That statement reminded me of this article Man Hand-Builds Lamborghini Countach in His own Basement! - Carscoops.
Where on earth can I find a good mech mod?
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That statement reminded me of this article Man Hand-Builds Lamborghini Countach in His own Basement! - Carscoops.
I couldn't have said it better myself.
I'm actually in the market for a cheap, china mech I can stick a cheap, china made rba on and vape sub ohm coils (I've done my research).
The chinese make plenty of great PV's. Sure, something will slip by quality control once in a while, but most, if not all reputable vendors have policies regarding defective mods.
...come to think of it, I don't recall seeing anyone complaining about a china mech that was DOA. Most problems can be solved by some simple troubleshooting.
Stop being such a nit ;D <- I'm using the smiley face to express the humor in my statement.
I bought a certain mod I won't name here because it was exactly what I was looking for in a high-end, higher priced mod. When I vape it I feel like a squirrel with a stash of nuts fit for a king. Would I have gotten this in a cheap china mod? No. But I'm buying the china mech for a different reason altogether. You get the idea.
Exactly. I wouldn't dive blindly into buying a $200+ mech, unless I had that much disposable income and honestly, I'd treat it more of a collectable than anything.
Possible pro? It's an investment.
Possible con? I'll never get to really enjoy it.
I want a good mech mod with a 510 connector on it. The $30 chinese mech fulfills this role perfectly.
Deep; I like that.
Very strong evidence can be found. Materials used, machining and finish quality, switch design, contact materials used, engineering involved, etc. Also warranty and the ability to actually get something fixed in a reasonable amount of time should something go wrong.
I dislike where this thread has gone.. china does produce allot of low quality products most of those are meant to be cheap and mass produced. Its not hard to think you may get an inferior product if its cheap and made in china. They do made high quality items that are as good or better than other products from other countries so don't think I am saying all products from china are junk.
Some people think that products made in their own country are superior like the provari and there is nothing wrong with taking pride in your country and trusting the quality of their products over other countries.
Some people think that products made in their own country are superior like the provari and there is nothing wrong with taking pride in your country and trusting the quality of their products over other countries.
time for me to chime in 
yes you can get a china clone that will work nearly as good for much cheaper
you will most likely not have problems with it, and since it is a mech any problems can easily be fixed
no it will not perform quite as well as the expensive counterparts, but imho the extra $100+ isnt worth it for the marginal improvements
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by purchasing a china clone, you are doing the following:
taking money from the creator who dumped a lot of time and money to develop it
removing more money from your countries economy
NOT supporting jobs in your country
supporting the exploitation of chinese labor. as a humanitarian this could conflict with your morals
because of this i am a strong supporter of buying higher end gear. not just in mechs, not even only in ecigs, but with everything in general. if you can afford to keep the money in our economy, then please do so. if not, buy the knockoff. it will perform just as well (sometimes even better) and will keep you from smoking AND wont break your bank.
i hope that helps the op and everyone else make their decision on what to purchase, as well as educate them on how their purchase impacts the world. now lets stop this bickering and vape away
yes you can get a china clone that will work nearly as good for much cheaper
you will most likely not have problems with it, and since it is a mech any problems can easily be fixed
no it will not perform quite as well as the expensive counterparts, but imho the extra $100+ isnt worth it for the marginal improvements
-----------------------BUT------------------------------------
by purchasing a china clone, you are doing the following:
taking money from the creator who dumped a lot of time and money to develop it
removing more money from your countries economy
NOT supporting jobs in your country
supporting the exploitation of chinese labor. as a humanitarian this could conflict with your morals
because of this i am a strong supporter of buying higher end gear. not just in mechs, not even only in ecigs, but with everything in general. if you can afford to keep the money in our economy, then please do so. if not, buy the knockoff. it will perform just as well (sometimes even better) and will keep you from smoking AND wont break your bank.
i hope that helps the op and everyone else make their decision on what to purchase, as well as educate them on how their purchase impacts the world. now lets stop this bickering and vape away
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Materials in body and contact: sig#8 has all stainless body and all brass contact. Also, i assume you are talking about voltage drop. Well, PBusardo did a quick comparison and found that the Adam and the EA has larger voltage drop than a cheap Sigelei tele.
Machining and finish: anyone with a Sig#8 will testify to that.
Switch design: again, my Sigeleis have buttery smooth switch with locking ring. Bottom fire mods can be found under $40.
Warranty and repair: 2 things. One, mechs rarely if ever go wrong, thats a big reason why people use mechs to start with. Two, vendors have DOA policy.
Apart from that, lets do an equity calculation: suppose the value of having a mechanical mod functioning well and does what its supposed to is $V. Assume, also, for simplicity, that a China clone that fits into that category costs $50 (and thats an expensive clone - most are $40). Now, assume that 1 in every 1000 clones goes bad (thats a very generous number - i have never ever heard of a clone going wrong) and once it does you have to throw it away. Suppose a $200 high end mech never goes wrong (if it does there is warranty and repair, so its safe to calculate as if it never does).
Then the equity you get for a clone is V - 50 - 50*1/1000= V - 50.05 dollars
Whereas the high end one is V - 200 dollars
Huge equity loss: you are effectively throwing away $149.95 in a single purchase.
The loss can be justified if the mod is treated as a collectors item, or was purchased for and/ or to suit a certain topper, since the V of the two mods wont be the same; the owner gets utility out of simply owning the mech to look at/ take pictures etc.. But if we are talking strictly about functions - as the OP was - then it is an incorrect decision to buy the high end mod.
Im not saying it is wrong to own a high end: i want a Vela too. But if you buy one, know why you are buying it. Know exactly what you are paying for. That knowledge is exactly the difference between a smart vaper and an ignorant fanboy.
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Bfrie: well said, i agree completely. Im not from the US though so please forgive me for buying Chinese stuff
i forgot to mention the fact that if you get a doa then you will have to wait a considerable amount of time shipping the defective one back then waiting for the new one to arrive. that could be and has been an issue for people on this forum
Bfrie: well said, i agree completely. Im not from the US though so please forgive me for buying Chinese stuff
that is why i never specifically said by us made, i only said buy stuff from your home country. no sense buying us made if you live in france, since your still taking money out of your home economy and putting it into a foreign one
bfrie, I agree with most of your post.
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The exclusivity of the high end mods in this budding industry invalidates this comment.
How can a consumer be taking money away from a creator by spending it elsewhere when the creator won't take the money from the consumer? The creators create a limited number and sell all of them, quickly. If they are unable or unwilling to supply the demand then how could you fault a company stepping up and providing the other 98% of people who want these items with an alternative.. Also, it's not like they are counterfeits or even exact copies. Most of the items people refer to as clones barely resemble the item they are cloning, they are more so clones in function than form.
I would buy from a Chinese company although only as a last resort. Not for economic loyalty but I don't want to wait for shipping from the other side of the planet, and I feel less confident providing payment info the further away from my global position (especially outside the reach of the government that rules the continent I live on) the recipient is. So when I do buy foreign made products I am usually buying them from companies in my country of residence, hence supporting my country's economy, hence supporting the retail and logistic jobs in my country.
If a company in the United States of America would produce a small variety of mechanical mods on par with Sigelei in terms of design and quality at even twice the price I would buy them. Unfortunately none do.
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The exclusivity of the high end mods in this budding industry invalidates this comment.
How can a consumer be taking money away from a creator by spending it elsewhere when the creator won't take the money from the consumer? The creators create a limited number and sell all of them, quickly. If they are unable or unwilling to supply the demand then how could you fault a company stepping up and providing the other 98% of people who want these items with an alternative.. Also, it's not like they are counterfeits or even exact copies. Most of the items people refer to as clones barely resemble the item they are cloning, they are more so clones in function than form.
I would buy from a Chinese company although only as a last resort. Not for economic loyalty but I don't want to wait for shipping from the other side of the planet, and I feel less confident providing payment info the further away from my global position (especially outside the reach of the government that rules the continent I live on) the recipient is. So when I do buy foreign made products I am usually buying them from companies in my country of residence, hence supporting my country's economy, hence supporting the retail and logistic jobs in my country.
If a company in the United States of America would produce a small variety of mechanical mods on par with Sigelei in terms of design and quality at even twice the price I would buy them. Unfortunately none do.
you made a very valid point on the availability of high end mods. that is now on my list of pros of buying chinese, they are almost always available. however if the genuine product happens to be in stock and you can comfortaby afford it, then i still encourage you to choose the domestic product. also, this problem is avoidable by going for some of the lower end domestically made products suggested earlier in this thread. i did not mean to come of sounding like the high end mods are your only choice.
While you may be supporting that particular vendor, you are still not helping keep jobs/money in the american economy. the labor to make the chinese clones is all given to the chinese. the manufacturing side of things has the greatest job potential. even though you order it from an american supplier, they still purchased it from china, thus part of your money still ends up out of the economy. also, many online vendors without a standalone store do not employ enough workers to create enough jobs to truly make a difference.
i do respect your choice to buy chinese. i myself own no american gear. this is simply because i cannot afford the higher end stuff. i hope you will consider buying the higher end stuff it is ever available too you.
Don't just blindly disregard Philippines mods. I have the NZonic... Love It, love the choices of material, the attention to detail, the quality and the craftsmanship...
It's every bit on par with the highly sought after Greek mods in the same price range... But slightly easier to obtain.(only slightly)
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*sorry, i have to chime in just a little bit, as for taking money from the modders/creators i completely disagree, they sell as many as they make, they NEVER have one laying around that they cannot sell, when 100% of their supply is being sold, they don't loose a cent.
*the other part about supporting your economy, most of the high end mods are coming out of europe, korea, phillippines...i can really only think of a couple that are USA made and they sell out just as well.
*china made stuff is not "crap" and with en extra $5-$10 to pay for sand paper and or a brass spring and $0.50 washers, i was able to made my Sigelei 13a perform almost on par with my poldiac and Nemesis, i'm actually having more fun tryin to make it perform just as well. Mechanical mods, the warranty is ace hardware, home depot etc...and when something doesn't work right, the vendors have come thru on replacing parts.
ok just my 2 cents =D
I do intend to collect some fine hardware in the future, as my budget permits. Although while they won't be coming from China as forg1vn mentioned most of them won't be coming from the US either.
I don't mean for any of the following to appear antagonistic, I am just motivated to reply to you point by point..
This is not true. In terms of keeping jobs in the US I am helping keep retail jobs in the US. In terms of keeping money in the US I am contributing to every business the US retail business owner must rely on to do business. Just because they may not have a retail store doesn't mean they don't have to pay rent and utilities and taxes, etc.
China destroys the US in manufacturing labor. We lose.
Then why oh why doesn't anyone in the US tap into it? Often times the Chinese can't even keep up with demand for these products, if someone in the US would start cranking out products as good or better than the average China clone I believe they could sell for more and would.
China has an economy. The optimist in me likes to believe that not every single manufacturing scenario in China is dismal. I have no reservations about part of my money ending up in the hands of a fellow human being that worked to create an item I want, even though they may be on the other side of the planet we both inhabit.
How many workers is enough? Is it not enough that I am supporting a retailer and probably his or her family and possibly a couple other families if it is a growing business? Is it not enough that I am supporting all the businesses that the retailer must rely on to do business? Is it not enough that I am supporting my mailman? (who by the way has been earning his keep lately!! lol)
Oh indeed I will, if it ever becomes available.
I don't mean for any of the following to appear antagonistic, I am just motivated to reply to you point by point..
This is not true. In terms of keeping jobs in the US I am helping keep retail jobs in the US. In terms of keeping money in the US I am contributing to every business the US retail business owner must rely on to do business. Just because they may not have a retail store doesn't mean they don't have to pay rent and utilities and taxes, etc.
China destroys the US in manufacturing labor. We lose.
Then why oh why doesn't anyone in the US tap into it? Often times the Chinese can't even keep up with demand for these products, if someone in the US would start cranking out products as good or better than the average China clone I believe they could sell for more and would.
China has an economy. The optimist in me likes to believe that not every single manufacturing scenario in China is dismal. I have no reservations about part of my money ending up in the hands of a fellow human being that worked to create an item I want, even though they may be on the other side of the planet we both inhabit.
How many workers is enough? Is it not enough that I am supporting a retailer and probably his or her family and possibly a couple other families if it is a growing business? Is it not enough that I am supporting all the businesses that the retailer must rely on to do business? Is it not enough that I am supporting my mailman? (who by the way has been earning his keep lately!! lol)
Oh indeed I will, if it ever becomes available.
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