808D section seems an odd choice for this thread, no?
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Why can't someone make a rechargeable PV that is the same size of the NJoy King and vapes like it too?
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Yea. Confused.
808D section seems an odd choice for this thread, no?
I laughed a little, cause it's like people think having a cig sized ecig with a light at the end that glows like ash is a new thing. It's not new, it's the first ecig that was released. The lightness and squishiness is new, and the ridiculous 45mg per ml nic content in a disposable is new, but that's it.
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Ok, a little mea culpa from me here...
I did not realize just what the NJoy King is. I, ignorantly, assumed it was just another mall kiosk cig-a-like. For that I apologize.
Reading you guys wax poetic about it's virtues has piqued my intrest, and it sure does sound to me like my Halo, Volt, eRoll suggestion was way off base. Seems they are different beasts all together.
If you'll forgive me, I will now go look into this King a bit more.
I did not realize just what the NJoy King is. I, ignorantly, assumed it was just another mall kiosk cig-a-like. For that I apologize.
Reading you guys wax poetic about it's virtues has piqued my intrest, and it sure does sound to me like my Halo, Volt, eRoll suggestion was way off base. Seems they are different beasts all together.
If you'll forgive me, I will now go look into this King a bit more.
I've been vaping since the very, very beginning here in the U.S. I know what you're talking about, but I'm going to have to respectfully say that your premise is only half true as it relates to my OP.
The ecigs that first came to market prominence, i.e. Smoking Everywhere, did not 1.) have a PCC to charge batts and, more importantly 2.) did not produce a throat hit anywhere near what any one single person I have had try one would consider to be commensurate with what you get from a real cigarette. Not to even mention the horrible atomizers that wore out after 5 days.
After these initial ecigs were shown to perform poorly, the market shifted, and that's when we got bigger devices; devices that performed better. Some had PCCs and cartos, others tanks and huge variable voltage batts.
The NJoy King, though, is THE real deal. Don't believe me? Go buy one. I smoke outside of my office building with about 20 different people. Almost all of them tried the King after I bought a few. They ALL loved it. Each and every one of them. The only thing they had to say about it was something like "I heard on the news that these things can kill you just as fast as the real deal". F course that last part just shows how dis-informed people are, thanks to the media getting ahold of bogus info at that time.
I digress. Anyway, the only problem with the King is the outrageous price and very short battery life. I started this thread because I want to understand why no one has made something the very same size and weight (.2 oz I believe, and Volt is .6 oz and eRoll is .4oz) but made it rechargeable and easy to refill.
Despite what large mod fanboys on this very small subculture might say about cigalike size ecigs, it's obvious that the general smoking populous wants a true 1-to1 cigarette to ecig exchange if they're going to quit smoking tobacco cigs.
Wait, why is this in the 808 forum? I mean, the King isn't even model specific, but isn't the NPro 4081?
Ok. I did. Well, the "free" sample offer on their website anyway. But not because I DON'T believe you. I did it because I DO believe you. You obviously have great passion for it.
I know what you're saying, but the thing is most people who try any cig-a-like from my experience are surprised how much they enjoy it. I started on a KR8 and my problem wasn't not enough throat hit. I could get higher nic if I wanted more TH, but I found 18mg comparable to cigs. My problem was battery life, hence the desire of most of us for bigger ecigs. Bigger batteries don't perform better, just longer, and charging every couple hours is a pain.
The King only revolutionized form, which I can see it being more attractive to new vapers, but even if it was rechargeable, they'll still run in to the issue of short batt life. The only important innovation I can see happening for cig-a-likes is more mAh in a small battery. That won't happen until batteries as a whole reach next generation technology.
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The King only revolutionized form, which I can see it being more attractive to new vapers, but even if it was rechargeable, they'll still run in to the issue of short batt life. The only important innovation I can see happening for cig-a-likes is more mAh in a small battery. That won't happen until batteries as a whole reach next generation technology.
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I think it's worth giving a try, heck it's only 8 bucks, if you hate it that's probably one of the cheaper ways to loose money trying out different PVs. The King is a special little mix of different qualities and seems to be greater than the sum of it's parts. There really isn't much that's terribly new or different in overall design, but it's a very good refinement of the old design. All those little things that make most cigalikes not seem like cigarettes are addressed with the King.
Obviously you are still vaping, so it's impossible to literally be identical to a real cigarette. But it's darn close, and for sure closer than any other cigalike.
Do you still like cigarettes? Maybe a silly question but I know some vapers absolutely hate cigarettes or anything close to them, so obviously those people would probably hate the King. In that respect, it's a compliment to the King for them to hate it.
But if you still really want something close to a cig, you won't find anything better than the King.
I don't think there's any need to apologize for assuming the King was just like all the other cigalikes out there, very reasonable assumption to make, as the King is basically one of a kind, if you hadn't personally tried it you wouldn't expect it to be as good as it is.
Plus it's generally assumed that only new vapers would be lusting over cigalikes and tobacco flavors, so the assumption could be made that people who lust over the King don't know what they are talking about
Both assumptions would be wrong of courseI wanted to add another personal experience I had with the King. A friend came over one night, and as I opened the door I had a King hanging out of my mouth. He had a disappointed look on his face and asked if I was back to smoking. I figured I'd mess with him and see how long it took him to realize it was actually an ecig.
So I said yes, and he didn't even realize it was an ecig until the suspicion of an everlasting cigarette that never burned down to the filter became too much, and reality set in. He never mistook any other cigalikes I've owned for the real deal.
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I would get a lighter plastic rechargeable cig-a-like to replace using the metal Volt for short errands, but I wouldn't use it if the only option is pre-filled 45mg nic cartos. I love vaping way too much, and that high nic would severely limit how much I could do it.
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I,can't put into words the passion I have for it. I guess it's better said that I have great passion for its potential.
I have been a looooong time reader of posts on this forum, but never much of a poster. I always used this forum as a knowledge resource. Now I really felt the need to speak up. Rechargeable, cheaper NJoy type units are definitely where this industry is going. I want it to get there faster. I guess I posted this to see if others feel the same way.
Can you guys really imagine a large percentage of tobacco smokers in he world walking around smoking huge mods, or even eGos? Really try to imagine it.
Don't get me wrong. I use the big PVs. I love 'em. I do realize though that the reason we see so many large PV fans on this site is because of the demographic, in that I mean the typical forum user us a young tech-savvy person who isn't afraid of technology. The people I see smoking outside,of my office building every day would never post anything on any forum. Those people are the majority.
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Yea, this is exactly what I do. I use the Volt with both regular and X2 batts as my mainstay device. I use the NJoy King when I take my "smoke breaks" at work and when I'm in the car and want a super lite ecig dangling easily from my lips while I shift gears, etc. . .
I have one coming in the mail, did the pay $3 for shipping get a free one deal, and plan on just using it for work breaks. It might actually last me several days that way. I'm a wuss and chose the 30mg one, I'd actually be afraid to inhale the 45mg lol.
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Don't know if it has already been stated but the ePuffer Colibri/Nano is 100% the same size as the NJOY King and is of course a rechargeable PV. All others mentioned are NOT 7.8mm x 84mm.
Why in the hell is this thread STILL in the 808 forum?
And yeah, Colibri. DawnBella knows her .... with the minis.
And yeah, Colibri. DawnBella knows her .... with the minis.
Yea, I mentioned it in the opening post. I own the Colibri, also the SafeCig Micro. I have to say: those were the absolute worst purchase I have made this decade so far. I am being very literal when I say that when you drag off these ecigs, you may as well be sucking in air. I amigo be the only reason anyone ever buys refills for these devices is because they are unaware that other PVs exist.
Ha! How did I not see that? lol
Never had that experience even once with the colibri/nano and trust me, I am fully aware. I will say that the Safecig Micro pre's are horrid so I tossed that kit way back. You can never get them to send your fresh ones. The Safecig Micro is not real cig size anyway.
For those who MUST have the real cig size, the colibri/nano is the only option to the NJOY KING. I would highly suggest using their blank cartomizers and fill with a quality liquid. They are bottom feeding coils so it is also best to drip directly into the center hole. It gives the effect of dripping right on to an atty. Since they are so tiny, you cannot expect for them to last for days. Use a fresh one now and again lol
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Hey UncleChuck, since you're so good at making diagrams (and I'm assuming you love doing it too), could you create one for the slightly different design I mentioned above? If you could do that, I was going to give it to my buddy who is a photoshop master and have him create a real mock-up. If he won't do it, maybe I can mine for a photoshop pro here on Ecig forums.
Yeah no problem at all. Like I said, I wish I could do it in Autocad because I could actually make it a real 1:1 scale, and have proportions perfect and everything else. Then I could render it with color and have it look pretty damn realistic.
Unfortunately I'm stranded using MS Paint, but I'll do my best
So what's the difference between your idea and the diagram I posted? Is it just the opposite connection (mine was male on the carto, yours was male on the battery)
Anything else you wanted changed or added to the design? Let me know all the specifics (either here or in PM, whatever is easier for you) and I'll draw something up asap.
BTW, your right, I do love doing it. Now if I only had a 3-d printer to play around with........ it would be like owning China inside a box
Yeah no problem at all. Like I said, I wish I could do it in Autocad because I could actually make it a real 1:1 scale, and have proportions perfect and everything else. Then I could render it with color and have it look pretty damn realistic.
Unfortunately I'm stranded using MS Paint, but I'll do my best
So what's the difference between your idea and the diagram I posted? Is it just the opposite connection (mine was male on the carto, yours was male on the battery)
Anything else you wanted changed or added to the design? Let me know all the specifics (either here or in PM, whatever is easier for you) and I'll draw something up asap.
BTW, your right, I do love doing it. Now if I only had a 3-d printer to play around with........ it would be like owning China inside a box
Yea, you're right, they're pretty much the same thing. Well...you love doing it, so not I guess? That way, if we have the opportunity to present any of this to prospective manufacturers (high hopes), we can give them different pre-proof-of-concepts along with detailed write-ups, etc. Let me see I can get my buddy to photo-chop it up for us too. He's really, really good. I want him to maybe take a concept like the eRoll, give it more of a real cig makeover, and make it presentable inside and out.
Oh and yea, when 3d printers become cheaper by the end of the decade, I think I'll also become addicted to autocad/design applications.
By the way, I'm guessing you already know this, but Google has a pretty good free auto-cad-type program. I forget what it's called. I messed around with it and drew up my bedroom and all the furniture mist worked pretty well. You can add textures and everything.
Just tried the King today. Here's my impressions, copied from a post I put in the natural tobacco thread...
Today I received the Njoy King disposable, free with $3 paid for shipping. Fascinating. Looks and feels exactly like a smoke; light papery, squishy. Draws just like a smoke too. I went for the lighter version, which at 30mg is the highest nic I've had. Was too timid to try the 45mg. Throat hit is big of course, but not as harsh as I was expecting. Guessing they use all vg because of the vapor.
People say it tastes just like a cigarette. It kind of does, but in that wangy chinese way. I've had this flavor before in prefilled cartos. Other than the wanginess, it's harsh, ashy, and tastes nothing like tobacco, much like a cigarette. It's a good example of artificial versues naturally extracted tobacco. NETs taste like real tobacco, like what cigar and pipe smokers experienced. Even some artificial ones I've tried mimic real tobacco, often sold as pipe or cigar flavors. If someone wants to mimic a cig, get some Dekang, or even better vape some high mg unflavored juice. If you want real tobacco flavor, NETs is the path.
As for the King, this would work if I was coming from cigarettes. As a vaper, this is the same crap chinese liquid that I'm glad I moved away from. Blech.
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Today I received the Njoy King disposable, free with $3 paid for shipping. Fascinating. Looks and feels exactly like a smoke; light papery, squishy. Draws just like a smoke too. I went for the lighter version, which at 30mg is the highest nic I've had. Was too timid to try the 45mg. Throat hit is big of course, but not as harsh as I was expecting. Guessing they use all vg because of the vapor.
People say it tastes just like a cigarette. It kind of does, but in that wangy chinese way. I've had this flavor before in prefilled cartos. Other than the wanginess, it's harsh, ashy, and tastes nothing like tobacco, much like a cigarette. It's a good example of artificial versues naturally extracted tobacco. NETs taste like real tobacco, like what cigar and pipe smokers experienced. Even some artificial ones I've tried mimic real tobacco, often sold as pipe or cigar flavors. If someone wants to mimic a cig, get some Dekang, or even better vape some high mg unflavored juice. If you want real tobacco flavor, NETs is the path.
As for the King, this would work if I was coming from cigarettes. As a vaper, this is the same crap chinese liquid that I'm glad I moved away from. Blech.
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