Where is Vaping Technology and Styling going?

[Projectguy]

My thoughts are that, if vaping were to go main stream, the form factor of mods would have to change in many ways.
Our current mods are all built around certain batteries and much too big. Just listen to the comments from those on the new member forum when they ask for advice.
Batteries would have to be integrated and rechargeable like a cell phone.
The most effective juice deliver system will not be feasible as it would be relatively expensive and easy to bugger up. Just look at dishwasher and laundry detergents. People don't want to measure. Instead, a cheap and user friendly system that uses disposable pre-filled parts will dominate.
There will be led lights as people need indicators that the thing is working.
The entire unit will need to be cheap enough to be disposable. Quality of build will come second to cost.

Does any of this sound familiar?

Oh, and the government will tax (at 16 billion percent) all of the consumables.

I believe that there will always be a market for the high end and specialised equipment but it will be niche. The bulk of the real innovation will be in the direction of reducing cost and simple cosmetic changes to the former factor.

My Banker Brain agrees with you 100% but my Dreamer Brain hopes that it won't be so.

Government will tax hardware at the normal rate and the juice will get the "nicotine tax" at "16 billion percent", like booze, or maybe not. What are the taxes on the patch, gum etc? Harm reduction; how do you tax harm reduction UNREASONABLY. [NTD: that could be either a question or a statement]

Cost reduction I get. The market would have the "iPhone" mods and the cheap flip phone mods.

I'm very interested in your rationale behind the concept of size and disposability. Size OK I see it but disposable in today's world. Aren't we not removing some of the uckiness from a government sanctioned addition?

 

[Projectguy]

However PV's evolve, one thing I hope in my heart of hearts is that we don't end up taxed to the 9th degree like cigarettes are. If I pay no extra tax on nicorette and patches, then I should not pay extra tax for ecigs/Eliquid

Agreed especially if this HARM REDUCTION

 

[Eileithia]

Future of PV's.. these are my thoughts (hopes?).
510/808 style auto that is about the size and weight of a cigarette (Bigger is not always better). Regulated VW (Variable Watts) via a textured ring at either the light end or connector end. 8 hour battery life at max setting. Fillerless / Wickless (ceramic maybe?) carto that's easy to fill (no syringe) if still using liquid, or some how we find a way to convert the liquid into a solid and/or gel cap that can be kept in a safe maner without the threat of spilling. Just lock and load with no mess and no hassle.

 

[fourtytwo]

My Banker Brain agrees with you 100% but my Dreamer Brain hopes that it won't be so.

Government will tax hardware at the normal rate and the juice will get the "nicotine tax" at "16 billion percent", like booze, or maybe not. What are the taxes on the patch, gum etc? Harm reduction; how do you tax harm reduction UNREASONABLY. [NTD: that could be either a question or a statement]

Cost reduction I get. The market would have the "iPhone" mods and the cheap flip phone mods.

I'm very interested in your rationale behind the concept of size and disposability. Size OK I see it but disposable in today's world. Aren't we not removing some of the uckiness from a government sanctioned addition?

My dreamer brain would also love to see a whole new world of hardware but I am talking about the masses here.
I think that the cell phone analogy is a good one. There are speciality cell phone manufacturers who make very limited run and expensive devices. Some of these can go for many tens of thousands of dollars. There will always be a market for these.
As for the disposable aspect, I see that in two areas.
First, I don't think vaping can truly go main stream until it is "plug and play" easy. A user must be able to use it without having to drip, make coils, re-fill etc. There must be a simple, pull off the cart and snap in in another, kind of process and it must not leak in any way. Look around your house. How many things are now single serving in your kitchen? This means there will be a lot of garbage to dispose of and the cost per ml of vaping will be higher. That is another challenge.
The other disposable aspect is the device itself. Look at cell phones. You have a device that may cost hundreds of dollars to buy without a plan and yet, it is disposable if it get damaged. Sure, some can be repaired to some extent but almost all are replaced far before they should be. Anybody else out there toss a working cell phone because a newer model came along?
By disposable, I don't just mean use one and discard. I also mean, not worth upgrading or repairing.

 

[Projectguy]

Future of PV's.. these are my thoughts (hopes?).
carto that's easy to fill (no syringe) if still using liquid, or some how we find a way to convert the liquid into a solid and/or gel cap that can be kept in a safe maner without the threat of spilling. Just lock and load with no mess and no hassle.

Would that not involve more chemicals?

 

[Projectguy]

As for the disposable aspect, I see that in two areas.
First, I don't think vaping can truly go main stream until it is "plug and play" easy. A user must be able to use it without having to drip, make coils, re-fill etc. There must be a simple, pull off the cart and snap in in another, kind of process and it must not leak in any way. Look around your house. How many things are now single serving in your kitchen? This means there will be a lot of garbage to dispose of and the cost per ml of vaping will be higher. That is another challenge.
The other disposable aspect is the device itself. Look at cell phones. You have a device that may cost hundreds of dollars to buy without a plan and yet, it is disposable if it get damaged. Sure, some can be repaired to some extent but almost all are replaced far before they should be. Anybody else out there toss a working cell phone because a newer model came along?
By disposable, I don't just mean use one and discard. I also mean, not worth upgrading or repairing.

I really like the "market" the way it is not. What I mean external to this discussion is the "community" I've found here. ANyway, when is this market considered to have gone mainstream?

 

[Squish]

or some how we find a way to convert the liquid into a solid and/or gel cap that can be kept in a safe maner without the threat of spilling. Just lock and load with no mess and no hassle.

Cool idea! No more mess or leaking would be awesome

 

[Rttch]

Two ideas that I've heard or read about would be to use an atty in a tank. To me that would mean no filler taste (I haven't really noticed though) and the tank would be perfected in design to constantly bring in enough liquid to keep the atty wet. For the silica wicks, there is a huge thread about using 100% organic cotton (from yarn, medical gauze and/or cheesecloth).

 

[fourtytwo]

I really like the "market" the way it is not. What I mean external to this discussion is the "community" I've found here. ANyway, when is this market considered to have gone mainstream?

Mainstream? I know I'm the one who was using the term but I don't really know if there is a real benchmark here.
I guess a good place to start is when the sale of all related goods is fully open and common enough that a news story about vaping does not have to start with an explanation of what it is.

 

[Projectguy]

I guess a good place to start is when the sale of all related goods is fully open and common enough that a news story about vaping does not have to start with an explanation of what it is.

Insightful. I guess we'll be discussing this then for sometime to come based on the current attitudes and push back from BT and BP

 

[Eileithia]

Two ideas that I've heard or read about would be to use an atty in a tank. To me that would mean no filler taste (I haven't really noticed though) and the tank would be perfected in design to constantly bring in enough liquid to keep the atty wet. For the silica wicks, there is a huge thread about using 100% organic cotton (from yarn, medical gauze and/or cheesecloth).

These pretty much already exist (Aside from the different wicking material) The Phoenix/Firebird 3ml cartos are basically what you describe above, and if you don't mind tinkering, the Odysius (Not sure on spelling there) is a "Build your own" atty in a tank, although quite complicated for any new user.

 

[Eileithia]

Would that not involve more chemicals?

Not necessarily, if looking at a gel-cap type design, the internal liquid could be pretty much anything that doesn't break-down the capsule part. As for a solid, maybe not more, but it may mean using a different medium as the carrier (Other than PG or VG) These are just things I'd like to see. Liquid just has a whole mess of safety issues. Solids still have their safety problems but are much easier to work with for a new user.

 

[Projectguy]

Not necessarily, if looking at a gel-cap type design, the internal liquid could be pretty much anything that doesn't break-down the capsule part. As for a solid, maybe not more, but it may mean using a different medium as the carrier (Other than PG or VG) These are just things I'd like to see. Liquid just has a whole mess of safety issues. Solids still have their safety problems but are much easier to work with for a new user.

I get it. It would be like loading a gun.

 

[Eileithia]

I get it. It would be like loading a gun.

LOL.. something like that yes, but hopefully a much more satisfying (less explosive) experience when you put it in your mouth and "pull the trigger".