rocketing the drip-tip down his esophagus- & then, the drip-tip apparently broke-apart inside of his esophagus as-well, in addition-to the mod exploding. It burned his face & really messed-up his insides. WELL, the news reporter went to the local vape-shop in this particular boy's neighborhood/area. The person behind the counter in the vape shop (IE: the vape-shop clerk) was asked the following question: WHY would this e-cigarette "mod" have exploded in this boy's face? Are these devices inherantly unsafe? Was this the fault of the device? Was this the fault of the manufacturer of the device? Was this the fault of the young man whom was using the device in an unsafe manner? Was the device tampered-with? Is this the fault of the battery used within the device? WHOM IS AT FAULT HERE, ma'am!?"

The woman (paraphrased a bit) replied: "That boy was using a battery WAY too powerful for that thing... He was using a battery way too powerful for the mod. He shouldn't have used such a powerful battery, and it wouldn't have had enough power within it to have created such an explosion... The battery was too powerful for that mod, and honestly, it's user-error if anything."

...Are you kidding me? THE CLERK OF A VAPE SHOP said this?? The CLERK of a VAPE SHOP actually made an on-the-record statement, stating that the user had a battery "TOO POWERFUL" for the mod? How could she possibly not understand the fact that the reason this battery exploded was due-to either a SHORT, or it was due to the battery being UNDER powered? I just don't get how this country can have such ignorant people both living within in as citizens, and running it, as career politicians/elected officials. It's truly a sad sad time for America. The avg American cannot find the US on a map? Is that a true statistic, or am I just dumb enough to BELIEVE it? Either way, SAD! hahaha...

 

[Lessifer]

I think if a flavoring is changed at the chemical level and one thing is substituted for another, then I doubt M/V would share this with the customer. Some might, I think most wouldn't. Especially if it were thought to not affect flavor. You know the DA thing is occurring to me as I write this. Though that does affect flavor, and that would very likely be communicated in today's vaping market. But if it were some other chemical, and it wasn't perceived to affect flavor, I think it might not be communicated up front.

I feel like in my years of vaping that vendors change recipes fairly often and that it is either never communicated or rarely. I actually think lots of businesses that are selling things with flavor might not communicate the change or would promote it if they really wanted it to be known (a la New Coke).



I'd like to address this further while trying to get back to topic of the thread. But alas, I'm not up to speed with mechanical specs for more advanced gear. So, let's say a Provari is understood to last about 3 years, and I get one and it last me 6 months before it stops working. Setting aside discussion of it being under warranty and I get it replaced, I'm saying that without an obvious flaw presented to me (or say vendor when I take it to them and show them) that this is not manufacturer's responsibility for the defect. And that wonderful customer service by M/V would likely lead to me getting replacement, but that doesn't mean for me that they admit they did something wrong. Nor should they.

In terms of safety, almost all the cases I've seen (of exploding batteries) has shown up as (most likely) user error. I don't get that impression from media, but from the folks here, and these good folks strike me as around 100 times more knowledgeable than pretty much anyone in the media. Yet, media presents it as defective product some of the time, while mostly spinning it, IMO, as vaping is inherently dangerous, or really as inherently defective.

I know I agree with @Bad Ninja in this thread who again strikes me as far more knowledgeable than anyone in media. I don't necessarily or immediately think of exploding battery as user error, but in almost all instances I'm aware of it strikes me as user was irresponsible in the situation that lead to the battery exploding.

With the flavors, again, I wouldn't say they're "at fault" but they are responsible if the customer is unhappy, as the product was not what the consumer had a reasonable expectation to receive.

As for vape gear and batteries exploding, almost every case of a mech exploding is a result of user error. I actually don't know of any that weren't user error, but maybe I missed something. As for regulated mods and battery issues, some have been user error, i.e. using the wrong charger, and some have been defects like a bad chip that auto fires or a battery not being secured in place.

Personally I would hold the regulated mod makers accountable for a defective chip. I would not hold a mech mod maker accountable for some user matching the wrong battery to a given resistance.

 

[Lessifer]

I'm saying... TO THE MANUFACTURERS:

Continue manufacturing our mass-produced RDAs to the safest BEST of your abilities. Continue employing the best quality control checks & standards that you possibly can employ. Do your best to make the devices we are currently using today, safe, the same way you've been doing your best to keep em' safe. Past that, it is up to each individual vaper. Simple as that....... I'm not going to blame the vendor, the manufacturer, OR the end-user, for everything. The Manufacturer, the Vendor, AND the end-user, ALL SHARE IN THE RESPONSIBILITY! ALL THREE MAKE-UP A TRINITY OF SAFETY! ALL threeee must carry safety on their shoulders. The manufacturer must utilize the knowledge we have today on how to manufacture an RDA design that the market wants, to the safest of their ability. The vendor must do the vendor's part, by posting warnings and/or posting SAFE USE PRACTICES for the end-user to access+read. The MANUFACTURER should/must also carry a responsibility to include warnings/safe-use-practices-pamphlets INSIDE THE BOX! (in my opinion, this would help keep the end-user safe) and the END USERS has a responsibility to educate themselves on how to use that RDA to the safest of their ability. The end user has the responsibility to READ those warnings IN THE BOX, or ON THE PRODUCT PAGE UNDER THE PRODUCT INFORMATION AND SPECS SECTION. That is MY idear of a GOOD safety trinity. Simple!!

& if the end-user goes and pops a 25amp battery into an unprotected mechanical mod, FAILS to read-up on battery safety, FAILS to read the warnings and safe-use information both on the vendor's website and in the product's box- & they use that 25amp battery in that mechanical mod with a build that draws MORE than 25 amps, & they fail to STOP using that mod when A. the battery tube heats up, or B. The firing button begins to heat up... Well then, that is the end-user's FAULT for not educating one's self on the dangers of misusing these devices/accessories... & if the battery vents/etc, it's end-user's fault. It's end-user's issue for having used the device/accessory in a way that was UNSAFE!

Sadly, I recently read a news-report about a boy that lost his front teeth due-to a mod exploding in his face, rocketing the drip-tip down his esophagus- & then, the drip-tip apparently broke-apart inside of his esophagus as-well, in addition-to the mod exploding. It burned his face & really messed-up his insides. WELL, the news reporter went to the local vape-shop in this particular boy's neighborhood/area. The person behind the counter in the vape shop (IE: the vape-shop clerk) was asked the following question: WHY would this e-cigarette "mod" have exploded in this boy's face? Are these devices inherantly unsafe? Was this the fault of the device? Was this the fault of the manufacturer of the device? Was this the fault of the young man whom was using the device in an unsafe manner? Was the device tampered-with? Is this the fault of the battery used within the device? WHOM IS AT FAULT HERE, ma'am!?"

The woman (paraphrased a bit) replied: "That boy was using a battery WAY too powerful for that thing... He was using a battery way too powerful for the mod. He shouldn't have used such a powerful battery, and it wouldn't have had enough power within it to have created such an explosion... The battery was too powerful for that mod, and honestly, it's user-error if anything."

...Are you kidding me? THE CLERK OF A VAPE SHOP said this?? The CLERK of a VAPE SHOP actually made an on-the-record statement, stating that the user had a battery "TOO POWERFUL" for the mod? How could she possibly not understand the fact that the reason this battery exploded was due-to either a SHORT, or it was due to the battery being UNDER powered? I just don't get how this country can have such ignorant people both living within in as citizens, and running it, as career politicians/elected officials. It's truly a sad sad time for America. The avg American cannot find the US on a map? Is that a true statistic, or am I just dumb enough to BELIEVE it? Either way, SAD! hahaha...

Just out of curiosity, would you ask a mcdonald's counter clerk about heart disease and/or diabetes?

It would be fantastic if every vape shop employee were knowledgeable, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

 

[Woofer]

It's truly a sad sad time for America. The avg American cannot find the US on a map? Is that a true statistic, or am I just dumb enough to BELIEVE it?

 

[Bad Ninja]

I'm saying... TO THE MANUFACTURERS:

Continue manufacturing our mass-produced RDAs to the safest BEST of your abilities. Continue employing the best quality control checks & standards that you possibly can employ. Do your best to make the devices we are currently using today, safe, the same way you've been doing your best to keep em' safe. Past that, it is up to each individual vaper. Simple as that....... I'm not going to blame the vendor, the manufacturer, OR the end-user, for everything. The Manufacturer, the Vendor, AND the end-user, ALL SHARE IN THE RESPONSIBILITY! ALL THREE MAKE-UP A TRINITY OF SAFETY! ALL threeee must carry safety on their shoulders. The manufacturer must utilize the knowledge we have today on how to manufacture an RDA design that the market wants, to the safest of their ability. The vendor must do the vendor's part, by posting warnings and/or posting SAFE USE PRACTICES for the end-user to access+read. The MANUFACTURER should/must also carry a responsibility to include warnings/safe-use-practices-pamphlets INSIDE THE BOX! (in my opinion, this would help keep the end-user safe) and the END USERS has a responsibility to educate themselves on how to use that RDA to the safest of their ability. The end user has the responsibility to READ those warnings IN THE BOX, or ON THE PRODUCT PAGE UNDER THE PRODUCT INFORMATION AND SPECS SECTION. That is MY idear of a GOOD safety trinity. Simple!!

& if the end-user goes and pops a 25amp battery into an unprotected mechanical mod, FAILS to read-up on battery safety, FAILS to read the warnings and safe-use information both on the vendor's website and in the product's box- & they use that 25amp battery in that mechanical mod with a build that draws MORE than 25 amps, & they fail to STOP using that mod when A. the battery tube heats up, or B. The firing button begins to heat up... Well then, that is the end-user's FAULT for not educating one's self on the dangers of misusing these devices/accessories... & if the battery vents/etc, it's end-user's fault. It's end-user's issue for having used the device/accessory in a way that was UNSAFE!

Sadly, I recently read a news-report about a boy that lost his front teeth due-to a mod exploding in his face, rocketing the drip-tip down his esophagus- & then, the drip-tip apparently broke-apart inside of his esophagus as-well, in addition-to the mod exploding. It burned his face & really messed-up his insides. WELL, the news reporter went to the local vape-shop in this particular boy's neighborhood/area. The person behind the counter in the vape shop (IE: the vape-shop clerk) was asked the following question: WHY would this e-cigarette "mod" have exploded in this boy's face? Are these devices inherantly unsafe? Was this the fault of the device? Was this the fault of the manufacturer of the device? Was this the fault of the young man whom was using the device in an unsafe manner? Was the device tampered-with? Is this the fault of the battery used within the device? WHOM IS AT FAULT HERE, ma'am!?"

The woman (paraphrased a bit) replied: "That boy was using a battery WAY too powerful for that thing... He was using a battery way too powerful for the mod. He shouldn't have used such a powerful battery, and it wouldn't have had enough power within it to have created such an explosion... The battery was too powerful for that mod, and honestly, it's user-error if anything."

...Are you kidding me? THE CLERK OF A VAPE SHOP said this?? The CLERK of a VAPE SHOP actually made an on-the-record statement, stating that the user had a battery "TOO POWERFUL" for the mod? How could she possibly not understand the fact that the reason this battery exploded was due-to either a SHORT, or it was due to the battery being UNDER powered? I just don't get how this country can have such ignorant people both living within in as citizens, and running it, as career politicians/elected officials. It's truly a sad sad time for America. The avg American cannot find the US on a map? Is that a true statistic, or am I just dumb enough to BELIEVE it? Either way, SAD! hahaha...

Couple things to consider.
From a mechanical mod manufacturers point of view, a 7amp battery can be as safe as a 20 amp battery.
The danger arises from the build.

There is no way the manufacturer can be responsible for every flawed scenario a user may choose.
This is why they are made for user who know what they are doing.

As far as expecting a minimum wage ( probably part-time) clerk giving you enough education over the counter to use a mechanical mod safely, that is pure lunacy.
People like that are dangerous and should probably just stick to cig-a-likes, so they don't hurt themselves or people around them.

 

[Rossum]

Future voters...

 

[Marc411]

That's very scary

 

[DaveP]

Some Chinese manufacturers are definitely slack on quality control. It's sad that many vape shops will sell high amp mods to new vapers without proper training and safety overviews.

These days, I tend to buy my mods at a local trusted B&M where the owner has been in the vape business since 2009 from her basement and a couple of years in several retail locations in surrounding cities. I was one of her local basement customers the first couple of years I vaped. I keep the receipt handy in case it fails in the warranty period. That's paid off several times. I pay about 20% more, but it's worth it not to have to deal with online warranty fulfillment through email and USPS.

Her shop is one that obviously hires vapers and trains the employees in her stocked items. They can pick up the two mods you are looking at and quote the specs for comparison and talk about the positives and negatives without looking at the spec sheet. They are right on most of the time and they know about the ECF forum discussions on most of the brands, along with the issues. She has a forum presence here on ECF in the vendor forums - Stormy's Vapor Cellar.

 

[Plumes.91]

Couple things to consider.
From a mechanical mod manufacturers point of view, a 7amp battery can be as safe as a 20 amp battery.
The danger arises from the build.

There is no way the manufacturer can be responsible for every flawed scenario a user may choose.
This is why they are made for user who know what they are doing.

As far as expecting a minimum wage ( probably part-time) clerk giving you enough education over the counter to use a mechanical mod safely, that is pure lunacy.
People like that are dangerous and should probably just stick to cig-a-likes, so they don't hurt themselves or people around them.

I expect an effort to be made in all three of the triad i spoke of. I do not expect the manufacturers to feel responsible for user-error. I expect the manufacturer to make today's current tech and today's current devices and accessories as quality and as safe as they possibly can, while still keeping the devices/accessories at the prices & the quality that we've come to expect, and I think the manufacturers are doing a good job of this. I have worked minimum wage all of my life & I do not expect anyone earning minimum wage to go above and beyond, although I DO expect someone working in a vape-shop to care about the vapers that come in to make purchases and shoot the crow. If you're going to work in a vape shop, have vaping in your heart & soul. I have posted about the "NUVO CIG" booth in my mall many times throughout the years. Not only did the manager of the booth make me turn around and CRY.... But the owner of the company has repeatedly ignored my e-mails where I simply copied & pasted information about upcoming regulations & possible bans for our state. That is NOT the way I 1.) EXPECT 2.) would hope to see a vape shop operate, nor would I expect or hope to see anyone working at a vape shop making customers turn around with tears in their eyes. The woman blatantly told me that I was not welcome, due to my underage appearance (this was when I was younger, around 19-20 years old; I am a short man) & she alluded to the fact that I would not be welcomed to apply for a job, and that the owner would not like me. I turned around and just-about broke down into tears. I did well-up. She was VERY rude in every way imaginable and unimaginable, trust me. I would expect a vape shop counter attendee to be much more respectful and HELPFUL to his/her customers. Give a CARE about your customers, if you are in a service industry!!

I expect every facet of the triad I spoke of, the do their part, to inform vapers of safe practices, as I said above. If a manufacturer LIES to it's customers, I will-not support this manufacturer, which is why I lobbied against PROVAPE for many years, until I finally brought to their attention the "E-Cigarettes utilize water vapor" statement on their website. The Provape patrons came to Provape's defense, stating that it indeed IS h2o exiting our mouths when we blow-out our vapor- As the PG/VG actually plumps-up into vapor through "stealing" the water from our bodies. Sure, I took that as a viable answer. Eventually, Provape did take the "water-vapor" statement off-of/away-from their website/products (I believe?) and I am now the proud owner-of a Provape Produce (the Provari) and a proud patron of the Provape product line. I will NEVER support an e-cigarette vendor that blatantly LIES-TO it's customers and current patrons... I will always refuse to support any manufacturer that USES it's 1st-line of A/Y/Z product as BETA-TESTERS (Instance: Smoktech releasing the Smoktech Telescoping Mod without battery-compartment venting holes until the THIRD revision. Instance: The Smoktech Zmax having spelling-errors within the menu system interface until the 3rd/4th revisions) F-that BS. I refuse to support a company that will-not do all that is possible to bring a quality product to it's customers, when the company KNOWS that what they are releasing is sub-par. F-that BS. & I will continue to dislike & perhaps go as far as boycotting any vendor that has LIES on the website/product pages. Any vendor selling Advanced Personal Vaporizers/Mods in the 21st century should know to have a website equipped with EITHER A. Information on HOW to use the mod & it's batteries safely, and/or B. AT-LEAST have the courtesy to include a WARNING on each product-page, informing customers of possible dangers, &/or asking that customers purchasing this device please be sure that they either ARE educated on the use of APVs and their batteries, OR that they please take the time to educate themselves on the use of this product PRIOR to using the device & it's batteries.... & each vendor could certainly supply info on how to use them safely, but that is not necessary, in my opinion. What IS necessary or at-least very much needed, is a warning, at the least. These are just my personal opinions on the matter.

 

[Plumes.91]

I loving my new coolfire plus, its comfy and well built with great power button, seems better than the iv. I don't think they are plastic, my red one and the blue one have a coating different to the brushed metal black ones but I'm sure its not plastic, it feels great in the hand.

I love it with the nautilus mini, not so much the apex

Yep, I am well-aware of videos like the one you've posted, unfortunately. UNFORTUNATELY- I've seen some that were even WORSE, and what-worse, is the videos I've seen were of a much wider audience, out on the streets and/or in-front of monumental buildings. I have to admit, the brunette in the black polka-dotted brown shirt & hoodie took my mind away from the video for a bit... But that vid was a good representation over-all. lol. (I am a male US citizen, after-all) Thank goodness someone was able to answer 50 states, 48 contiguous, with alaska and hawaii, in the end. It's very sad to see some of the answers given... South America? SOUTH AMERICA is DIRECTLY BELOW the US?? Ohhhh brother.... We need help. We need serious education reform in this country.

My favorite answer was the boy whom replied: "I wasn't taught that knowledge" when asked what war the United States became dependent from Britain.... "I wasn't taught that knowledge" with a completely straight face. lmao. Ohhhhhh brother.... Guess what kid- 50 bucks says you were "taught that knowledge" over and over again, at-least 3 or 4 times by 3 or 4 teachers, throughout elementary, middle school & then high school... & it will be drilled into your head AGAIN in college, but something tells me you won't make it there. Actually, never-mind that, you'll definitely make it to college, as (and I know this from personal experience) the high school teachers are very-much HAPPY to pass the trouble-makers through 12th grade in-order to get rid of them. I had the support my my history teacher & my family. In-fact, I BEGGED to stay back in 12th grade, as I did-not feel mature enough to start college on my own, and my principal's response was "I don't think we can take another year of you being here, buddy" to which i continued to state my completely serious case for staying back, & she continued to reply NO. I wound-up "taking a year off, to ensure I'd be 'mature-enough' for college... and here I sit, 8pm on a Tuesday night, 7 years later, with no college education, no job, NO career aspects, and many, many mistakes to deal-with. Thank you, Mrs. M, and thank you, Guidance Councilor, whom told me "you are not college material, bud" in a meeting I had called to talk about college. He left that year, and is now known as "the guidance councilor whom didn't care about his students" by this entire town. I was so lucky to have had "the guidance councilor whom didn't care about his students" and "the principal that just wanted me gone" my senior year of high school. I was also lucky-enough to have a math teacher that told me "If you show-up for the final, I'll pass you for the year." even-though I had an F average in his class, and even-though out of 100 questions on the math final, I finished 30, and got 12 of those 30 correct, with my F grade-point average... I was "LUCKY" enough to have "PASSED" through 12th grade... THANKS TO EVERYONE WHOM ALLOWED ME TO FALL THROUGH THE CRACKS, I REALLY APPRECIATE IT! lol. & a big thanks to the music I listened to through-out high school, (leftover crack, choking victim, morning glory) whose lyrics quite literally "informed me" that college is "institutionalized learning, designed to brainwash the masses. & such enlightening sentiments as "living in a suburb, in the same house as your neighbor, in the same car as your neighbor, will be much more soul-crushing than living homeless on the streets of a big city, or train-hopping for the rest of your life" ahhh yes, my aspirations were big thanks to my favorite bands. I'll tell ya, I sure was lucky when it comes to roll-models and great teachers. Heck, my history teacher told me to SKIP COLLEGE, buy 2 or 3, maybe 4 nice used-cars, rent them out, and sit on my A** for the rest of my life. SKIP COLLEGE, AND RENT USED CARS..... THAT was the GREAT "BIG" advice I got from my favorite teacher back in high school....

This county is run by smart idiots, taught to take whatever they can manage to take while in office, or while serving the town/state/country. This country's towns/states WILL-BE run by idiotic idiots, taught to take whatever they can manage to take while in office, or while serving the town/state... & the country will continue to be ran by smart idiots, pulling the strings of the idiotic idiots running the states & towns. What a great, bright future we've got. BLAH!

 

[Bad Ninja]

For the most part large manufacturers do, IMHO, a very good job of making quality products.
Even the clones.
I have owned well over a hundred mechanical mods and almost all were very well made.

 

[Woofer]

We need help. We need serious education reform in this country.

My favorite answer was the boy whom replied: "I wasn't taught that knowledge" when asked what war the United States became dependent from Britain.... "I wasn't taught that knowledge" with a completely straight face. lmao.

I got the impression that most kids in the video where far from innately stupid regardless of how ignorant their answers were. Really makes me wonder about the parents, teachers and the system.

Learning is one of life's great joys imo.

 

[Plumes.91]

Just out of curiosity, would you ask a mcdonald's counter clerk about heart disease and/or diabetes?

It would be fantastic if every vape shop employee were knowledgeable, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

I mean... I wouldn't be against asking a mcdonnald's clerk about heart disease and heart issues, haha. I mean if some1 asked me to ask a mcdonnald's clerk about heart attacks and the hardening of arteries, I mean, I would....

 

[Lessifer]

I mean... I wouldn't be against asking a mcdonnald's clerk about heart disease and heart issues, haha. I mean if some1 asked me to ask a mcdonnald's clerk about heart attacks and the hardening of arteries, I mean, I would....

I used to work in a bookstore, and I worked probably the toughest position, the information desk. Not to toot my own horn but I was good at my job. I'm fairly well read, and I tried to at least sample the current hot selling titles. I could often find the exact book that someone was looking for, based on a vague description and some random hints. However, I couldn't always determine what someone wanted. I was a just over minimum wage worker, not a librarian. I go into bookstores now and if I don't know the title and/or author of what I'm looking for, all I get is a blank stare.

 

[TheMike21]

I do think some people permit a bigger failure margin in vaping that what the would with other things, I gave this example at a different thread, we accept a "200 watt" device that actually gives 175 but we wouldn't accept a 285 horsepower car that is actually 250.

In terms of fault and responsibility, maybe manufacturers are not at fault or the problem was out of their hands, but as with every other electronic devise you should get a warranty of x time. Always.

Mechs and blowing up: Let's say the manufacturer is doing everything they should in terms of production, they should though place a warning "To be used within these parameters". They should know what it can and cannot handle and warn people about it. Nothing is fool proof since fools are very ingenious. But cigarettes told me about the dangers, condoms tell me they can fail and my climbing rope has all sorts of warnings and weight limits for intended use. Why not a warning on Mech mods for what they can or can't handle?

Just my

 

[Mike Weatherford Jr]

Yep, I am well-aware of videos like the one you've posted, unfortunately. UNFORTUNATELY- I've seen some that were even WORSE, and what-worse, is the videos I've seen were of a much wider audience, out on the streets and/or in-front of monumental buildings. I have to admit, the brunette in the black polka-dotted brown shirt & hoodie took my mind away from the video for a bit... But that vid was a good representation over-all. lol. (I am a male US citizen, after-all) Thank goodness someone was able to answer 50 states, 48 contiguous, with alaska and hawaii, in the end. It's very sad to see some of the answers given... South America? SOUTH AMERICA is DIRECTLY BELOW the US?? Ohhhh brother.... We need help. We need serious education reform in this country.

My favorite answer was the boy whom replied: "I wasn't taught that knowledge" when asked what war the United States became dependent from Britain.... "I wasn't taught that knowledge" with a completely straight face. lmao. Ohhhhhh brother.... Guess what kid- 50 bucks says you were "taught that knowledge" over and over again, at-least 3 or 4 times by 3 or 4 teachers, throughout elementary, middle school & then high school... & it will be drilled into your head AGAIN in college, but something tells me you won't make it there. Actually, never-mind that, you'll definitely make it to college, as (and I know this from personal experience) the high school teachers are very-much HAPPY to pass the trouble-makers through 12th grade in-order to get rid of them. I had the support my my history teacher & my family. In-fact, I BEGGED to stay back in 12th grade, as I did-not feel mature enough to start college on my own, and my principal's response was "I don't think we can take another year of you being here, buddy" to which i continued to state my completely serious case for staying back, & she continued to reply NO. I wound-up "taking a year off, to ensure I'd be 'mature-enough' for college... and here I sit, 8pm on a Tuesday night, 7 years later, with no college education, no job, NO career aspects, and many, many mistakes to deal-with. Thank you, Mrs. M, and thank you, Guidance Councilor, whom told me "you are not college material, bud" in a meeting I had called to talk about college. He left that year, and is now known as "the guidance councilor whom didn't care about his students" by this entire town. I was so lucky to have had "the guidance councilor whom didn't care about his students" and "the principal that just wanted me gone" my senior year of high school. I was also lucky-enough to have a math teacher that told me "If you show-up for the final, I'll pass you for the year." even-though I had an F average in his class, and even-though out of 100 questions on the math final, I finished 30, and got 12 of those 30 correct, with my F grade-point average... I was "LUCKY" enough to have "PASSED" through 12th grade... THANKS TO EVERYONE WHOM ALLOWED ME TO FALL THROUGH THE CRACKS, I REALLY APPRECIATE IT! lol. & a big thanks to the music I listened to through-out high school, (leftover crack, choking victim, morning glory) whose lyrics quite literally "informed me" that college is "institutionalized learning, designed to brainwash the masses. & such enlightening sentiments as "living in a suburb, in the same house as your neighbor, in the same car as your neighbor, will be much more soul-crushing than living homeless on the streets of a big city, or train-hopping for the rest of your life" ahhh yes, my aspirations were big thanks to my favorite bands. I'll tell ya, I sure was lucky when it comes to roll-models and great teachers. Heck, my history teacher told me to SKIP COLLEGE, buy 2 or 3, maybe 4 nice used-cars, rent them out, and sit on my A** for the rest of my life. SKIP COLLEGE, AND RENT USED CARS..... THAT was the GREAT "BIG" advice I got from my favorite teacher back in high school....

This county is run by smart idiots, taught to take whatever they can manage to take while in office, or while serving the town/state/country. This country's towns/states WILL-BE run by idiotic idiots, taught to take whatever they can manage to take while in office, or while serving the town/state... & the country will continue to be ran by smart idiots, pulling the strings of the idiotic idiots running the states & towns. What a great, bright future we've got.[emoji14]BLAH!

I hear you, man. My high school teachers said I'd "end up a statistic," and I'd never attend "even some lowly community college". Not sure if I'm supposed to be in jail or working a Mickey D's grill, but despite being a "poor student," I aced the tests and went on to college for a semester. That is, until some nimrod councillor mistook what I said about my ADHD and demanded I sign a waiver before the following semester so I could receive all sorts of special education goodies like someone to take my notes, write papers as I dictate, etc. I'm ADHD, ...... - not mentally challenged. However, it's interesting that despite being "disabled" and a "statistic", I've gone from deahtop layabout to one heck of a writer!

Invaper Zim

 

[Bad Ninja]

I do think some people permit a bigger failure margin in vaping that what the would with other things, I gave this example at a different thread, we accept a "200 watt" device that actually gives 175 but we wouldn't accept a 285 horsepower car that is actually 250.

In terms of fault and responsibility, maybe manufacturers are not at fault or the problem was out of their hands, but as with every other electronic devise you should get a warranty of x time. Always.

Mechs and blowing up: Let's say the manufacturer is doing everything they should in terms of production, they should though place a warning "To be used within these parameters". They should know what it can and cannot handle and warn people about it. Nothing is fool proof since fools are very ingenious. But cigarettes told me about the dangers, condoms tell me they can fail and my climbing rope has all sorts of warnings and weight limits for intended use. Why not a warning on Mech mods for what they can or can't handle?

Just my

1. As far as cars go, you actually DO accept about a 20% margin on manufacturer's HP ratings.

2. Let's be clear:
Mech mods don't have "limits". They can handle more than the battery, which is the problem.

People overtax the battery, and it vents.

It's not the mod that fails. It's the battery.

 

[TheMike21]

1. As far as cars go, you actually DO accept about a 20% margin on manufacturer's HP ratings.

2. Let's be clear:
Mech mods don't have "limits". They can handle more than the battery, which is the problem.

People overtax the battery, and it vents.

It's not the mod that fails. It's the battery.

I don't just accept paying for: unstable Internet, bad or cold dishes, rude waiters, a car that breaks down a week after getting it back from the shop, an undisclosed fee, a late payment, a late DHL delivery, a non weather related late flight, a fake when I payed for an original or a long wait for service. Maybe it's just me or the fact I work for costumer service but companies should stand by their products, their offers, their employees and their promises.

I know it's the batteries that fail but most of the batteries we use where not intended to be used in unprotected devises, how about at least a warning resistance vs amps recommended table? Sounds fair?

 

[Bad Ninja]

I don't just accept paying for: unstable Internet, bad or cold dishes, rude waiters, a car that breaks down a week after getting it back from the shop, an undisclosed fee, a late payment, a late DHL delivery, a non weather related late flight, a fake when I payed for an original or a long wait for service. Maybe it's just me or the fact I work for costumer service but companies should stand by their products, their offers, their employees and their promises.

I know it's the batteries that fail but most of the batteries we use where not intended to be used in unprotected devises, how about at least a warning resistance vs amps recommended table? Sounds fair?

You can't put an imaginary limit on a mech and make it safe for people who shouldn't use them in the first place.

People who need warning limits on mechanical mods do not understand them and should not be using them.

Mechs can handle much more power than a battery can push.

Using a mechanical safely requires you understand your battery and how to build safely.

Mechs are for Advanced users only.