Where is my cream?

[mamamiaw]

Hi All,
3 days ago i tried to modify a clone recipe of 'you might figure after the list of flavor'.
After doing all the mixing, i instantly try to vape it just to give it a taste.
All i can taste is simply apple, like apple syrup/ juice (but not the fresh you made out of juicer).
I'm planning to steep it around 10-14 days.
I did a shake and warm bath, twice as per today before finally placed in in my dark and cool cupboard.

My question is..:
1. Will i ever get the taste of cream and vanilla (and other note) after steeping?
2. Any certain steeping method recommended? I don't think i'm diligent enough to shake and let breath on each day during steeping time, just simply going to store and let it develop. Will it be okay?

Anyway the recipe is this:

Spoiler: the recipe

60 Ml Batch
Ratio: 27/73 PG/VG
Nic strength: 3mg

Flav used:

CAP French Vanilla 3%
CAP Apple Pie 12%
FW Caramel Candy 2%
TFA Cotton Candy II Ethyl Maltol (10PG) 2%
CAP Double Apple 2%
CAP Vanilla Bean Ice Cream 1%
CAP Graham Cracker 1%
FA Madagascar (Vanilla Classic ) 1%

Thank you in advance!

 

[classwife]

Moved to DIY e-liquid from General E-Liquid Discussion

 

[Rickb119]

Hi All,
3 days ago i tried to modify a clone recipe of 'you might figure after the list of flavor'.
After doing all the mixing, i instantly try to vape it just to give it a taste.
All i can taste is simply apple, like apple syrup/ juice (but not the fresh you made out of juicer).
I'm planning to steep it around 10-14 days.
I did a shake and warm bath, twice as per today before finally placed in in my dark and cool cupboard.

My question is..:
1. Will i ever get the taste of cream and vanilla (and other note) after steeping?
2. Any certain steeping method recommended? I don't think i'm diligent enough to shake and let breath on each day during steeping time, just simply going to store and let it develop. Will it be okay?

Anyway the recipe is this:

Spoiler: the recipe

60 Ml Batch
Ratio: 27/73 PG/VG
Nic strength: 3mg

Flav used:

CAP French Vanilla 3%
CAP Apple Pie 12%
FW Caramel Candy 2%
TFA Cotton Candy II Ethyl Maltol (10PG) 2%
CAP Double Apple 2%
CAP Vanilla Bean Ice Cream 1%
CAP Graham Cracker 1%
FA Madagascar (Vanilla Classic ) 1%

Thank you in advance!

Vanilla's take a LONG time to develop, especially real Madagascar Vanilla.

When I first started DIY I did some work at a local extraction company and was given a bottle of very good, very strong Vanilla Bourbon. I immediately came home and added some to one of my mixes. Couldn't taste it so I added more, and more, and more. I think I ruined 5 or 6 coils in the process (Vanilla has a lot of sugar which is a coil gunker), gave up on it and started using the Vanilla for cooking. Several months later I found out about the long steep required. Fortunately, I still had some left and tried again. This time I let it sit and started taste testing at about 2 weeks. Still not much there. At 3 weeks I could begin to taste it. At 4-5 weeks it was finally there.

Leave it in the cupboard for 3-4 weeks and try it again. I think you will be pleasantly surprised.

 

[puffon]

There is a lot of apple in that recipe.

 

[JCinFLA]

I agree with the previous people who posted. You've got from 4-12 times the amount of CAP Apple Pie, plus the CAP Double Apple in it...that you have of any other flavorings in it. It's definitely going to take a long time for you to taste any of those much lower % flavorings in it, IMO, too.

 

[mamamiaw]

Moved to DIY E-Liquid from General E-Liquid Discussion

Sorry

 

[mamamiaw]

Vanilla's take a LONG time to develop, especially real Madagascar Vanilla.

When I first started DIY I did some work at a local extraction company and was given a bottle of very good, very strong Vanilla Bourbon. I immediately came home and added some to one of my mixes. Couldn't taste it so I added more, and more, and more. I think I ruined 5 or 6 coils in the process (Vanilla has a lot of sugar which is a coil gunker), gave up on it and started using the Vanilla for cooking. Several months later I found out about the long steep required. Fortunately, I still had some left and tried again. This time I let it sit and started taste testing at about 2 weeks. Still not much there. At 3 weeks I could begin to taste it. At 4-5 weeks it was finally there.

Leave it in the cupboard for 3-4 weeks and try it again. I think you will be pleasantly surprised.

Wow, that's indeed long time. Interesting story!
For this batch i'm thinkin of steeping for around 2 weeks so i'm curious about this vanilla thing.

Thanks!

There is a lot of apple in that recipe.

Indeed, the recipe recommend somewhere between 11-15%. But maybe i was being trolled

I agree with the previous people who posted. You've got from 4-12 times the amount of CAP Apple Pie, plus the CAP Double Apple in it...that you have of any other flavorings in it. It's definitely going to take a long time for you to taste any of those much lower % flavorings in it, IMO, too.

I see, like how long? Plan to sit this one for around 2 weeks
Will they come ?

 

[retired1]

It could take a month or more for the lesser ingredients to shine through.

 

[dannyv45]

I agree with the rest of the comments. I think your looking at a month of steeping for that one. 2 weeks is still to short a time.

 

[BrotherBob]

Ditto on all above comments.
Total apple = 14%
Total cream = 5%
Might want to experiment with the above % ratio.
I have had good luck keeping my total percent recipes between 7-20% for a majority of mixes.

 

[mamamiaw]

It could take a month or more for the lesser ingredients to shine through.

I agree with the rest of the comments. I think your looking at a month of steeping for that one. 2 weeks is still to short a time.

Thanks! Will wait around that time then.

 

[mamamiaw]

Ditto on all above comments.
Total apple = 14%
Total cream = 5%
Might want to experiment with the above % ratio.
I have had good luck keeping my total percent recipes between 7-20% for a majority of mixes.

Thanks! Will keep note for the next batch, not really looking for a creamy for this batch, rather savory. But thanks for this

 

[dobroeutro]

I generally keep my multiple flavor recipes between 10 & 15%. That seems to work for my vaping style & equipment. A general rule of thumb for me is 6-10% for the main flavor profile & then 50-75% of that for the complementary/supporting flavors. YMMV...

Recipes are really just a starting point & %'s may need to be adjusted up or down based your vape style, equipment & flavor preferences. It's always best to make a small 5-10ml tester before committing to a larger batch.

Good luck...

 

[mamamiaw]

I generally keep my multiple flavor recipes between 10 & 15%. That seems to work for my vaping style & equipment. A general rule of thumb for me is 6-10% for the main flavor profile & then 50-75% of that for the complementary/supporting flavors. YMMV...

Recipes are really just a starting point & %'s may need to be adjusted up or down based your vape style, equipment & flavor preferences. It's always best to make a small 5-10ml tester before committing to a larger batch.

Good luck...

Thanks!

 

[IDJoel]

Recipes are really just a starting point & %'s may need to be adjusted up or down based your vape style, equipment & flavor preferences. It's always best to make a small 5-10ml tester before committing to a larger batch.

@mamamiaw, dobroeutro makes a very important point. Vaping style (mouth-to-lung(MTL), direct-to-lung/direct lung (DTL, DL), or some mix of both), as well as equipment (device type (tank/dripper/single coil/multi coil), power control, coil type, wicking material, airflow, etc.) will have a direct impact on how any given e-liquid will taste. (Not to mention how all of our palates differ.)

In other words, an e-liquid vaped on a small ego type battery, paired with a high ohm single coil clearomizer with tight airflow, vaped at 5 watts; is going to taste entirely different when it is vaped on regulated device, equipped with a large bore, high airflow dripper, set up with low ohm dual fused clapton coils, vaped at 90 watts. DIYers will create/adjust a recipe to suit the equipment they are going to be vaping it on.

It is kind of like when I eat leftovers. It will taste substantially different depending on whether I eat it cold from the fridge, heat it in the microwave, or warm it back up in the oven or on the stove-top. Just adjusting wattage (power) can make a juice taste different.

If you are in direct contact with the author of this recipe; you might want to ask them what kind of a setup they vape this on. If their setup is significantly different from what you use, you very well may need to adjust the recipe, for optimal flavor on your setup.

 

[mamamiaw]

@mamamiaw, dobroeutro makes a very important point. Vaping style (mouth-to-lung(MTL), direct-to-lung/direct lung (DTL, DL), or some mix of both), as well as equipment (device type (tank/dripper/single coil/multi coil), power control, coil type, wicking material, airflow, etc.) will have a direct impact on how any given e-liquid will taste. (Not to mention how all of our palates differ.)

In other words, an e-liquid vaped on a small ego type battery, paired with a high ohm single coil clearomizer with tight airflow, vaped at 5 watts; is going to taste entirely different when it is vaped on regulated device, equipped with a large bore, high airflow dripper, set up with low ohm dual fused clapton coils, vaped at 90 watts. DIYers will create/adjust a recipe to suit the equipment they are going to be vaping it on.

It is kind of like when I eat leftovers. It will taste substantially different depending on whether I eat it cold from the fridge, heat it in the microwave, or warm it back up in the oven or on the stove-top. Just adjusting wattage (power) can make a juice taste different.

If you are in direct contact with the author of this recipe; you might want to ask them what kind of a setup they vape this on. If their setup is significantly different from what you use, you very well may need to adjust the recipe, for optimal flavor on your setup.

Couldn't agree more especially on the setup and palettes, some ejuices will taste significantly different using different set of coil and cotton even. But then again the difference should not be essential like exist to none at all. My worries is, that i imagined initially that i should taste a hint of this and that, and while i understand that creams and vanillas especially will develop throughout time but during my (short) experience of DIY, usually i will taste hint(s) at the very least. But not on this batch, thus the tittle of this thread.

But then again, reviewing so many suggestions here, i believe i will just have to wait until it 'ripe' while developing a different batch for comparison.

As for the recipe, i 'scrap' this from here and there and make 'assumption' for adjusting this based on some informations.

Thanks!

 

[mcclintock]

@mamamiaw, dobroeutro makes a very important point. Vaping style (mouth-to-lung(MTL), direct-to-lung/direct lung (DTL, DL), or some mix of both), as well as equipment (device type (tank/dripper/single coil/multi coil), power control, coil type, wicking material, airflow, etc.) will have a direct impact on how any given e-liquid will taste. (Not to mention how all of our palates differ.)

In other words, an e-liquid vaped on a small ego type battery, paired with a high ohm single coil clearomizer with tight airflow, vaped at 5 watts; is going to taste entirely different when it is vaped on regulated device, equipped with a large bore, high airflow dripper, set up with low ohm dual fused clapton coils, vaped at 90 watts. DIYers will create/adjust a recipe to suit the equipment they are going to be vaping it on.

It is kind of like when I eat leftovers. It will taste substantially different depending on whether I eat it cold from the fridge, heat it in the microwave, or warm it back up in the oven or on the stove-top. Just adjusting wattage (power) can make a juice taste different.

If you are in direct contact with the author of this recipe; you might want to ask them what kind of a setup they vape this on. If their setup is significantly different from what you use, you very well may need to adjust the recipe, for optimal flavor on your setup.

There can be a difference of balance, but that can vary with device at a single power level too. What 5 watts type power levels do is partially just limit the flavor, essentially diluting it with air if you slipstream in more around the mouthpiece, or sort of with nothing at all. So the flavor levels can be kind of insane. At higher power levels, full dilution need occur at the juice level rather than multistage.

Relevant to the OP, if that's 14% apple it's a clearo/carto sounding formula to me at least and it could be hard to taste anything else, more like a wall of apple or even indistinguishable, a wall of impenetrable darkness ... or just syrup. You might actually be tasting a lot of cream, just in a way that makes the apple even stronger! It could be diluted but also evened out in mix. What you've made may be recoverable, or not.

 

[mamamiaw]

A little update
I found my cream after 10 days, it's even stronger than i ever expected, the apple mellowed and cream appeared...will steep a bit longer (14-25 days)

Thanks!