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Just for grins, see if you can find an iStick 30. They are cheap. Put the T22 tank on it.
Both Trigster and I use this set up.
The one drawback on the T22 is no airflow adjustment, but it’s a great tank.

The iStick 30 has grooves on the top plate that allows a little more airflow to the tank. Perfect match. Also, a trick Trigster taught me. Use your complete T22 setup, and just loosen the tank back a tiny bit. Not loosely goosey; just a bit. Increases airflow.
 

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Thanks all.

So I think I know what the problem may be.

I've had an inflamed tooth at the back that I've put off getting a $2,000 crown on or the tooth extracted.

It's got a bit nasty of late and I just realised I'm losing my sense of taste!!

I know that should have seemed obvious but it wasn't because stuff just started becoming less flavourful gradually over the last probably 7 weeks so I didn't notice it, I just started adding more sauce or seasoning.

Anyway so I did some google work and seems that dental issues can effect your sense of taste so I'm heading to the dentist today to bite the bullet so to speak.

Fingers crossed it does the trick


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I'm glad to do it; I just hope it helps you, and does't confuse you, or make matters worse!:D

Re #1: I am kicking myself right now... I never thought to ask if you dropped your nicotine level when you changed atomizers.:facepalm: Sorry! My bad!!:(

Re #2: Generally; "peppery" (when referring to the affects of nicotine concentrate) is less about actual taste, and more about a "prickly" feel in the sinuses, and perhaps an increase in "throat-hit" (that scratchy/burning feel in the back of your throat). I can see how either, or both could affect one's perceived taste.

That sounds like a terrific human being! Jump on an offer like that; and don't look back! I have been DIYing my own e-liquids for over two years and don't regret it a bit.

If I can offer a couple of suggestions to help you both get off to a smoother start; I would suggest the following:
1. Besides a nicotine concentrate (which you said you have already ordered), and flavor concentrates (which I will talk about in more detail in a moment), you will need plain PG, and plain VG, to balance out your recipes. Get those purchased when you order your flavor concentrates (unless he is going to provide them)or your mixing will be delayed.
(as a side note: I have found that I actually enjoy vaping unflavored e-liquid. It is just PG, VG, and nic concentrate, without any added flavoring. It isn't "exciting" the way a really good flavored juice can be; but it is slightly sweet, and satisfying none the less. It is also dirt cheap, and impossible to mess up (as long as you pay attention to the amount of nicotine concentrate you are adding).

2A. Regarding flavor concentrates: because you have a mentor; find out what brand(s) he prefers to use and buy those. Using concentrates he is familiar with will help minimize both your learning curves to start. There may be "better" concentrates (those that appeal to your palate better); but you can explore those once you get the mixing fundamentals down first.

2B. Still regarding flavor concentrates: Try to give your mentor as detailed a description of the flavors you like, as possible... and then ask him for concentrate suggestions. Don't just say "I like fruits." Say something like "I like strawberry. More like the candy than the fresh fruit." Or, "I like a really sweet glazed doughnut taste; like you get from <brand X>." That way he can steer you to the flavor concentrates he thinks you will need to get close to those flavor profiles.

3. There are a ton of good resources on the internet for new DIYers; with ECF's DIY E-liquids forum right at the top. Do yourself, and your new-found mentor a favor, and ignore them... for now. It will only lead to confusion, frustration, and hurt feelings. (Kind of like asking your professional painter friend, to come over and help paint your house, and then telling him how he is doing it all wrong.:p)

There is a near limitless number of ways to DIY, and most of them can work. But, when starting out, it is best to focus on one and stick with it. Then, as you get more comfortable with the basics, and you learn what you might like to change, ...then you can branch out, and explore other variations/methods that might be a better fit for you.

I have found (on ECF at least) that it is best to express nicotine concentration as "milligrams/milliliter" (Xmg/mL). This avoids potential confusion from some UK/EU countries that describe their nicotine content in terms of total percentage to volume.

Because your purchase would be a very low ready-to-vape 1mg/mL if it were percent to volume (and not very suitable for DIY); I will assume you are buying 100mg/mL, which is the higher end of DIY potency, very cost effective, and half way to the maximum allowed for discussion on ECF (200mg/mL is the cut-off). Good choice!:thumbs:

Note on using PG base for nicotine concentrate: This is probably a good choice for your introduction into DIY. You may later decide to change that for further purchases.
Pros for PG:
1. It is thinner; and therefore easier to work with.
2. It is generally accepted as a "better" flavor carrier.
3. It can add additional throat-hit compared to VG.
4. Being thinner than VG; PG wicks more readily (meaning less potential for dry hits; especially in older attys with smaller juice flow apertures).

Cons for PG:
1. Some people are allergic to PG; and need to avoid it.
2. It can add unwanted throat-hit compared to VG.
3. Being thinner than VG; PG will be more prone to flood (especially in devices that have this proclivity).
4. Because PG remains thinner at lower temperatures than VG; PG may not provide as much extended shelf life for nicotine concentrates compared to VG based nicotine concentrates. Note: don't even worry about this until you are starting to think about buying greater than 1 year supplies... then do your own research and decide for yourself.


I hope that works for you too.

"Slow, small, simple with LOTS of time, patience, and NOTES." are my pointers to those starting on the DIY path.

Slow: start with a few ingredients, and learn how to use them. You can build your repertoire as you grow.

Small: ALWAYS mix in small batches until you get your recipe to your liking (10-15mL is good). Then you can mix as large as you like (be aware that some flavors/recipes can diminish over time; so don't make too much).

Simple: Mixing complex flavor profiles come with time and practice. "Learning to walk, before you run" has never been more true than with DIY. It has a fair amount of similarities to cooking; not everyone can bang out a Peter Gordon multi-layered subtle fusion masterpiece on their first (second, third, etc.) try; but most(?) can hope to scramble an egg, and have it palatable.
Keep your initial mixes simple; one, two, three flavors max. They may not "wow" you; but they will provide the building blocks on which to grow. And, you may be pleasantly surprised, by finding that single flavor that just "hits the spot" for you.

Time/Patience: These two go hand-in-hand. Just because a recipe taste like the south end of a northbound steer right after mixing; DOES NOT mean that is how it will end up. Don't automatically dump it. Put it away in a drawer, or cupboard, for three days to a week. Then taste it again; how does it taste now?

Is this what you were looking for; you are good to go... vape away.
Is it better; but still not great? park it for another week. taste again.
Is it no better, maybe even worse; okay, maybe this belongs to the drain. (But that is why we mix in small batches;))

One of the biggest mistakes (in my opinion) is new DIYers trying to "fix" fresh mixes (adding more flavor, diluting flavor with more PG/VG) and not giving the recipe a chance to find equilibrium. Some flavors, like candies and fruits, often are shake-and vape. While others, like tobaccos and creams, require time to mature and develop. But all of this depends on the flavor, the manufacture, and your own personal palate. You will never truly know if you don't give it a chance.

NOTES: This (again; my opinion only) is the greatest missed opportunity by those new to DIY. Record everything you do. What you add (ingredients), how you measure it (mL, g, drops, eyeball, etc.), what order you add it in, what you do with it (shake, stir, heat, sonic, breathe, whisper the the "seven sacred prayers" over, etc.). Any one of these can be the difference between a "win" and a "fail." But, if you don't keep detailed notes of what you have done, how can you hope to repeat (or avoid) them in the future. I can't speak for one other single mixer; but everything I have learned has come from trial and error. Personally, I prefer not to repeat the errors wherever possible... and be able to repeat my successes without having to start at square one.:rolleyes:

Bottom line: DIY is less about "accuracy," and more about "repeatability."
I wish you all the best my friend; and keep us informed on your progress!:D:toast::D

Hey mate thanks very much for all the information it's been really helpful and I think I'll work up to the diy and see how I go.

Work has been a ..... so no time but I have a taste issue to hopefully sort out and I'll be back.


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Thanks all.

So I think I know what the problem may be.

I've had an inflamed tooth at the back that I've put off getting a $2,000 crown on or the tooth extracted.

It's got a bit nasty of late and I just realised I'm losing my sense of taste!!

I know that should have seemed obvious but it wasn't because stuff just started becoming less flavourful gradually over the last probably 7 weeks so I didn't notice it, I just started adding more sauce or seasoning.

Anyway so I did some google work and seems that dental issues can effect your sense of taste so I'm heading to the dentist today to bite the bullet so to speak.

Fingers crossed it does the trick


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Ouch! You are aware that that stuff can kill you yes? The extraction, though not replacement is usually covered under Obamacare so get it done while the getting is good
 

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Ouch! You are aware that that stuff can kill you yes? The extraction, though not replacement is usually covered under Obamacare so get it done while the getting is good

Cheers mate I don't think we have Obamacare in Sydney though :)

We have something similar so I'll get that sorted asap.

We're going out for beers tonight so tomorrow is out for the procedure...


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Good Luck at the Dentist. I'm so glad I'm saying that to someone ELSE rather than the reverse....That's interesting, I had no idea that an infected tooth could affect one's taste (though was aware it can "kill" you-- I think there's a correlation between abscessed teeth and heart attacks or something, it inflames that layer in your heart, the myocardium or so they say??) I cant say that I was that impressed with the correlation, because, well, uh. I could be wrong.

I will tell you that a JAW infection that lasts for months can lead to loss of balance (it went up into my EAR) extreme crankiness, and the inability to do much. I do not put off dental stuff anymore BUT I did go spend much of the day with my denture dentist, who replaced (free of charge) my lower denture as he could no longer get it to fit as my lower jaw has been jacked with so much. Apparently, my dentures have a 7 year "fit" warranty, so TOMORROW, I get my LAST implants hooked up and I am going to eat steak, and ribs, and well, raw vegetables probably, I have been CRAVING them....

I also did not buy denture adhesive at Walmart today and my joy knew no bounds.

I hope your tooth thing works out and your smell and taste come back, that's really interesting....

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Good Luck at the Dentist. I'm so glad I'm saying that to someone ELSE rather than the reverse....That's interesting, I had no idea that an infected tooth could affect one's taste (though was aware it can "kill" you-- I think there's a correlation between abscessed teeth and heart attacks or something, it inflames that layer in your heart, the myocardium or so they say??) I cant say that I was that impressed with the correlation, because, well, uh. I could be wrong.

I will tell you that a JAW infection that lasts for months can lead to loss of balance (it went up into my EAR) extreme crankiness, and the inability to do much. I do not put off dental stuff anymore BUT I did go spend much of the day with my denture dentist, who replaced (free of charge) my lower denture as he could no longer get it to fit as my lower jaw has been jacked with so much. Apparently, my dentures have a 7 year "fit" warranty, so TOMORROW, I get my LAST implants hooked up and I am going to eat steak, and ribs, and well, raw vegetables probably, I have been CRAVING them....

I also did not buy denture adhesive at Walmart today and my joy knew no bounds.

I hope your tooth thing works out and your smell and taste come back, that's really interesting....

Anna
There are numerous famous people throughout history that have died of toothaches. Not super recently but it can happen. There’s even a song about it.

Here’s one from 2007. Without Insurance, Man Dies From Toothache
 

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Hey mate thanks very much for all the information it's been really helpful and I think I'll work up to the diy and see how I go.

Work has been a ..... so no time but I have a taste issue to hopefully sort out and I'll be back.


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I hope you get it all squared away; wishing you all the best!:D:toast::D
 

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I went through this as well, but my journey took me down a slightly different path than others, or at least I don't find this mentioned very often. As I switched from MTL to DL, I obviously went to higher VG concentrations. I was vaping 85/15 or even 90/10 VG/PG. The flavor was dead...

I was making my own juice and during that time I switch manufacturers of my flavors. I even tried over the counter ejuice (high VG juice) and that was also flavorless for me. I put a lot of blame on the new flavor manufacturer instead of doing the research I should have done. I did finally do some research, got a lot of help along the way, and found I was using WAY too much flavoring with the new brand of flavors so I backed that down. The taste came back a little, but not as much as I would like. So, I tried something I read (I do not remember where, sorry), but this worked wonders for me. I started mixing in more PG. In other words, I went from the 85/15 or even 90/10 VG/PG to a 60/40 or 70/30 VG/PG. That brought the taste back a lot!

For me it seems PG has a stronger throat hit and doesn't smother the taste so much where the VG is a smoother hit (much less throat hit) and gives the juice a slightly sweeter taste. The more PG I use, the better the taste for me, and the less flavor I have to use in my mix to get that better taste.

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Omg I hope I'm not jumping the gun here but I got my tooth out on Saturday, was full of infected bad stuff.

Got my nic in 100mg/ml in the post the day before and mixed a 60mg doubler of Melon flavour from the Steamery with 3.6ml nic then topped it up with vg = end result 3mg strength Melon Juice

Omg, I can taste it today!

Holy crap, I'm just praying this was my answer, dropping the nic down to 3mg instead of 9mg and 12mg I was using before.

Plus removing the infected tooth (twas a bloody painful experience)

Also I got the nic from Mixology NZ who have a great reputation for really high quality nic so I'm expecting that's also got something to do with it.

I'll now add my 3mg strength myself to the couple of nic free juices I've accumulated at home now.

The only drawback I can see so far is while the 3mg strength seems to bring the flavour back, I found it gave me less of a hit than I'm used to so I carried another mod in my bag with 9mg for the occasional bigger satisfying hit, for now.

Fingers crossed.



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The only drawback I can see so far is while the 3mg strength seems to bring the flavour back, I found it gave me less of a hit than I'm used to so I carried another mod in my bag with 9mg for the occasional bigger satisfying hit, for now.

Maybe a compromise at 6? Or maybe a higher per cent of PG, which will also increase the throat hit?
 

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Maybe a compromise at 6? Or maybe a higher per cent of PG, which will also increase the throat hit?

Yep agreed.

I added more nic to the Melon one last night (5 or 6mg now) and added to two other 0mg flavours, Strawberry and also a Banana.

All my coils are soaked in 9-12mg Juice so I might just do a complete change of all coils, wash all tanks and reload tonight.

I'll take the Melon plus a strawberry to work today for a test run. I reckon the two could co exist in the same tank when one's emptied due to flavour alignment.

One thing I've noticed is that my Aspire Speeder (with standard coils) seems to give a harsh throat hit and less flavour than my Baby Beast and my Veco Solo.

Shame as I love the design and feel. Will try new coil, clean tank and my new low nic juices next though.



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Yep agreed.

I added more nic to the Melon one last night (5 or 6mg now) and added to two other 0mg flavours, Strawberry and also a Banana.

All my coils are soaked in 9-12mg Juice so I might just do a complete change of all coils, wash all tanks and reload tonight.

I'll take the Melon plus a strawberry to work today for a test run. I reckon the two could co exist in the same tank when one's emptied due to flavour alignment.

One thing I've noticed is that my Aspire Speeder (with standard coils) seems to give a harsh throat hit and less flavour than my Baby Beast and my Veco Solo.

Shame as I love the design and feel. Will try new coil, clean tank and my new low nic juices next though.



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That’s the the thing about coils. They’re expertly set up and work great until they suddenly don’t. Likely you just don’t have the speeder (isn’t that a mod not a tank btw?) dialed in right yet
 

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That’s the the thing about coils. They’re expertly set up and work great until they suddenly don’t. Likely you just don’t have the speeder (isn’t that a mod not a tank btw?) dialed in right yet

Yeah the speeder is the mod and uses its own Athos Tank.

The two coils run at 60-80 and 100-100 and something.

Not sure how I can dial it in more, I run the tank at the settings range recommended on the coil.




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Yeah the speeder is the mod and uses its own Athos Tank.

The two coils run at 60-80 and 100-100 and something.

Not sure how I can dial it in more, I run the tank at the settings range recommended on the coil.




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The Argos is also a drop in coil tank. I thought you were using “regular” coils, sorry.
 
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