Which Mod should I get?

[Stucco Jedi]

I have a vv gripper and I like it. I know of the battery door problems so I am just careful with it. It does what it says and it is a good entry into a mod. Pull the pin give it a try. You will be happy.


NO this is not a pipe bomb!!!!!!!

 

[Plumes.91]

i knew the variable voltage gripper was a junk mod from the moment I saw it. Its plastic. Its not wood. lol.

there are great mods at cheap prices. if you don't have money, some of the china made mods are fantastic. YES maybe if you want the best product, you need to wait for the revision. you need to spend time researching whats wrong and whats right with the mods your looking at. I could have bought a Zmax last month but I didn't because I kept reading the wattage wasn't set to RMS. Now the stainless steel Zmax is indeed set to RMS and some are saying its just as accurate as the Provari. Now does it have the Provari warranty? no. Does it have ALL of the fail-safes built into the provari? no it does not. Its a mass produced product and the Provari is an ARTISAN product. If I could have afforded a Provari when I began vaping... I wouldn't of gotten it. (I couldn't afford one anyway and back then I thought the price was hilarious) I'm still researching the new Zmax, the new Lavatube is coming out by the end of this year, and they both will be good products. I've been saving money for a very long time. I've been putting money away since I began vaping and I'm just now up to an amount that would allow me to buy a Provari. I'm not sure what I'm going to go with, but I broke my variable voltage mod and I'm in the market for one. I wanted to buy a genesis type device with the money, but now I'm considering a Zmax, the new LT, or a Provari. I've always wanted to hold a Provari in my hand to see just how solid it truly feels. I haven't saved up all this money to get just any mod. This IS a hobby for me.

For beginners... I recommend the middle road. My family has always taught me to go down the middle road. Your finances may make the Zmax a middle road device, they may make the lambo your middle road, they may even make the v.1 lavatube (at $30 these days) your middle road. Me? Its been a long time coming for me and I want a good device and the Zmax or the Provari is that device. For people new to this, I wouldn't necessarily recommend a Zmax or a Provari. I wouldn't recommend them at all but I always include them in the list when I'm trying to help someone new because IDK who they are or what their true plans are or how much money they have. But its safe to say that if you are just starting out, and if your anything like me, 2 eGo batts, a 18350/18650 mod, and a variable volt is a good short term goal, with things like genesis and provari as a collectors goal for the future. If you know what you like, and your the type to jump in head first, get a more expensive mod. Your going to be happy with it. But if you just want to quit cigarettes and be happy, weight out your options. Research. Research. Research. After you've researched quite a bit, do what feels right to you.

If your smart enough to ask these questions, then your not like the people that come here asking which cigarette look-alike will give them huge plumes of vapor and monster throat hit. lol. Your already too enlightened to be happy with a 510. Hell you might be too enlightened to be happy with an eGo.. (or you might buy an eGo, use low resistance cartomizers till it breaks and buy another eGo kit, and figure out you can't use low resistance cartomizers with it consistantly without it breaking) lol But yeah, research and do what feels right.

 

[Baditude]

there are great mods at cheap prices. if you don't have money, some of the china made mods are fantastic. YES maybe if you want the best product, you need to wait for the revision. you need to spend time researching whats wrong and whats right with the mods your looking at. I could have bought a Zmax last month but I didn't because I kept reading the wattage wasn't set to RMS. Now the stainless steel Zmax is indeed set to RMS and some are saying its just as accurate as the Provari. Now does it have the Provari warranty? no. Does it have ALL of the fail-safes built into the provari? no it does not. Its a mass produced product and the Provari is an ARTISAN product. If I could have afforded a Provari when I began vaping... I wouldn't of gotten it. (I couldn't afford one anyway and back then I thought the price was hilarious) I'm still researching the new Zmax, the new Lavatube is coming out by the end of this year, and they both will be good products. I've been saving money for a very long time. I've been putting money away since I began vaping and I'm just now up to an amount that would allow me to buy a Provari. I'm not sure what I'm going to go with, but I broke my variable voltage mod and I'm in the market for one. I wanted to buy a genesis type device with the money, but now I'm considering a Zmax, the new LT, or a Provari. I've always wanted to hold a Provari in my hand to see just how solid it truly feels. I haven't saved up all this money to get just any mod. This IS a hobby for me.
Its been a long time coming for me and I want a good device and the Zmax or the Provari is that device. Research. Research. Research. After you've researched quite a bit, do what feels right to you.

Provari = time-tested known value and quality, the standard that all other APV's are compared to.

all newcomers =

It looks to me that you want a Provari, but you've always managed to find a reason to not buy one. Go ahead and get one already. With all the research that you have claimed to have done, have you researched in the Provari threads here? What most people say when they get one is along the lines of "Wow! Why didn't I get one of these before?" or "I wish I would have gotten one of these to begin with instead of the cheaper blah blah blah."

Please do not label me as a Provari elitist or fanboy. The Provari is just one of those few things in life that you actually get what you pay for.

 

[elmattias]

Please do not label me as a Provari elitist or fanboy. The Provari is just one of those few things in life that you actually get what you pay for.

if only everyone read between the lines eh bad? lol

i find me having to bring my fire extinguisher into threads with me lately with the new zmax fanboys, they complain about us provari owners but they seem just as bad :\

 

[Plumes.91]

No I don't hold anything against you. I get defensive when someone thats been vaping for 3 years tells a new-comer that they should just skip everything and get a Provari... Because you don't know who these people are. I couldn't afford a Provari when I got here? I needed something I'd be satisfied with right away that would keep me vaping... and then, maybe if the n00b gets more interested in better vapes? THEN they can save up for a Provari, while they vape their sweet new mod. Right? I get offended when people say "dude you bought 1 of those? those are garbage. get a provari. china mods are terrible" yeah right. the silverware you eat on is probably made in china I mean you can't expect someone that is trying to quit smoking to want to throw down $300 in one order for cartos and a provari and juice lol. Its ridiculous. They need time to simmer. You can vape with a china made mod and NEVER get a Provari and be perfectly happy. Provari is in NO way a NECESSITY and neither are genesis mods or RBAs or even VV mods. An ego with a 2ohm carto is great lol. If you WANT to continue a vaping as a hobby, THEN you can start thinking about more expensive or bigger battery mods. You don't become a hobbyist overnight.

The same way you don't buy a $350 exotic knurlwood pipe the first time you decide you want to try some quality tobacco products. You look around, maybe you go to a tobacco shop, maybe you try some American Spirit because your friends liked it, and then the longer your smoking that, the more you try, and then someday down the road you may try more expensive tobacco, years down the road you might buy an exotic pipe, some pre-embargo Colombians or an expensive pipe, right? a n00b needs to develop just like I did. I wasn't completely against Provaris when I started vaping but I didn't like things about them. I didn't like the price, I didn't like the fanboys, I didn't like a lot.

This forum is very much like a river. Each new member steps into a log flume boat and they embark on a ride to the same set of products, with the older members cheering them on from the riverbanks. Its exactly like every other hobbyist or sensationist forum I've ever belonged to... and they are fun.. But I want to make it clear to each new member that they don't have to end up at this vendor, this vendor, or this one. I understand the publicity from this forum is a huge part of provari's business. Word of mouth. This is because its a great company, as are ALL the OTHER US mods lol. But a new member does NOT need to end up with a $300 mod if they DONT have the money. one can be perfectly happy with a $50 mod. I mean this has all been said 100000000000x10000000 times before here. I've made this post 1293 times haha. I'm not going to be here forever, I post to a forum religiously and then I leave and don't come back for a year, so I hope others see this and perpetuate what I'm saying now.

I always like to look at my posts and wonder what I would type if I accidentally deleted the post. In this case, I'd probably have to write: Vaping is a journey.

 

[elmattias]

No I don't hold anything against you. I get defensive when someone thats been vaping for 3 years tells a new-comer that they should just skip everything and get a Provari... Because you don't know who these people are. I couldn't afford a Provari when I got here? I needed something I'd be satisfied with right away that would keep me vaping... and then, maybe if the n00b gets more interested in better vapes? THEN they can save up for a Provari, while they vape their sweet new mod. Right? I get offended when people say "dude you bought 1 of those? those are garbage. get a provari. china mods are terrible" yeah right. the silverware you eat on is probably made in china I mean you can't expect someone that is trying to quit smoking to want to throw down $300 in one order for cartos and a provari and juice lol. Its ridiculous. They need time to simmer. You can vape with a china made mod and NEVER get a Provari and be perfectly happy. Provari is in NO way a NECESSITY and neither are genesis mods or RBAs or even VV mods. An ego with a 2ohm carto is great lol. If you WANT to continue a vaping as a hobby, THEN you can start thinking about more expensive or bigger battery mods. You don't become a hobbyist overnight.

The same way you don't buy a $350 exotic knurlwood pipe the first time you decide you want to try some quality tobacco products. You look around, maybe you go to a tobacco shop, maybe you try some American Spirit because your friends liked it, and then the longer your smoking that, the more you try, and then someday down the road you may try more expensive tobacco, years down the road you might buy an exotic pipe, some pre-embargo Colombians or an expensive pipe, right? a n00b needs to develop just like I did. I wasn't completely against Provaris when I started vaping but I didn't like things about them. I didn't like the price, I didn't like the fanboys, I didn't like a lot.

I always like to look at my posts and wonder what I would type if I accidentally deleted the post. In this case, I'd probably have to write: Vaping is a journey.

again i'll say it just to clear the air: the only time i suggested provari was when they were throwing out talks of zmax...i mean for a few bucks more you could get the provari, if you're going to drop that kind of money on a zmax, you may as well drop the extra few bucks on the provari and get real consistancy.....

in all seriousness the first thing i said if i remember correctly was if he'd like an easier transition in to VV to get an eGo twist....i agree with everything you say in your post, hell, you could even call me a provari fanboy at this point, but i'm sick of misconceptions by people just cause i throw out the single word provari...if someone is specifically shopping for a mod then it very well is a good option, if someone else throws out a zmax as a suggestion with a $130 price tag and then i get flamed for saying provari because it's a 3 figured price tag.....well i just find that absurd...especially since it's only 20 bucks cheaper and does not yet have the long-term stress testing that many provari owners have experienced first hand.

 

[Plumes.91]

yeah we're getting totally off track for this thread. I agree with you elmattias. Its all relative to a person's situation though. If they can afford the extra money for the Provari then they may like to have a Provari more than the Zmax from their impressions of the two. I like the Zmax a lot and I would have gotten a Zmax if I had the money a week ago. Then I find out the old Zmaxes aren't calibrated correctly and so this week I'm looking at the new Zmax and the Provari. I wouldn't have gotten a VV at all if I hadn't broken my Lavatube. I soaked the battery connection in juice. It was either that or glue in the firing button. lol. I wanted an all in one fixed volt. Now I have to look at VV devices because I have a lot of higher ohm cartos and I want to be able to use them. Its ALLL relative to your situation Original Poster. Weigh your options, don't feel pushed into anything. Don't ever let anyone push you into a certain brand. Be comfortable with the price.

You'll be happy with vaping no matter what you get, I promise.

 

[kiwivap]

Hi Mark,
Ther's a list of UK vendors with discounts - put together by Chrissy from the UK forum.
Alba Vapour has their site down at the moment for maintenance. Worth checking them out in a wee while as they sell mods I believe. I think they now also sell the Zmax v2, which is coming in from different reviewers as being a very accurate variable voltage and variable wattage mod (best of both worlds). That may be a bit expensive for you at the moment tho.
I see some interesting mods here too that are well within your budget: electronic cigarettes, mods and devices

I'd suggest also asking in the ECF UK Forum as there should be some UK mod owners there who will know some good deals and good mods within your price range.

Hope that helps.

 

[Mark83uk]

thanks again for all the reply's it has really helped alot but let me switch it up a little what do you guys think of the bolt mod? I know its not a vv but it would still go nice with a vivi nova on top you thoughts?

 

[elmattias]

thanks again for all the reply's it has really helped alot but let me switch it up a little what do you guys think of the bolt mod? I know its not a vv but it would still go nice with a vivi nova on top you thoughts?

I don't agree...not unless you kick it....the nova can cause a hard short on a bolt, and with no built in protection this can be very dangerous.

Sent from my EVO using Tapatalk 2

 

[doots]

thanks again for all the reply's it has really helped alot but let me switch it up a little what do you guys think of the bolt mod? I know its not a vv but it would still go nice with a vivi nova on top you thoughts?

Maybe with a Kick just in cases where you need a little more voltage..

 

[Mark83uk]

ok so what would go nice with the bolt if not the nova?

 

[doots]

ok so what would go nice with the bolt if not the nova?

Any Low Resistance Attys or Cartos.. Like 1.5, 1,8 ohms etc. Or any rebuildables where you wrap you own coils.
I wouldnt go over 2 ohms without a kick if you want good vapor. IMO

 

[elmattias]

Any Low Resistance Attys or Cartos.. Like 1.5, 1,8 ohms etc. Or any rebuildables where you wrap you own coils.
I wouldnt go over 2 ohms without a kick if you want good vapor. IMO

NO...no wrapping your own coils...that's the NUMBER ONE cause of a short.

stick with cartos or drip attys on an unprotected device, it can save your face....literally.

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[doots]

NO...no wrapping your own coils...that's the NUMBER ONE cause of a short.

stick with cartos or drip attys on an unprotected device, it can save your face....literally.

Sent from my EVO using Tapatalk 2

I would agree with you using this on the volt. Unless youre using a Kick.

 

[Mark83uk]

All I want is something that looks great, lasts a few days with out charge, holds a nice amount of liquid, and I can have a nice looking drip tip to finish it off lol

 

[tj99959]

Get all the VV - VW devices you want, but you still need at least one good mechanical mod.

 

[Mark83uk]

and in a language noobs understand that would mean? lol

 

[Baditude]

All I want is something that looks great, lasts a few days with out charge, holds a nice amount of liquid, and I can have a nice looking drip tip to finish it off lol

Finally some feedback on what you are looking for. Great looks are pretty much up to the beholder. The Bolt seems to take after a couple of US made APVs made by Altsmoke: the BB and Silver Bullet. Both of those are a better made device than the Bolt; better materials, fit, finish, construction, but you get what you pay for. Both of them go for $85. I'd strongly advise going for the Altsmoke models over the Bolt.

http://altsmoke.com/starterkit.html

You can see the three of them together in this video review of the Bolt:



The 18650 battery is the same that the Silver Bullet uses. It will allow at least a full day of vaping between batteries, and possibly into the next day. Better performance will be experienced if you do not skimp on battery quality. Buy AW brand, IC or IMR batteries.

The Bolt had a notorious history of a questionable switch at one time, not sure if Smoktech has improved this. Perhaps recent owners of the Bolt can confirm this.

Having both the Silver Bullet and BB myself, I would be wary of the Bolt's protruding horn switch making it not a pocket-worthy mod. I had the unfortunate experience of having my BB (which has a similarly shaped but higher quality switch) have its protuding button become compressed in a pants pocket in a work locker, causing the mod to fire continuously to the point of causing the battery to go into a catastrophic thermal event.

The shorty J-Tank ElectronicStix.Com : 3ML J-TANK - JTANK3ML and
25mm pyrex IBTanked https://www.ibtanked.com/shop-tanks/clear-tubes/25mm-clear-detail cartomizer tanks would look great on a Bolt (same diameter). Pbusardo shows a J tank on a Bolt in his review of the Bolt.



** Please excuse my error of stating that the battery used by the Bolt is an 18650. That battery can be used with the add-on extension, however the battery that it uses without the extension is the 18500. Sorry about that!

 

[Mark83uk]

Nice! I would get the SB but I dont want to wait for it to be shipped from the US and have to pay the extra money to get it here and I cant find any UK stores that stock it so thats why I went with the Bolt idea