Why buy an APV?

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There really isn't a difference between rbas other than small things like airflow size and placement.

You can modify a Nova to produce just as much vapor and flavor as anything else out there. Just rebuild the atomizer head with #500 ss mesh and screw the nova tank on to the airflow you enjoy. Wallah! A Vivi Nova rba that hits like a freight train.
 

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Yinzer, I've got lots of different PVs (Lavatube, Silverbullet, Reo, etc.) and my 650mah Twist and my 1300mah Spinner are my most used PVs. I exclusively use Vivi Novas with my PVs. The Twist and a Mini Vivi Nova is small, light, dependable, leak free, hassle free, provides a great vape and just works.

I'm perfectly content despite people telling me I should want something bigger and better.

I didn't even realize there was a 1300 mah spinner :lol: I just goggled it...looks like I have my next purchase :lol:

Anyone you recommend buying one from? AltSmoke doesn't carry them, and I generally use them as a supplier.
 

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Yinzer:7933166 said:
The 1300mah Spinner is the perfect size to me. Its not too long and the added thickness feels "right". I like the look it provides with a mini nova.

Where did you purchase yours? Madvapes has them for $25. I'm already sold :lol:

Actually ... I think I got mine at madvapes too when they were running the 10% off deal.
 

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I started with Smokeless Image Volts and an X2 (their eGo sized battery). I moved on to the Altsmoke BB and Silver Bullet for more versatility in battery life, larger juice capacity, and more choices in juice delivery devices. Going with more durable battery carriers than the "disposable" stick and eGo type devices was a major factor also. I can carry just one APV with an extra battery in tow instead of the need for carrying multiple devices. I prefer to buy American made APV's that will continue to service their product after warranty.

I had no intention of advancing on to variable voltage until the owner of Altsmoke took my Silver Bullet and added a sleeve and Kick to it for demo purposes. I was frankly amazed at tasting my favorite juice at higher voltage for the first time. Since I change flavors so frequently and figured I would need to change the voltage for each one (which turned out to be true), a Kick for my SB did not appear to fit my intended vaping experience. I went with a regular-sized Provari and couldn't be more pleased.

I would have preferred a Mini Provari to use for quick out-and-about runs to the store, but I couldn't justify another $175 + batteries at the current time. I got a Smoktech Variable Voltage Gripper for $50 and so far have been quite satisfied. Like many of the cheaper Chinese APV's that use PWM, it hits hotter than its set voltage, but I realized this before I bought it and adjust the voltage accordingly. I may still award myself with a Mini Provari for my 1 year smoke-free anniversary.
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So to answer the OP question, I feel it boils down to how long do you want the device to last you:

Short-term durability devices:
These are the rechargable batteries such as the stick batteries and eGo batteries that have a limited expected life span and are rated for 250 or so charges. Then they will need to be replaced. Cheaper to buy initially and closer to an analogue in form factor, but the battery duration is limited by its smaller size. 3-4 hours for the cig-look-a-likes; 6-12 hours for the longer eGo's. These are are relatively fragile when compared to the devices in the next category. More than one must be carried as a second one will be needed while the first one is being recharged. Narrow form factor can limit the capacity of juice carrying devices used.

Long-term durability devices:
These are the battery holders (tube or box mods) that are built to last years, and use replaceable batteries. More expensive initially, but the use of stronger materials will allow these devices to take some punishment yet continue to work. Only one device need be carried; when the replaceable battery's charge dies, it is merely replaced by another small battery. Much easier to carry a couple small batteries along than multiple additional devices like the stick or eGo batteries.

Depending upon the size of mod/batteries used, these devices can be used up to all day or more with a single battery. The batteries are cheaper (< $10) and last longer (said to last up to a year). The larger form factor also allows for larger juice carrying devices such as a cartotank, which can hold up to 8ml of juice.
 
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I came REAL close to buying a gripper but the cheap plastic casing made me hesitate and ended up getting a vamo.

Love the form factor of the gripper
Love the battery life
Love the screen

The Vamo uses the same screen as the gripper so atleast I have that. Just wish devices like the gripper performed more accurately because the battery life is insane.

And I think you should definitely get a Pmini to celebrate 1 year if money is no object. Love the tear drop design on that puppy.
 

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Just throwing it out there. I have been using the Twist since August. I own two. Combined with some lightly modded clearos and EMDCCs, I am highly satisfied. Works well 98% of the time. Two fully charged batts last me 3 days. I've never been stuck, can take them anywhere. And there hasn't been any noticeable drop in performance even with many recharges. And 25$ a pop, not bad.

But I've been eyeing up a Zmax or the new evic. My question...if the Twist has been serving me so well, what benefits will I notice, and are they worth the upfront cost?

I've heard convincing arguments for the advanced PVs, but the thing that keeps me from taking the leap is mostly the size of them. I'm happy with my stick batteries. They get the job done. If it was a battery life issue, I would simply get a pass-through. I don't want a big 'ol honkin PV. Just my preference.

Size aside, I think you will be happy with at least one advanced PV in your setup simply for the features and possibilities it offers. Being able to read ohms and set power levels is pretty sexy stuff. If you want to use your old clearos or cartos.. boom you're already there! If you want to go with rebuildable atomizers, you've got got that option to explore as well. I wouldn't dream of doing RBAs without at least one APV.

But if you're "highly satisfied" you don't need an APV. But nobody can say it wouldn't be nice to have at least one in their arsenal. Just my thoughts.
 

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I came REAL close to buying a gripper but the cheap plastic casing made me hesitate and ended up getting a vamo.

Love the form factor of the gripper
Love the battery life
Love the screen

The Vamo uses the same screen as the gripper so atleast I have that. Just wish devices like the gripper performed more accurately because the battery life is insane.

And I think you should definitely get a Pmini to celebrate 1 year if money is no object. Love the tear drop design on that puppy.

go with a dual 18650 VV box mod there are some very reasonably priced well made ones to be had out there.
 

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With the accurate output and ability to set it to the watts you prefer to vape at, there is no contest really. The twist just can't compete. Poor things, I really used to like them. I still throw one in my purse as backup but if I am reaching for a vape, the twist seems to be left out in the cold.

I agree with you vsummer. But for somebody like me who has very little use for anything VV (I never set it above 4.0 :)) I just don't see spending $$ on anything with lots of electronics. I do have a bottom feeder but it is totally mechanical. I do like the ability to change out my batteries w/out losing my entire vape though. With Twists, you can't use 'em when they're on the charger. :)

Twists are probably never a bad buy, for the price, they will always be in somebody's drawer somewhere, and an excellent backup even if they've "moved on" to bigger and better stuff.
 

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But if you're "highly satisfied" you don't need an APV. But nobody can say it wouldn't be nice to have at least one in their arsenal. Just my thoughts.

I love my Toyota Tacoma truck.

There are days when I'd love to have a fancy big honkin' expensive SUV cross-over vehicle w/4 wheel drive and a cattle catcher on front.

I live in the country so either would be useful, but to be honest, I lke the option of "abusing" my stuff, and I never worry about driving the Toyota over the worst, pitted, muddy, county roads, nor roads that are being freshly paved and loose gravel is flying up hitting my windshield and truck body. :) I can throw some straw bales in the back for my critters, as well as furniture from aucitons and not worry about dingin' it up.

So, which is nicer to have, I dunno. "It depends" is the answer. :)
 

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I don't know if the twists have the same problem as the other e-go's but if they do I would consider them a semi-disposable PV. Use it until you fry the circuits and toss it. I am cheap so I would suggest using the e-go's until they are shot and then buying an upgrade. I would suggest anything with an 18650 battery that is variable voltage.

I suppose you can also consider it shopping time and find what you are looking for and jump on a deal when it comes along. For instance I was looking to try VV I already was using 18650's in my Don. So I waited for a deal. Vapor 9 had a lava tube on sale for $27 delivered so I bought it. Not that the Don is ever going to break it's just that I had the time to shop and wait for a steal. I still use the Don the most but in the morning I like the lava tube because I can crank down the volts and not cough my head off.
 

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APV is better in the long run disposables are always more expensive. I have not tried one yet I do have a eVic on the way from China I am thinking it will be hands down better than the Zmax Smoktek has been putting out poorly calibrated inconsistently functioning mods for some time now all of the Max family leaves a lot to be desired. Joytech on the other hand is probably the most trusted name in mass produced ecigs out of China. since your content for now Id wait till some of us reviewers and gotta have it two weeks before it hits the marketers puts the eVic to the test.

The Zmax 2 is well calibrated, and a number of reviewers have tested it and found it accurate. To continually say it isn't is just misinformation.

Test results on the Zmax 2 are here:
Morandir test results on the 18350 - RMS on watts
Morandir test results on the 18650 - RMS on watts
Mountain Prophet's test results on volts and watts. The bold black numbers are the Zmax 2.
Solemn Penguin on the variable voltage..
And Phil Busardo's review, with accurate test results.

That's four unbiased testers reaching the same conclusion - that it is accurate.

The Vamo, also known as eGo APV, is also accurate.
 
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Personally I didn't buy APVs out of any necessity. It started as a celebration and I like them. You don't necessarily need an APV to be a satisfied vaper tho. Having said that, with the Vamo, also called the EGo APV at $40, and for even less on one site, an accurate APV with vv/vw, ohms check, and volts check becomes affordable and a lot of people are buying them - both veterans and newer vapers.
A lot comes down to preference, and battery life/replaceability I think.
 
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I have a silverbullet and a bolt. Don't see any real big difference between the Vision Spinners (similar to the twist). The batteries last longer but they are not VV mods. I like them for hanging around the house but not taking in the car to work. I realy like the spinners and have no need to search for another APV to replace them. At 4.8 setting the Spinner can crank out the vapor with the right Carto attached.
 

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I didn't even realize there was a 1300 mah spinner :lol: I just goggled it...looks like I have my next purchase :lol:

Anyone you recommend buying one from? AltSmoke doesn't carry them, and I generally use them as a supplier.

I bought mine from HoosierEcig.com. I've bought a lot of stuff from him and have been very satisfied. Great prices too.
 
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