Why are PV's being regulated in the 1st place. The juice with nicotine I can understand.

[sqirl1]

I guess you got a point, I wouldn't mind seeing what a Marlboro or Camel E-cig would taste like (I'd just get one disposable one out of curiosity). TBH I don't hate BT NEAR as much as I hate BP. BT never claimed tobacco was good for you, yes they attempted to hide HOW bad for you it was, but unlike BP they don't try to pressure doctors to pressure teachers to pressure parents to force their kids to take something that's basically .... in pill form. BT does market their products to kids for sure (ESPECIALLY camel), but it's NOT to the good straight "A" kids, its to the little isht-heads who already smoke pot and underage drink all the time anyway (EDIT: I mean these days anyway). Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to downplay how bad smoking is, but at the same time I think BP is truly the more evil of the 2 since they lie to and take advantage people in need.

oh and btw @rothenBJ my name is Sqirl1, as in Squirrel, my other name I use almost everywhere else is "sqrrlsarge", which is a reference to the game conker's bad fur day, and I made this one because it's a little more..... incognito.

 

[rothenbj]

sqirl1, sorry! Age and hour of the day, as well as mentally seeing "girl" on a quick look caused the error.

I totally agree about BP or perhaps we should call it BM for Big Medicine covering both Pharma and Hospitals. Doesn't anyone else get tired and disgusted by ALL the ads, both TV and Radio, that we get inundated with day in and day out? I can't sit in front of the tube or listen to the radio without hearing how something they are pedaling will make us all better.

The cost of health care is too high and these money junkies can't help but try to entice us to use their product or service to cure what ails us. I really don't need to have some hospital telling me about their cyber knives and how they're non-invasive or how they have a pill that will cure us if one of the 50 reasons they list don't kill us. I think our doctors should be giving us this information, not drug and service pushers. Plus, let's face it, tobacco ads were more entertaining (for those that can remember back that far).

 

[MoonRose]

Plus, let's face it, tobacco ads were more entertaining (for those that can remember back that far).

LOL ... now that's age telling isn't it? I well remember all the cig commercials from the 60's, 70's and into the early 80's when they finally started baning them from TV.

 

[sqirl1]

I saw the flintstones winston commercial on youtube, THAT was messed up. cig commercials in cartoons...... granted flintstones wasn't considered a childrens show like it is today but looking at it today it just looks baaddddddd

 

[rothenbj]

Moon, yes, the I remember the ads from all those times but the mid to late sixties. If you can remember them, you really weren't living the sixties!

 

[Vocalek]

sqirl1, sorry! Doesn't anyone else get tired and disgusted by ALL the ads, both TV and Radio, that we get inundated with day in and day out? I can't sit in front of the tube or listen to the radio without hearing how something they are pedaling will make us all better.

The cost of health care is too high and these money junkies can't help but try to entice us to use their product or service to cure what ails us.

Do you think that it is just a coincidence that they changed the law/rules on using Flex Spending $ so that you can no longer us it to buy OTC medications, at just the time that they came out with prescription versions of the B-vitamin Niacin (Niaspan) and Fish Oil capsules? So folks will be asking for the Rx versions with cost about 10 times more, which will drive up health care costs yet again.

Plus, let's face it, tobacco ads were more entertaining (for those that can remember back that far).

It's what's up front that counts.
Come up, come up, come all the way up.
You've come a long way, baby.
Winston tastes good, like a cigarette should.
I'd rather fight than switch.


A while back someone came up with the idea of twisting around that last slogan to make it apply to e-cigarettes: I'd rather switch than die.

Would't that look great on our picket signs and T-shirts? For a visual, we could use the two pix that Kristin put on the CASAA door decals -- regular cig inside of a red circle with diagonal slash next to green circle with e-cigarette inside.

 

[MoonRose]

Would't that look great on our picket signs and T-shirts? For a visual, we could use the two pix that Kristin put on the CASAA door decals -- regular cig inside of a red circle with diagonal slash next to green circle with e-cigarette inside.

Elaine, what a great idea, I'd buy a T-shirt like that in a heartbeat and maybe have bumper stickers or car window decals with that on it too.

 

[APD99]

...I wouldn't mind seeing what a Marlboro or Camel E-cig would taste like (I'd just get one disposable one out of curiosity).

BT has put so many fillers and additives into cigarettes besides the nic to keep you addicted that it would turn the e-cig back into an analog in terms of health. Giving BT a chance to "help us out" could lead to tham putting out their own brands of juice custom tailored to taste just like that old analog you used to love. Who wouldn't love to be able to run down to the convienience store and pick up some lottery tickets a 501 atty and a 30ml Marlboro VG. Trusting them NOT to put all that bad stuff right back into us would be like asking the delinquent over in the corner with the vodka flask in his hip pocket to mix up the punch for the school dance. IMO we need to keep BT as far away from e-cigs as we possibly can, if for no other reason than the fact that we're using this product to fight off the effects that BT's product has had on us (not their fault though because we all asked for it).

 

[TomCatt]

As much as everyone hates the idea, we really should be trying to get the BT companies on our side, because without them there is no nicotine. In all truth, we actually need the BT companies as much as they are going to be needing us as more and more people start turning to the use of electronic cigarettes and other smokeless tobacco products. Let's face it folks, the BT companies have the money that we don't have and could help us with lobbying. If there is a way to form some sort of partnership with them that benefits all of us, it's worth looking into. Just my worth.

I agree completely, Moon.

 

[Demarko]

Elaine, what a great idea, I'd buy a T-shirt like that in a heartbeat and maybe have bumper stickers or car window decals with that on it too.

Cafe Press could do something like that easily - maybe get us some coffee mugs and ashtrays (haha !) while we're at it.

 

[Vocalek]

BT has put so many fillers and additives into cigarettes besides the nic to keep you addicted that it would turn the e-cig back into an analog in terms of health. Giving BT a chance to "help us out" could lead to tham putting out their own brands of juice custom tailored to taste just like that old analog you used to love. Who wouldn't love to be able to run down to the convienience store and pick up some lottery tickets a 501 atty and a 30ml Marlboro VG. Trusting them NOT to put all that bad stuff right back into us would be like asking the delinquent over in the corner with the vodka flask in his hip pocket to mix up the punch for the school dance. IMO we need to keep BT as far away from e-cigs as we possibly can, if for no other reason than the fact that we're using this product to fight off the effects that BT's product has had on us (not their fault though because we all asked for it).

Have you forgotten that BT is now regulated by the FDA?

 

[Vocalek]

Elaine, what a great idea, I'd buy a T-shirt like that in a heartbeat and maybe have bumper stickers or car window decals with that on it too.

So, Dorothy, do you want to be the one to tell Kristin that she has a new artwork assignment?

 

[APD99]

Have you forgotten that BT is now regulated by the FDA?

I'm pretty sure that BT is not as of yet regulated by the FDA. The legislation is being pushed but hasn't been passed yet. BT is still only regulated for quality of product by BATF and not for additives or carcinogens by FDA. All BATF cares about is that it gets taxed right and that there is less than 1 part per so many of insect parts or rodent excrement in your analog.
Here's the article from the National Law Journal:
Big Tobacco Companies Battle Over Altria-Backed Bill to Impose FDA Regulation

 

[yvilla]

APD, your article is from 2007. The legislation handing over full regulatory power over tobacco to the FDA was passed in June 2009. It was called the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act of 2009. Here it is: http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...=111_cong_public_laws&docid=f:publ031.111.pdf

And here is the FDA page for its new Center for Tobacco Products: Tobacco

 

[APD99]

APD, your article is from 2007. The legislation handing over full regulatory power over tobacco to the FDA was passed in June 2009. It was called the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act of 2009. Here it is: http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...=111_cong_public_laws&docid=f:publ031.111.pdf

And here is the FDA page for its new Center for Tobacco Products: Tobacco

WOW!!! Sorry someone looking over my shoulder gave me that link and I didn't even check the date, regardless, the point stands that the amount of crap in an analog hasn't really changed in a long time. Still the idea of letting BT back into my life now that i'm finally rid of them just dosen't sound good to me, you can trust Big Brother to watch over BT but the minute that Phillip Morris starts making e-juice is the day I toss my PV. Back to OP's statement though, PV's are not by definition a smoking cessation device and shouldn't be subjected to FDA regs any more than say a humidifier or an air conditioner. I also found an FDA approved PV (an ugly one but add some AVE Rootbeer and I'm all over it) so they can stuff that into their non-fat decaf latte:
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[rothenbj]

Elaine, those tshirts would be great!

 

[rothenbj]

ATF, I'm going to have to disagree with your opinion of BT. Yes, cigarettes are bad for you because you inhale smoke, like firewood and diesel fuel. BT has been made a villian by TC for so long the we are led to believe they're evil. They're not. Just another corporation working for shareholder value.

 

[APD99]

So, Dorothy, do you want to be the one to tell Kristin that she has a new artwork assignment?

I'd buy a few bumper stickers if they had the magnetic backing

 

[APD99]

ATF, I'm going to have to disagree with your opinion of BT. Yes, cigarettes are bad for you because you inhale smoke, like firewood and Denise fuel. BT has been made a villian by TC for so long the we are led to believe they're evil. They're not. Just another corporation working for shareholder value.

I'm not saying that BT is any more evil than any other corperation out there. It's a game of profit plain and simple. If, however Toyota made a product that had a known recognizable componant that was guaranteed to cause health problems and then put something into the interior of the car that made you physically and psycologically compelled to buy and use that car on a daily basis.....well Toyota defects have killed less people than BT additives and we ALL saw which side of the stick THEY got handed.

 

[Vocalek]

Perhaps I should have elaborated.

If we assume for a moment that BT had nefarious motives and added chemicals to cigarettes to make them more "addictive", they would not be able to add those chemicals to e-cigarettes once e-cigarettes are regulated as tobacco products.

Actually, there is a list of a 599 chemicals that tobacco companies are allowed to add to tobacco cigarettes. The majority of these are flavorings or flavor enhancers. You will not find any psychoactive chemicals on that list. The List of Additives in Cigarettes - Additives in Cigarettes

The tobacco plant contains more psychoactive chemicals than nicotine, such MAOIs. These are not added ingredients. They are added by Mother Nature. The plant also contains tobacco-specific nitrosamines that have been linked to cancer. An additional 4,000 chemicals are created when the tobacco is burned. Many of these are toxic or carcinogenic.

Currently, the ingredients in liquid are PG and/or VG, water, flavorings, and nicotine. At this point, the only psychoactive chemical in e-cigarettes is pharmaceutical grade nicotine. The FSPTCA requires full disclosure of ingredients. So if a tobacco company has bought out an electronic cigarette company, if the company wants to put in some additives that are not FDA-approved flavorings, they will need to get permission from the FDA first.