White House abruptly cancels meeting with vaping advocates

[Racehorse]

But if Trump loses in 2020, our opposition (next POTUS admin) will make Trump look the president of CASAA

I live in the first state in the U.S. to BAN eliquid sales thru the mail. That means no on-line ordering.

Red state, Republican governor. Asa Hutchinson (R). This was many years ago when Obama was still POTUS.

It's not partisan, and never has been. People who keep making it partisan are looking in the wrong place and will therefore be unsuccessful in their advocacy.

Another R is at it again (Sen. Jim Hendren (R-Gravette), the leader of the Senate):
Hendren to try again on vaping legislation - Arkansas Times
Arkansas lawmaker wants to tax vaping products; shop owners fear for their business

I can post many more articles, let me know if you need them.

 

[CMD-Ky]

What has he banned, I must have missed it?

Vape Store Owners Are Freaking Out About Trump's Ban

Some e-cig industry people in Florida said they were actually registering to vote against the president in response to the move.​

 

[CMD-Ky]

I agree, these are politicians and bureaucrats; they are going keep at it and party affiliation has little to do with it.

I live in the first state in the U.S. to BAN eliquid sales thru the mail. That means no on-line ordering.

Red state, Republican governor. Asa Hutchinson (R). This was many years ago when Obama was still POTUS.

It's not partisan, and never has been. People who keep making it partisan are looking in the wrong place and will therefore be unsuccessful in their advocacy.

Another R is at it again (Sen. Jim Hendren (R-Gravette), the leader of the Senate):
Hendren to try again on vaping legislation - Arkansas Times
Arkansas lawmaker wants to tax vaping products; shop owners fear for their business

I can post many more articles, let me know if you need them.

 

[Jman8]

I live in the first state in the U.S. to BAN eliquid sales thru the mail. That means no on-line ordering.

Red state, Republican governor. Asa Hutchinson (R). This was many years ago when Obama was still POTUS.

It's not partisan, and never has been. People who keep making it partisan are looking in the wrong place and will therefore be unsuccessful in their advocacy.

Another R is at it again (Sen. Jim Hendren (R-Gravette), the leader of the Senate):
Hendren to try again on vaping legislation - Arkansas Times
Arkansas lawmaker wants to tax vaping products; shop owners fear for their business

I can post many more articles, let me know if you need them.

You truly think the Left and Right are equal in their desire to rid vaping from America?

Please post all the allies we currently have in congress that are neutral or pro vaping, and are D's. I'd like to see that. I believe I can do the same with R's.

 

[Jman8]

Another R is at it again (Sen. Jim Hendren (R-Gravette), the leader of the Senate):
Hendren to try again on vaping legislation - Arkansas Times

From the article:

His major tax bill passed the Senate but failed in the House in the regular session. The legislature also stripped the Tobacco Control Board of regulatory powers over vaping/e-cigarette retailers and prohibited cities and counties from regulating vaping (this last part of a bill passed in the name of UAMS cancer research.) The history indicates Hendren’s idea won’t be easy, not even with recent alarm over some illnesses believed related to vaping, or at least some of the substances now being ingested.

Senate and House in AR are all Republican controlled.

 

[Rossum]

How much can your freezer hold? Im thinking about ordering 3 L but Im not sure I can store that much plus the other .25 L I already have in there plus food. That is the question.

A small freezer can be had for about the cost of three cartons of cigs.

 

[Horselady154]

The article mentions the White House is going to reschedule. I'm wondering if it was canceled because of the whistleblower thing and they needed to deal with that. Time to reschedule, Donald.

 

[Horselady154]

 

[fiddleshe]

A small freezer can be had for about the cost of three cartons of cigs.

3L is about a 25 year supply for me. No mini freezer is going to last 25 years. Plus the cost of electricity. Call me cheap.

 

[Rossum]

3L is about a 25 year supply for me. No mini freezer is going to last 25 years. Plus the cost of electricity. Call me cheap.

It's fine to be cheap. But sometimes people are penny-wise and pound-foolish, which is why I like to put this stuff in the context of the cost of N cartons of cigs.

What will a person do when they run out of nic? Start buying cigs at $50-$100 a carton? Buy whatever ridiculously-priced and likely over-taxed vape products make it through the PMTA process? Or just be miserable, wishing they'd spent a few dollars more back then?

I don't know how old you are, so I have no idea whether 25 years worth is enough. I'm 60 and at my age, I would consider it marginal. FWIW, I go through nic at about twice the rate you do.

 

[DaveP]

I just hope they don't ban sale of liquid nicotine. As long as liquid nic sales are allowed, we can make whatever the fk we wanna.

Buy it now and freeze it for future use. It will keep indefinitely at 0 degrees F. Transfer it to glass bottles and fill almost to the neck. Some add Argon gas to the small air bubble that forms in the neck to prevent oxidation.

 

[fiddleshe]

I don't know how old you are, so I have no idea whether 25 years worth is enough. I'm 60 and at my age, I would consider it marginal. FWIW, I go through nic at about twice the rate you do.

Im 48. I figure if Im still vaping at 75ish I will quit. Dont figure I will live that long anyways as Im diabetic.

 

[Jman8]

What will a person do when they run out of nic? Start buying cigs at $50-$100 a carton? Buy whatever ridiculously-priced and likely over-taxed vape products make it through the PMTA process? Or just be miserable, wishing they'd spent a few dollars more back then?

It would be great if there was a fourth option, wouldn't it? One that I've been rambling on about (and that I know you've been reading).

 

[stols001]

I am supplying myself nic for until I am 95. Believe me I don't want to but like, if I get there I might return to smoking, I hear when you are that old, like, your tastebuds are crap anyway, you have no appetite and etc., you are in a nursing home, probably with an STD from some elderly dude.

What is there to live for?

I kid. But ah, I have a fridge from the early 50s late 60s that I got at a church rummage sale it woks better than my BIG fridge (it also has wood paneling ) and I see no reason for a well built appliance not to last and ALSO, if it dies there is this thing you do called "transferring to another freezer" and etc.

Honestly, you might get more longevity from a USED freezer, depending on the brand, and also, that's a defeatist attitude. Have it if you must, but your arguments are pretty unconvincing if you ask me. I know you didn't but I would hate for you to discourage OTHERS.

"Oh noes, I might have to get a new freezer" is not a rationale for not stocking up. Well, I suppose it is one just not like the best one ever.

Anna

 

[stols001]

I have no idea why, but I have come to love Donald Trump, not really as a person, certainly not always as a president (although *I* personally would take him over the last guy ANY day of the week, but I work in the healthcare field and like I saw what he did, there. DECEMATION. Still not fully recovered.)

I mean... I also sort of judge presidents by how MY life goes during their presidency and those of the people I know. The Obama years were seriously the most miserable of my whole damn life. Sure, some if it was my choices but I SURE saw a lot of miserable people around me, too.

This president... So far, this time period, I get more spring in my step EVERY day. And I'm actually working for a liberal program that was founded in the 60s although it is ADMINISTERED now.

So, IDK. I don't love him as a president, but sort of as... IDK an Entity. He's this odd creature who every time I see him like, it cheers me up somehow,. Maybe he has alien DNA. Even the Juul picture didn't make me that mad. I was just like, "OH.. The entity that is Donald Trump is looking at some Juul posters!"

Also there are checks and balances and whatever Trump says or does ALL the lawmakers are gunning for ecigs in one way or another.

Anna

 

[iVapeDIY]

GOP allies circulate data showing vaping ban will sink Trump in 2020

Trump's 2020 campaign manager Brad Parscale also hit back at a Trump follower who tweeted that banning vaping products is "not on brand with MAGA."​

 

[Myrany]

GOP allies circulate data showing vaping ban will sink Trump in 2020

Trump's 2020 campaign manager Brad Parscale also hit back at a Trump follower who tweeted that banning vaping products is "not on brand with MAGA."​

All the more reason to keep the phone calls going in and the tweets flying. It is working!

 

[Astron]

This was my take initially upon hearing the news. I voted for Trump (not shy about it), and was dismayed by the fake news he peddled on Wednesday regarding need for a flavor ban.

But if Trump loses in 2020, our opposition (next POTUS admin) will make Trump look the president of CASAA, comparatively speaking. I do think in 2016, some (on the left) had that rationale at work, but if Trump isn't an ally to vapers, then American politics currently has no allies running for POTUS in 2020. At least that have a realistic chance of winning.

Whoever voted for whomever is in office at that time has greater power, in my humble opinion, of creating sway regarding vaping during their incumbency. I know for a fact that if my chosen elected were to be in office, I would be harder on that person.

Maybe some will find my reasoning convoluted, naive, or misguided, but folks have a way of being harder on “their own” (think family) because they know the opinions being thrown their way are coming from a place where the person giving the opinion WANTS the receiver to “see the light,” as it were. “Tough love,” some may call it. If one voted for Trump, surely he will be more likely to want to please his voters.

But everyone who has suggested contacting Parscale is on the money. I would lobby him and any other member of Congress who has the President’s ear.

 

[Astron]

The article mentions the White House is going to reschedule. I'm wondering if it was canceled because of the whistleblower thing and they needed to deal with that. Time to reschedule, Donald.

I worry that Azar has the reins right now and that POTUS will sign because he 1) has other things on his mind 2) the person presenting the bill has given him a reason that signing will be better for his re-election.

 

[stratus.vaping]

/start print Tirade about all politicians and legislator lackeys worldwide /goto start

There, I've said it.