Who or what is the biggest enemy/obstacle of vaping?

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Some potential nominees are...

--Robert Wood Johnson Foundation
--Stanton Glantz
--Big tobacco
--The mainstream media
--American Lung Association
--Campaign for tobacco Free Kids
--American Legacy Foundation
--Public ignorance and fear
--Disrespectful vapers
--Prue Talbot
--World Health Organization
--Lack of self-regulation
 

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It's simple
Look at all the organization's that need you to fear to exist and the money's that are generated them .
The government needs the money from tobacco but can't tell you that .
That's why it's ok to be on the patch or gum big pharm is making the money so that's ok
Till the 99% sey that's going to end then it will keep right on going on .
Think on this it's ok to be on methadone but bad to be a smack addict
 

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Who or what is the biggest enemy/obstacle of vaping?

I think the Biggest Obstacle is Time.

Mainstream Vaping is Relatively New. But the Industry is Moving Very Fast.

All of these People, Places and things you listed DC are Factors. But each on would be Effectively Neutralized given enough Time.

Unfortunately, Time is not on Our Side.
 

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Can we have several awards? I'd give the "Biggest Enemy Organization, U.S." award to the Robt. Woods Johnson Foundation, and the BEO Worldwide to the WHO. "Biggest Enemy as a Person, U.S." award to the Slantzz, and BEP Non-U.S. to Linda McAvan, ASH, UK.

If we could have a "Biggest Enemy to Public Health," I'd give it to the worldwide pharmaceutical industry.
 

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There are three:

Big Government: This country was founded on Tobacco. It was our number one export for many years. The entire Jonestown settlement would have fallen apart had not some enterprising farmer smuggled some tobacco seeds over and started growing tobacco. This country has been beholden to them since. Big Government makes more money off the sale of tobacco than the tobacco companies themselves. While they continue to speak out one side of their mouth about the "dangers" of tobacco, what they really are doing is perpetrating the monopoly tobacco has. Smoking cessation products are useless, and lead to relapse. Thus it is in the government's best interest to keep the smoker either on an ineffective smoking cessation program or hopelessly addicted to tobacco. And since Big Pharma and Big Tobacco pay them to do so, it's a win win for them.

Big Tobacco: Kind of self evident. Every vaper that stops smoking is a revenue loss for big tobacco. Since vaping has shown itself to be a pretty effective long term solution (compared to other forms of NRT) Big Tobacco can't count on vapers to return to the fold. They want to corner the vaping market so that they can either make vaping SO expensive as to be out of reach for many of us, or add chemicals to our vaping liquid so that we simply swap one addiction for another. Either way, Big Tobacco wants to change the way you and I vape. They want their proprietary hardware and e-liquid to be THE ONLY solution that is widely available. Once they control the hardware and the liquid, they can then manipulate the liquid in anyway possible, OR turn vaping into an activity that only the rich and trendy can afford. Haven't you heard? Good health is expensive. Ask Fresh Market, any organic food grower, or Volvo and BMW.

Big Pharma: Selling ineffective NRT lines big pharma's pockets quite nicely. And since the government and society continues to stigmatize smokers, it continues to bring profits. Big Pharma is the third spoke of the rotating door that we smokers find ourselves trapped in. Smoker quits with, pays big pharma, smoker relapses, smoker gets stigmatized, smoker decides to quit, pays big pharma....and so on and so on. Plenty of repeat business there.

These three are an unholy trinity all working together to keep the smoker, ashamed, frustrated and hopelessly addicted to their products until they die.

Vaping breaks the unholy trinity's hold on the smoker and is seen as a threat.

This is why you see government officials treating vaping products as the biggest health threat to face the planet, when in fact scientific evidence continues to point otherwise. And by using bad science and irrational and emotional arguments, they convince the low information voter likewise.
 
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American legacy Ha Ha! about 12 years ago the put up a TV commercial using some catch phrase ( it wasn't copyrighted or registered) so I registered a domain under that name and threw up a quick website, sent them a cease and decist email and told them to quit. about a week or so later they sent me a threatening letter, I ignored it, they pulled the TV add a few more weeks later they sent me a more demanding threat on letter head that included about 6 state governors some mayors lawyers etc. and threatened t ofile suit against me, I litigated w/them via emails and eventually sold them the domain name (although under parody law I didn't have to) all in all it was funny cause I shut their silly ... commercial down for 3 months... power to the little guy LOL!
 

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There are three:

Big Government: This country was founded on Tobacco. It was our number one export for many years. The entire Jonestown settlement would have fallen apart had not some enterprising farmer smuggled some tobacco seeds over and started growing tobacco. This country has been beholden to them since. Big Government makes more money off the sale of tobacco than the tobacco companies themselves. While they continue to speak out one side of their mouth about the "dangers" of tobacco, what they really are doing is perpetrating the monopoly tobacco has. Smoking cessation products are useless, and lead to relapse. Thus it is in the government's best interest to keep the smoker either on an ineffective smoking cessation program or hopelessly addicted to tobacco. And since Big Pharma and Big Tobacco pay them to do so, it's a win win for them.

Big Tobacco: Kind of self evident. Every vaper that stops smoking is a revenue loss for big tobacco. Since vaping has shown itself to be a pretty effective long term solution (compared to other forms of NRT) Big Tobacco can't count on vapers to return to the fold. They want to corner the vaping market so that they can either make vaping SO expensive as to be out of reach for many of us, or add chemicals to our vaping liquid so that we simply swap one addiction for another. Either way, Big Tobacco wants to change the way you and I vape. They want their proprietary hardware and e-liquid to be THE ONLY solution that is widely available. Once they control the hardware and the liquid, they can then manipulate the liquid in anyway possible, OR turn vaping into an activity that only the rich and trendy can afford. Haven't you heard? Good health is expensive. Ask Fresh Market, any organic food grower, or Volvo and BMW.

Big Pharma: Selling ineffective NRT lines big pharma's pockets quite nicely. And since the government and society continues to stigmatize smokers, it continues to bring profits. Big Pharma is the third spoke of the rotating door that we smokers find ourselves trapped in. Smoker quits with, pays big pharma, smoker relapses, smoker gets stigmatized, smoker decides to quit, pays big pharma....and so on and so on. Plenty of repeat business there.

These three are an unholy trinity all working together to keep the smoker, ashamed, frustrated and hopelessly addicted to their products until they die.

Vaping breaks the unholy trinity's hold on the smoker and is seen as a threat.

This is why you see government officials treating vaping products as the biggest health threat to face the planet, when in fact scientific evidence continues to point otherwise. And by using bad science and irrational and emotional arguments, they convince the low information voter likewise.

hit that Nail with a 16Lb sledge hammer!!! 10 points!!
 

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American Lung Association is the biggest in my book. They have some truly off the wall views on vaping.

I don't believe big tobacco is going to really but heads with vaping. I think they will hop on the money train and start producing more and more Ecigs and just charge astonishingly high prices for 'meh' products..as per usual
 

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--Public ignorance and fear

Remember, a politicians primary goal is reelection. They DEPEND on public stupidity, to allow them to "sell" what they are doing to their voters, when what they are doing is helping their biggest financial supporters. If the public were fully informed on a topic it would make a politicians job of supporting Big-T and Big-P against eCigs MUCH harder to sell.

Right now they are able to pass bans, and regulations, and say they are saving the children and the idiots believe them. Let the public realize that by banning vaping they are effectively causing more teens to smoke cigarettes than would if vaping were allowed in it's current form and maybe that will all change. In other words: people need to hear that "eCigarette bans will kill kids"!
 

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I don't believe big tobacco is going to really but heads with vaping. I think they will hop on the money train and start producing more and more Ecigs and just charge astonishingly high prices for 'meh' products..as per usual

That, or they will buy up a bunch of existing e-cig companies and a year (or less) later claim they are not profitable and take them off the market.

Considering Big Tobacco's money pot, they could take tons of vendors out of the picture without even noticing a dent in their profits.
 

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Ignorance.

Willful ignorance ... :blink:

I have a supervisor with a well-known 15 second attention span. If a concept cannot be explained within that time frame, he begins speaking, and stops listening ...

Perhaps most damaging to the vaping community are the embedded catch phrases, i.e. "antifreeze", "flavors marketed to children", "dual usage", "nicotine causes cancer", "exploding batteries", etc.

These will never go away entirely, its too late, they have achieved urban legend status ...

Maybe Myth Busters need to look into this ? :2cool:

P.S. I once served on a jury with a member who said "If he wasn't guilty, they wouldn't have arrested him, right ?" ... :confused:
 
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