why am i coughing?

[anavidfan]

I agree with angel. This is what there is to work with so Im gonna ask some questions that might help

If using a wattage controlled device , can one not just dial it back in to lets say 12watts and since with regulated devices, isnt build kinda irrelevant?

Im still new to the regulated use so Im still learning myself.

When I first got into vaping I was told that you get more control with VV and VW. So no matter what the build is on the atty, you basically control the heat, output of clouds by dialing back the wattage/ voltage?

So if the OP, closes off some of the air flow, and dials the wattage down to the 8 to 10 wont the performance be pretty close to the cig-a-like?

Im probably all wrong, but thought Id get the OP some help and help myself

 

[lil_buddy]

That approach can work for some people, but it really depends on a few things.

Will the person vape until they are over cigarettes and then move on from vaping also.. if yes, then yes.

Will the person stick with vaping, either they have more than a nicotine dependency but also have an oral fixation, or simply because they like/enjoy it, then no, it'll be money wasted as they'd outgrow the pen types very fast.

If anything, many people never "like to vape" (didn't anything for them) or found vaping to work for them because the pen type is all they tried and it just wasn't good enough to provide them with the levels of stimulation that they needed.

The Melo 3 is an easy to "tone down" tank with closing the airflow and using low wattage, while being sub-ohm, it still requires low nicotine liquids.

Since he's already got he Melo3 and whatever mod he's got (which I'd guess at the Pico), there's no reason to go with anything else at this point, plus, he has the full flexibility to increase the output should he need it.

Agreed, it depends on many factors. After 2 years tootle puffing with my ego batteries and protank minis, my upgrades to the eleaf ijust 2 (tank uses the same coils as the melo 3 ) & the topbox mini kits have been disappointing and extremely frustrating. If I had started with stuff like that - stuff that produced painfully hot vapor, leaked, spit, made me cough - I believe it would have taken me much longer to quit cigarettes. In fact, I might have given up on vaping altogether.

I realize many other people are happy with those products right out of the box since they have great reviews which lead me to purchase them. It takes all kinds to make a world - as the saying goes.

 

[Imfallen_Angel]

I agree with angel. This is what there is to work with so Im gonna ask some questions that might help

If using a wattage controlled device , can one not just dial it back in to lets say 12watts and since with regulated devices, isnt build kinda irrelevant?

Im still new to the regulated use so Im still learning myself.

When I first got into vaping I was told that you get more control with VV and VW. So no matter what the build is on the atty, you basically control the heat, output of clouds by dialing back the wattage/ voltage?

So if the OP, closes off some of the air flow, and dials the wattage down to the 8 to 10 wont the performance be pretty close to the cig-a-like?

Im probably all wrong, but thought Id get the OP some help and help myself

Overall, almost yes to all.

You can dial down a coil to a minimum, basically until it simply doesn't provide enough power to vaporize the liquid.

It's always better to start low, and increase bit by bit until you hit your "happy zone". The coils for the Melo tanks are fairly large compared to the older types, so regardless, they will need a minimal power and the output will be a (quite a) bit higher than something like the Kanger Aerotanks or original Nautilus.

Some argue that you can't use such a tank for MTL, because to them, a mtl tank needs to be over 1ohm for coils, very tight draw (not much airflow at all, nor be it all that adjustable) and must feel like a clogged drinking straw to be "right".

I tend to disagree with this mindset, I find that restricted airflow by closing it down and limiting the power to the coil, you can get an almost identical experience... and at least, if the person switches to direct lung, all they have to do is increase the airflow and the wattage.

Another advantage to using a tank like the Melo over the other mentioned for mtl is that a lot of those tanks uses very low capacity coils and one little opps, and you've killed the coil (burned it out).

The other argument is "OMG FLAVOUR!!!!" , something that I consider one of the biggest psychosomatic thing in vaping... some believe that some tanks will be like meeting Jesus.. I tend to go with "if you aren't tasting it correctly, your setting are wrong, your coil is bad" or something of the sort...

Seriously, come on, all tanks are the same, airflow that hits the coil that's heating the liquid to vapor, and up the chimney to the mouth. The only differences is the size and type of coil, the wicking that needs to be working right, and the difference in the airflow, where some will hit the coil more directly, but tanks like the Melo, that uses vertical coils, you cannot have a different experience between it and any of the other tanks that uses the same coils (and I have several, simply due to different fill approach, styles, etc.) but yet, many will argue that another tanks, with the same coil, same airflow, same chimney will somehow make the "flavour more amazing and better".

oppss.. sorry I ranted a bit there.

 

[Hawise]

The Melo 3 is a great tank for the simple fact that it's part of the Atlantis coil family, which means that you have over a dozen coils to choose from.

One of the available coils isn't even a sub-ohm. The Triton 1.8 ohm coil might work better for @maltrix93. I'll also echo the suggestion of lowering the power.

If you decide to try the Triton 1.8 ohm coil, just make sure you get the Triton and not the Triton Mini.

 

[Imfallen_Angel]

Agreed, it depends on many factors. After 2 years tootle puffing with my ego batteries and protank minis, my upgrades to the eleaf ijust 2 (tank uses the same coils as the melo 3 ) & the topbox mini kits have been disappointing and extremely frustrating. If I had started with stuff like that - stuff that produced painfully hot vapor, leaked, spit, made me cough - I believe it would have taken me much longer to quit cigarettes. In fact, I might have given up on vaping altogether.

I realize many other people are happy with those products right out of the box since they have great reviews which lead me to purchase them. It takes all kinds to make a world - as the saying goes.

Me and the wife started over 9 years ago... with the tiny cigarette type with "liquid and coil" cartridges that looked like the cigarette's cotton filter... and we had to suck those like a clogged straw. They lasted forever, but barely outputted anything, and replacements were hard to get at the time. Eventually we were able to rebuild those using aquarium filter material and PG flavouring.

Then eventualy the EGO type started, not that different, but were followed by the first tank (plastic) type, but still no coil replacement at this point.

Then the micro coils type with 2, 4 or 8 strand of wicking.

These eventually lead to the first mod and tanks, which changed everything and were the first true "modern" system that turned into the mods and tanks of today.

(note that we skipped the mech mod phase, as I understood that I simply didn't feel like putting a potential pipe bomb to my face)

But as per what you're saying... to be honest, many jump in with the heavy hitting tanks and manage just fine, while others can barely take a low power "hit" ... heck, even "heavy smokers" that have tried my kits at low power have trouble handling it.. but I've also learned that many simply don't really smoke per say, they just made it a habit to have smoke in their mouth (hence absorbing the nicotine and crap by association) , and they are more about the oral fixation than the smoking itself.

 

[lil_buddy]

Me and the wife started over 9 years ago... with the tiny cigarette type with "liquid and coil" cartridges that looked like the cigarette's cotton filter... and we had to suck those like a clogged straw. They lasted forever, but barely outputted anything, and replacements were hard to get at the time. Eventually we were able to rebuild those using aquarium filter material and PG flavouring.

Then eventualy the EGO type started, not that different, but were followed by the first tank (plastic) type, but still no coil replacement at this point.

Then the micro coils type with 2, 4 or 8 strand of wicking.

These eventually lead to the first mod and tanks, which changed everything and were the first true "modern" system that turned into the mods and tanks of today.

But as per what you're saying... to be honest, many jump in with the heavy hitting tanks and manage just fine, while others can barely take a low power "hit" ... heck, even "heavy smokers" that have tried my kits at low power have trouble handling it.. but I've also learned that many simply don't really smoke per say, they just made it a habit to have smoke in their mouth (hence absorbing the nicotine and crap by association) , and they are more about the oral fixation than the smoking itself.

I have two devices right now fully loaded for use with identical fluids: a mini protank 3 (1.5 or 1.8 ohm) on an ego battery and a cubis tank with a 0.5 ohm coil on a kbox mini mod. I can pull as hard as I want all day long on protank, the cubis makes me cough if I set the power to where I get any sort of vapor. I can use the cubis with the 1 ohm coil without coughing, but I have to baby it and constantly clean it to keep it from spitting.

 

[Imfallen_Angel]

I have two devices right now fully loaded for use with identical fluids: a mini protank 3 (1.5 or 1.8 ohm) on an ego battery and a cubis tank with a 0.5 ohm coil on a kbox mini mod. I can pull as hard as I want all day long on protank, the cubis makes me cough if I set the power to where I get any sort of vapor. I can use the cubis with the 1 ohm coil without coughing, but I have to baby it and constantly clean it to keep it from spitting.

no questions about it, some tanks and their coils are simply better made.. sadly, I've never tried the Cubis, but then, can't say I know anyone that uses it. But that's the part I mentioned, the larger the coil, the more power you have to give it to get it to vaporize the liquid... it's all about how low can your start with it, and how high to reach your "sweet spot". But maybe the Cubis (which is a top airflow from what I checked), has a very difficult to reach limit for what would be your "sweet spot" that wouldn't make you cough.

 

[maltrix93]

So what do I do for big dense clouds? That's what I want without it being hot and burning my throat. Already figured out why my vape was hot that's how I found this forum lol can mine do do big dense clouds

 

[SteveS45]

@lil_buddy vaping is not smoking and if you are getting smoke from you vape there is something wrong. With vaping devices it is VAPOR. Please do not call Vaping Smoking.

 

[LMS62]

more smoke = more lung irritant = more coughing

These subohm coils are designed specifically to make more smoke and your melo III comes with a 0.3 & 0.5 ohm coils.

Your cig-a-likes probably had a resistance in the 2 ohm region.

If you currently have the 0.3 ohm coil in there, switch to the 0.5 and close off the airflow as much as possible; this might make it more enjoyable for you.

Please do not refer to it as "smoke". It is not smoke....it is vapor. The vaping community already has it's hands full trying to educate people on how vaping is not smoking, but when we have those who vape referring to it as smoke, that is certainly not helping. Thanks.

 

[lil_buddy]

Please do not refer to it as "smoke". It is not smoke....it is vapor. The vaping community already has it's hands full trying to educate people on how vaping is not smoking, but when we have those who vape referring to it as smoke, that is certainly not helping. Thanks.

Sorry, no. The word smoke can be used to describe that which comes out of vaping devices . In casual parlance, it can describe "a visible suspension of carbon or OTHER particles in air." I have not misused the word.

In fact, to describe the product of vaping as vapor is scientifically incorrect since it is not a gas, it is an aerosol which is a "suspension of particles dispersed in air or gas."

 

[SteveS45]

Smoke is produced by combustion and not by vaporizing e-Liquid.

 

[Opinionated]

When I first quit smoking and started vaping I coughed so much that I would cough until I threw up, (especially in the mornings) and I was just using an ego with a CE4.

A couple things alleviated that and made it lighter, a higher vg content in the eliquid I was buying, and a better tank. But it still took a month to stop coughing like that. That is mainly from quitting smoking, your getting rid of a lot of nasty stuff out of your lungs, and you do that whether or not you quit cigarettes without vaping, or with.

I was talking to my doctor a few months ago and his uncle had quit smoking from a 40 year habit and two years after quitting he was still coughing up nasty stuff periodically. Depending upon how long you smoked, will often depend on how long you will be coughing stuff up. I still cough stuff up sometimes, but it's much more rare.. your initial quit month will be the worst of the coughing though.

Listen to what people are saying, maybe don't go so high on the wattage, get something more gentle, go with a higher vg content, and use as low an amount of nicotine as you are able. Make sure you have a smooth tank, that you can use exactly how you used to smoke.

If you still smoke the occasional cigarette, then sit down and pay attention to EXACTLY how you take a drag and inhale, then try to replicate that exactly with the tank your currently using. It's easy for someone who was a mouth to lung cigarette smoker, to start direct lung inhaling with your vaping device, so if you find after paying strict attention that this is what your doing, then this could also contribute to your problem.

Make sure that the tank set up you have now is made for the type of inhaling that you did with a cigarette, if your using a direct lung tank now, then change to a tank made for mouth to lung inhaling.. for me, I had to really pay attention at first to avoid direct lung inhaling. I don't know why, it was just easier to do when vaping. So you will have some break in time to get used to the mechanics of vaping and do it in a way that is beneficial to you.

Also, depending on your tank, you might need to take a primer puff without inhaling, (suck into your mouth then blow it out) immediately prior to taking your inhale puff. You can see if this helps you some as well.

Just know, it's a learning curve, pay attention to all the advice you get from people who have been there because we are all different, and have different experiences so what one person's experience is might not be yours and you might find your specific answer anywhere. Good luck to you, and congratulations on quitting.

ETA: go for walks, especially now that it's spring. Exercise will help clear your lungs out a little faster.

 

[maltrix93]

When I first quit smoking and started vaping I coughed so much that I would cough until I threw up, (especially in the mornings) and I was just using an ego with a CE4.

A couple things alleviated that and made it lighter, a higher vg content in the eliquid I was buying, and a better tank. But it still took a month to stop coughing like that. That is mainly from quitting smoking, your getting rid of a lot of nasty stuff out of your lungs, and you do that whether or not you quit cigarettes without vaping, or with.

I was talking to my doctor a few months ago and his uncle had quit smoking from a 40 year habit and two years after quitting he was still coughing up nasty stuff periodically. Depending upon how long you smoked, will often depend on how long you will be coughing stuff up. I still cough stuff up sometimes, but it's much more rare.. your initial quit month will be the worst of the coughing though.

Listen to what people are saying, maybe don't go so high on the wattage, get something more gentle, go with a higher vg content, and use as low an amount of nicotine as you are able. Make sure you have a smooth tank, that you can use exactly how you used to smoke.

If you still smoke the occasional cigarette, then sit down and pay attention to EXACTLY how you take a drag and inhale, then try to replicate that exactly with the tank your currently using. It's easy for someone who was a mouth to lung cigarette smoker, to start direct lung inhaling with your vaping device, so if you find after paying strict attention that this is what your doing, then this could also contribute to your problem.

Make sure that the tank set up you have now is made for the type of inhaling that you did with a cigarette, if your using a direct lung tank now, then change to a tank made for mouth to lung inhaling.. for me, I had to really pay attention at first to avoid direct lung inhaling. I don't know why, it was just easier to do when vaping. So you will have some break in time to get used to the mechanics of vaping and do it in a way that is beneficial to you.

Also, depending on your tank, you might need to take a primer puff without inhaling, (suck into your mouth then blow it out) immediately prior to taking your inhale puff. You can see if this helps you some as well.

Just know, it's a learning curve, pay attention to all the advice you get from people who have been there because we are all different, and have different experiences so what one person's experience is might not be yours and you might find your specific answer anywhere. Good luck to you, and congratulations on quitting.

ETA: go for walks, especially now that it's spring. Exercise will help clear your lungs out a little faster.

What settings or things do I need to make a dense cloud?

 

[Opinionated]

What settings or things do I need to make a dense cloud?

I guess that depends on what you mean by "dense cloud". I'm vaping on a provari 2.5 with an 18650 battery, using a Nautilus Mini tank, at 4.6 volts at the moment, and I am exhaling "clouds" the same size I did when I smoked cigarettes, vaping a max vg juice.

 

[Bunnykiller]

vape is not the same as smoke... its a different chemical and it takes time to become accustomed to it. Secondly, as you cut back on smoking, your body will try to reject the goo that has built up in your lungs. Try easing into vaping instead of doing a complete switch... vape when you can and smoke when the vape isnt cutting it... eventually you will find yourself wanting the vape more than tobacco ...

 

[djsvapour]

So what do I do for big dense clouds? That's what I want without it being hot and burning my throat. Already figured out why my vape was hot that's how I found this forum lol can mine do do big dense clouds

Dense clouds = lots of vapor. You're not going to get that on cig-a-like or gen' 2 devices.

You are going to get that with sub-ohm. You can either cool the vapor with 1) lots of airflow or 2) a temperature controlled device.
I don't like hot vaping or insane power but I have vaped at high watts for interest/fun/flavor.

Melo III (on a Pico mod?) is good enough for decent 'medium' clouds in my estimation.
To an extent, hotness and harshness go hand in hand. People lower the harshness by vaping lower nicotine and higher VG e-liquid.
But, Rome wasn't built in a day and if you find your Melo a bit harsh at 14w, there might not be an instant fix. You could buy some low strength liquid in max VG and have the airflow as open as possible, but it might not work for you at first.

 

[Imfallen_Angel]

What settings or things do I need to make a dense cloud?

like djsvapour said... if at 14W it's harsh on you, you would have to take the time to adjust to it first.

Lower the nic level (you never stated what you were using). The Melo can put out quite a bit, but it isn't a full on cloud chasing machine, but is you wanted, it could be a lot more powerful but you'd have to start rebuilding the coils so to have something that really puts out. But as cloud chasing goes, you'd have to go towards RTAs or RDAs, dual coils... the more wire, the more larger gauge, all means more surface to vaporize more liquid.

Just take in account that the bigger the clouds, the faster you'll use liquid.

 

[maltrix93]

like djsvapour said... if at 14W it's harsh on you, you would have to take the time to adjust to it first.

Lower the nic level (you never stated what you were using). The Melo can put out quite a bit, but it isn't a full on cloud chasing machine, but is you wanted, it could be a lot more powerful but you'd have to start rebuilding the coils so to have something that really puts out. But as cloud chasing goes, you'd have to go towards RTAs or RDAs, dual coils... the more wire, the more larger gauge, all means more surface to vaporize more liquid.

Just take in account that the bigger the clouds, the faster you'll use liquid.

Thank you

 

[BrotherBob]

I recently was given a vape for my bday (melo III) I'm running on 14.0w and when I get to much vape it makes me cough some is it something im doing or because im trying to switch to vape from 305 cigar cigarettes.?

Welcome and glad you joined. Hang in there.
Might like to read:
Coughing at the begining
"4. Coughing
Probably the most common symptom of tobacco smoking cessation, along with sputum / phlegm production. The severity and duration may depend on how heavy a smoker you were before switching, and how many cigarettes are smoked while transitioning to vaping."
re: A list of symptoms when quitting tobacco and changing to an ecigarette