No, it's not a stretch, just look at Chicago 2012 if you think this is the first time it's happened.
Who's Comin' Out to Cali in Sept for ECC (Electronic Cigarette Convention) at the Anaheim Convention Center?
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No, it's not a stretch, just look at Chicago 2012 if you think this is the first time it's happened.
Do you have any concrete evidence that proves that dividing the community was the goal?
I dont think that dividing the community was the end-goal. I think the purpose of creating the convention was to have kick ... vendors and modders all in one awesome place. I fully intend on going to ECC; even though I am gutted that its the same day as Vapefest which is being held in the city where I live.
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Does it really matter the reason? It shouldn't have happened.
And now that it has happened it should be fixed.
Either way, I'm going to Vegas.
And either way, I'm going to Vaptoberfest.
This Electronic Cigarette Convention is off my schedule.
And now that it has happened it should be fixed.
Either way, I'm going to Vegas.
And either way, I'm going to Vaptoberfest.
This Electronic Cigarette Convention is off my schedule.
I think you're being reasonable, Sissylala. I can dig that. But I think it's unreasonable and irresponsible to start attributing motive produced out of the thin air. I mean, who goes out and tries to create division for division's sake? It's certainly not the West Coast Vapers Club. They are known for bringing unity, not division, to our community. When sb648 was introduced here in CA it was the West Coast Vapers Club that organized representation in Sacramento, and the organizers were able to even get rival store owners to lay aside their differences and come together for a common cause - to protect our right to vape and oppose sb648 with one unified voice.
Yeah I dont think its intention was to create any division honestly, I just think its going to be an unfortunate by-product by having it on the same two days. It's already happening, at least in my small circle. Some friends going to Vapefest, others upset that Las Vegans are heading to Cali for ECC.
Im repeating whats being said, and for that I am guilty of being a gossiper. You are totally right that is unfair! I shouldnt have said anything without proof. I apologize for that whole heartedly. Ive nothing against West Coast Vapers Club, and myself am from Orange County, CA, so I absolutley support thier efforts. I wish however, that they would have reconsidered their timing on scheduling this fest. Perhaps they did. Perhaps they didnt. No one is saying.
Im repeating whats being said, and for that I am guilty of being a gossiper. You are totally right that is unfair! I shouldnt have said anything without proof. I apologize for that whole heartedly. Ive nothing against West Coast Vapers Club, and myself am from Orange County, CA, so I absolutley support thier efforts. I wish however, that they would have reconsidered their timing on scheduling this fest. Perhaps they did. Perhaps they didnt. No one is saying.
Well, obviously that part isn't as obvious as you make it out to be, so why don't you go ahead and actually make the argument for why it shouldn't have happened? And while you're at it, be thinking of some of the potential challenges that would prevent easily changing an event date at a major venue such as the Anaheim Convention Center, because I don't think you thought about it prior to your past post.
I don't know how far into planning they are, so I don't know if they can change the date.
But they shouldn't have made it the same date in the first place.
What argument am I supposed to make about that?
It shouldn't have happened.
But they shouldn't have made it the same date in the first place.
What argument am I supposed to make about that?
It shouldn't have happened.
I'm just saying, my friend, that without an argument to support your claim (where your claim is the conclusion) it's nothing more than a bare assertion. If you choose to stand on your claim as-is, then you must equally allow the claim "It should have happened." Get it?
Then in all fairness you should reserve speaking out in public about it until you understand it.
Ok, but if it's acceptable for someone to simply blurt out "It shouldn't have happened," then it is equally acceptable for another person to blurt out "It *SHOULD* have happened." So now we have two mutually exclusive claims on the table. Are they both true?
Tell me, tj99959, where do we go from here? Do we just accept both claims? It shouldn't and it should have happened???
Tell me, tj99959, where do we go from here? Do we just accept both claims? It shouldn't and it should have happened???
The end result is that many won't go to either because all of the vendors can't be at both, and .. at best .. the vaping community will be split between the two so that vendors only get half the chances to sell their products. So you tell me how it can be a good thing .... for anyone.
If I was a vendor, I would be POed beyond your wildest imagination because this would double my expenses to reach the same number of potential customers. OR, it would decrease the number of potential customers by only going to one of the events.
If I was a vendor, I would be POed beyond your wildest imagination because this would double my expenses to reach the same number of potential customers. OR, it would decrease the number of potential customers by only going to one of the events.
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There's no way to understand it when no one is talking.
And no one is going to talk unless someone is asking the questions.
If the organizers of this meet want to silence the critics then they ought to explain themselves.
That's pretty much the bottom line.
I've been waiting for years for a large regional Southern California vape meet, but it hasn't happened.
So I was excited about the Las Vegas Vapefest last time, but was unable to make it.
Then I found out about the new Las Vegas Vapefest, and I decided I wasn't going to miss it this time.
I've had my eye on it for many months now, and finally made week-long made vacation plans around it a few weeks ago.
So yeah, I'm kinda .......
And if you really want me to crawl off in a corner and keep my mouth shut, you would be better served to stop talking to me.
I've already said what I wanted to say, but I'll gladly keep replying to you if that's what you want.
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When do they plan on putting up more info regarding vendors and such? Sounds interesting but would like to know what I'm paying to see...
Not sure if I am allowed to post here being a vendor and all, if I am not I apologize and please forgive my ignorance.
I was at Chicago fest and VapeBash. The intentions of VapeBash were made very clear by the organizers. I spoke with the organizers on VP live on a broadcast. The intention of VapeBash was to draw people away from VapeFest out of an unfounded and childish hatred of Spike. I say again the intention was to DRAW PEOPLE AWAY or DIVIDE the community. There is no excuse for this kind of petty behavior. EPM has chosen to attend neither event as a result of this nonsense. I strongly believe that the California event (ECC) intentionally placed their event on the same day in order to continue the march of this ridiculous feud. This only hurts the community and the vendors alike, Grow up and maybe we will attend your event. But EPM will not be manipulated to serve your posturing and ego's.
I was at Chicago fest and VapeBash. The intentions of VapeBash were made very clear by the organizers. I spoke with the organizers on VP live on a broadcast. The intention of VapeBash was to draw people away from VapeFest out of an unfounded and childish hatred of Spike. I say again the intention was to DRAW PEOPLE AWAY or DIVIDE the community. There is no excuse for this kind of petty behavior. EPM has chosen to attend neither event as a result of this nonsense. I strongly believe that the California event (ECC) intentionally placed their event on the same day in order to continue the march of this ridiculous feud. This only hurts the community and the vendors alike, Grow up and maybe we will attend your event. But EPM will not be manipulated to serve your posturing and ego's.
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