Where are the smoking cessation studies?

[Coelli]

One thing that comes up when I'm debating people, or reading stories in the media, is that there have not been any studies on smoking cessation by vaping and I have not been able to locate any on my own.

Is this true?

If not, I would really appreciate some links...

If it is true, why do you think that is?

 

[Rickajho]

Did you poke around in the "library" at CASAA? I'm pretty sure there are links there to the couple few studies we know about.

 

[Dampmaskin]

Who would finance such a study? The tobacco industry? I think not.

 

[Coelli]

Did you poke around in the "library" at CASAA? I'm pretty sure there are links there to the couple few studies we know about.

Yes, I did - I couldn't really find anything. Nor do I ever see a study referenced during debates. That's why I'm wondering what's up.

As for who would finance it, that's definitely a good question but I would think that the tobacco companies who have gotten into the cig-a-like market would have an interested.

 

[Bramble]

Who would finance such a study? The tobacco industry? I think not.

I think this is exactly the reason we don't have the research we need to defend vaping. You could argue that well, hey it's a billion dollar industry... but for one thing, research coming from the industry is not what we need. For another thing, the money is spread out among mostly smaller companies, the tobacco industry (yeah they won't be trusted), and manufacturers overseas.

I love the "I'm Proof" campaign... maybe if that becomes big enough, someone outside of the industry will take notice and at least get curious enough to do some studies.

 

[Scott_Simpson]

What kind of studies are necessary, and why? Does the personal testimony of the hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of former tobacco users who have switched—in whole or in part—from smoking to vaping, count for nothing? Only dedicated, irrational ANTZ would say that we are all, or mostly, liars. I, for one, can testify that I quit smoking tobacco over two years ago, that I quit a 50+ year PAD habit, and that I've vaped exclusively since I switched from smoking. Exactly what sort of study would be more conclusive than my experience and the similar experiences of the vaping community at large?

 

[Bramble]

What kind of studies are necessary, and why? Does the personal testimony of the hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of former tobacco users who have switched—in whole or in part—from smoking to vaping, count for nothing? Only dedicated, irrational ANTZ would say that we are all, or mostly, liars. I, for one, can testify that I quit smoking tobacco over two years ago, that I quit a 50+ year PAD habit, and that I've vaped exclusively since I switched from smoking. Exactly what sort of study would be more conclusive than my experience and the similar experiences of the vaping community at large?

We are constantly accused of being astroturf, for one thing. Yes we know the ANTZ are liars and they're crazy but the bans keep happening.

 

[Coelli]

What kind of studies are necessary, and why? Does the personal testimony of the hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of former tobacco users who have switched—in whole or in part—from smoking to vaping, count for nothing? Only dedicated, irrational ANTZ would say that we are all, or mostly, liars. I, for one, can testify that I quit smoking tobacco over two years ago, that I quit a 50+ year PAD habit, and that I've vaped exclusively since I switched from smoking. Exactly what sort of study would be more conclusive than my experience and the similar experiences of the vaping community at large?

You know, I totally get that, but in science even an overwhelming amount of anecdotal evidence is still anecdotal until it's been collected, analyzed, and presented. We can say "I and thousands of other people have quit smoking through vaping" but unless there is a peer-reviewed study, it's just hearsay.

 

[sonicdsl]

From everything I've read in some of the journals, studies, CASAA, etc., there has been a couple of studies, but nothing real quality yet. Most recent one (can't remember who did it) equated the success to the patch (about 7-8% success). So there's at least that, but we know anecdotal evidence shows a much greater percentage of success, not only immediately, but also long-term (relative for the 5+ years of general availability).

Technically, ecigs are not a "smoking cessation product", but a "smoking alternative". The fact that most of us quit smoking immediately or eventually (or cut back, etc.), is just gravy.

 

[Sikko]

I don't think the research is there, partly because the FDA said it can't be marketed as a smoking cessation device. Based on the Njoy lawsuit. So, there is no point in the industry financing such a study if they can't advertise results of such a study.

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[Ken_A]

Huh? No studies?

How about
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0306460313003304

PLOS ONE: EffiCiency and Safety of an eLectronic cigAreTte (ECLAT) as Tobacco Cigarettes Substitute: A Prospective 12-Month Randomized Control Design Study

http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1471-2458-11-786.pdf

You ca. Probably find one or two more in the link provided in my sig.

 

[EleanorR]

You know, I totally get that, but in science even an overwhelming amount of anecdotal evidence is still anecdotal until it's been collected, analyzed, and presented. We can say "I and thousands of other people have quit smoking through vaping" but unless there is a peer-reviewed study, it's just hearsay.

"The plural of anecdote is NOT 'data'." (Unless, of course, you're an epidemiologist! )

 

[Nermal]

I know, Eleanor, but at some point, anecdotes become first person research.

Okay, I'm playing with words, but not all research is peer reviewed - which is something I'm not totally confident in, anyway.

 

[Coelli]

Huh? No studies?

How about
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0306460313003304

PLOS ONE: EffiCiency and Safety of an eLectronic cigAreTte (ECLAT) as Tobacco Cigarettes Substitute: A Prospective 12-Month Randomized Control Design Study

http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1471-2458-11-786.pdf

You ca. Probably find one or two more in the link provided in my sig.

Awesome, thank you so much for those links!

 

[Nermal]

Thanks, Eleanor. I wasn't sure how you would take that semi facetious comment.

 

[Coelli]

I know, Eleanor, but at some point, anecdotes become first person research.

Okay, I'm playing with words, but not all research is peer reviewed - which is something I'm not totally confident in, anyway.

I agree with you on the peer review, but it seems some people will not accept a study as valid without it.

 

[Sikko]

The other thing is what the studys consider cessation. Most of them look at quitting nicotine all together. For some of us getting off the stinkies is enough.

Thanks Ken, hadn't seen those