Why cartomize over 2 piece?

[Heywould]

Ive been reading more and more post regarding cartomizers and refilling etc. I use the joye510 with standard cart/atty. i use the polyfill but i made a slight mod to it, i fut id down and thinned it down so its about 1/4" long and fits simi loosly in the end of the cart. a full cart will last me all day on a work day- about 10 cigarettes worth i would guess. its almost all juice and my method allows me to vape till the polyfill is almost completely dry before i taste a slight burnt flavor. i just remove the fill and refill and off i go. it takes me 10 seconds at most.

i went in to all that to ask why or what is the advantage of the cartomizer? in your opinions?

FYI i have 10 cartomizers with the adaptor and i dont use them, i dont get nearly the vapor or TH out of them like i do the cart/atty.


this is really a question its not a slam on the device at all.

 

[tarheeldan]

I don't use cartos myself - but I would imagine it's nice that you can switch flavors more easily buy just grabbing another carto...and not worrying about flavor overlap on the atty like you do with a 3-piece. 'course if you have a ton of 510 atty's, one for each flavor it amounts to the same thing but at higher cost.

 

[j0ker]

I didn't care for the cartomizers on 3.7volt but then I tried it on my 5volt and it's great. As tarheeldan mentioned,the convenience of flavor changing is one. At 5 volt they also last longer than carts, the flavor is better, and not too hard to refill either.

 

[DrkLashes]

Easy flavor change, less change of leaks, no playing with mods or filler, easier switch if you need a vape NOW and either your cart is dry or god knows what else, and if you have a real bad history with attys like I do so far- cartomizers can possibly be a little cheaper. That being said- I still love my 510 atty... We just have a love-hate relationship some days!

 

[Heywould]

i see. its more personal experience not really better or worse. I have 5 attys and 10 carts but i only use 2 or 3 atty/carts with different flavors.

I can see if people had atty troubles with the 510 it would make them want to change. i had a rough time getting the 510 to work perfect. it took getting a battery mod and learning how to fill without flooding and learning a good technique.

i took a cartomizer apart and its a completely different design from the 510 type not jsut the filler but the element etc.

i was curious about the cartomizers and thought it may have a benefit that i didnt notice, i guess the benefit is if i just want to use and toss out.

 

[Thyestean]

I mainly use the 510s but I actually prefer 510 & 901 with dripping and 401 with carts over the cartomizers myself.

 

[Kent C]

Ive been reading more and more post regarding cartomizers and refilling etc. I use the joye510 with standard cart/atty. i use the polyfill but i made a slight mod to it, i fut id down and thinned it down so its about 1/4" long and fits simi loosly in the end of the cart. a full cart will last me all day on a work day- about 10 cigarettes worth i would guess. its almost all juice and my method allows me to vape till the polyfill is almost completely dry before i taste a slight burnt flavor. i just remove the fill and refill and off i go. it takes me 10 seconds at most.

i went in to all that to ask why or what is the advantage of the cartomizer? in your opinions?

FYI i have 10 cartomizers with the adaptor and i dont use them, i dont get nearly the vapor or TH out of them like i do the cart/atty.


this is really a question its not a slam on the device at all.

You mean why cartomize over a 3 piece. But I agree with you on all points. The 'fuss and leaks' are overstated, esp. when most carto users refill anyway. They are good for very physically busy people - moms juggling kids, doing 2 or 3 jobs and other jobs that you can imagine where cartos would be perfect. Otherwise, I'm unwilling to give up the vapor mainly, but also the flavors I like that don't do well even in blank cartos because the internal atty can't stand up to a 510 on a good mod batt. There really isn't a choice here for me. Yeah, I have the adapter for those situations but for the most part I have no need for them. There's only one flavor that is special c.m.frap. and I can get that in nobacco juice.

 

[Heywould]

i decided today that i am going to do a battery mod tonight when i get home. i have a 510 pass through that i dont use anymore (since i got the laser mod) so i am going to take one of those battery holders that you put in old devices like camera flashes etc. it will hold 4, i will put 4 1.2v rechargeable batteries in it for a total of 4.8 volts and 8000mAh. ill just solder the wires onto the battery contacts on the PT so i wont have to cut the usb plug off. that should give me a simi HV mod and i can try the cartomizers on that. not to mention that thing should last me a couple days at a time.

ill post pics and stuff in the mod forum if it works.

 

[gregsgirl71]

I switched from the 510 atty to the adapter and cartos.... I got tired of dripping and dropping and leaking and fussy attys.... I love my cartos... I do refill them, but only because it's more cost effective. I don't refill all day, or have to top off every few puffs... I go through roughly a carto and a half a day.... give or take.... But it is hard to tell because swapping flavors is soooooooooo much easier that I find myself doing it more... I get plenty of TH and Vapor for my needs and I switch between 8mg and 11mg... 18mg if it's a really bad moment.... I do realize however that TH and Vapor production are very subjective... I have also noticed a diference in flavor, but that could just be one juice from another....

 

[oso]

Ive been reading more and more post regarding cartomizers and refilling etc. I use the joye510 with standard cart/atty. i use the polyfill but i made a slight mod to it, i fut id down and thinned it down so its about 1/4" long and fits simi loosly in the end of the cart. a full cart will last me all day on a work day- about 10 cigarettes worth i would guess. its almost all juice and my method allows me to vape till the polyfill is almost completely dry before i taste a slight burnt flavor. i just remove the fill and refill and off i go. it takes me 10 seconds at most.

i went in to all that to ask why or what is the advantage of the cartomizer? in your opinions?

FYI i have 10 cartomizers with the adaptor and i dont use them, i dont get nearly the vapor or TH out of them like i do the cart/atty.


this is really a question its not a slam on the device at all.

so you fill the cartridge with fluid and then just stick 1/4 inches of fill on the top end? This doesn't flood the atty?

 

[Heywould]

You mean why cartomize over a 3 piece. .

IMO it should be a 2 piece. ive seen everyone refer to it as a 3 piece but we're talking about carts and atomizers not batteries and carts and atomizers. when we talk about cartomizers its a 1 piece. the battery is a constant for the most part, other than mods.....

either way. you are right everyone else calls them 3 piece..


i just like to be different and upset the cart as they say.

 

[Heywould]

so you fill the cartridge with fluid and then just stick 1/4 inches of fill on the top end? This doesn't flood the atty?

No it never does, BUT there is a technique to it also. when i first fill it up i have to point the ecig up so the juice isnt able to flow toward the wick. after a few i hold it level for a few then point it down. this allows me to vape every last bit of juice out of the cart and never floods the atomizer. (If i do it right, had that problem in the begining)

also i dont get juice in my mouth. there is as ive said in another post on this a bit of learning but once you got it down its easy and sooo much better.

 

[DC2]

In a revolutionary turn of events it turns out that 510 users who try cartomizers by using an adapter and their 510 batteries may not be getting even close to the same experience that the cartomizers users are getting with their KR808D-1 batteries.

When I vape a cartomizer with my own juice, on a true 3.7v battery, it's pretty nice.

See this thread for more information: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/joye-510/65055-battery-voltages-surprise.html

 

[Kelemvor]

a 510 on a true 3.7V is even nicer. if one likes it a bit more harsh.

sorry, the 2 piece give me nothing i miss on my 510- devices. i have a bunch cartos, but
they are not half worth the hype people here make out of them.

the only real outstanding but underrated carto is a G120 or VR4 Greencig Cigar.
put that on a mod like the Kameleon or selfmade boxmod and you really get some Vapor and Taste.

 

[Heywould]

In a revolutionary turn of events it turns out that 510 users who try cartomizers by using an adapter and their 510 batteries may not be getting even close to the same experience that the cartomizers users are getting with their KR808D-1 batteries.

When I vape a cartomizer with my own juice, on a true 3.7v battery, it's pretty nice.

See this thread for more information: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/joye-510/65055-battery-voltages-surprise.html

Interesting, ill do my HV mod tonight and try the cartomizer on that. i can see the adapter causing an issue..

for the record i have the laser mod battery i use for the cartos, it uses a 3.7v 375mAh battery.

 

[DC2]

i can see the adapter causing an issue..

Apparently, it's not the adapter, but the 510 battery itself.
8-o

 

[Heywould]

Apparently, it's not the adapter, but the 510 battery itself.
8-o

Ahh.. well as i mentioned i use a laser mod battery. (won from ikenvape.com thanks Issac) so thats not the issue i have then

 

[Kent C]

In a revolutionary turn of events it turns out that 510 users who try cartomizers by using an adapter and their 510 batteries may not be getting even close to the same experience that the cartomizers users are getting with their KR808D-1 batteries.

When I vape a cartomizer with my own juice, on a true 3.7v battery, it's pretty nice.

See this thread for more information: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/joye-510/65055-battery-voltages-surprise.html

Just so you know, I, for one, have a KR8 batt and I don't get any more vapor out of it than a 510 mega. While I have no reason to not believe the info Scott put up on the batteries, I personally don't have the means to test them in the same way that he does and I also haven't seen anyone else that has done the same tests. Scubabatdan, I know, has the ability to do it, as he's done that with mods - iow, taken a reading with a load on the atty. My 510 batts read at 3.7v on a multimeter but again, not with the load from the atty. Plus the KRP batt has an 8 second cutoff that is actually only 4-5 seconds which cuts into building a good vape and it lasts 2 hours vs. 4 with the 510 mega.

And Scott lists the ToreGo as also not having that much voltage with a load but I'd ask people that have the Tornado or eGo if they think that they get better vapor and longer lasting peak voltage with their ecigs vs. a regular 510 or a mega. I can even see a difference in performance with the mega for a period of time and a much longer period of time with the Tornado - not as long as the 14500 batt but much better than the numbers show on the regular 510 batt.

It's like when you said what you experience on the Chuck, awhile back. I said 'yeah!!' lol. Well, I don't get quite that with the Tornado but closer than the number posted would suggest. I know ymmv on almost all of the hardware - I've had new 510 attys that read at 2.0 and some at 2.5 - both Joyes. I've had batts that read in at 3.5 and 3.89v. A good combo can perform quite differently and a bad combo can act like a supermini or a M4xx on vapor (I know the flavor is good ;-)

I'm glad Scott found out some stuff - it helps explain some stuff but I still get more vapor on a regular 510 with a 510 atty than I do with a KR8 OR a 510 mega with a cartomizer. And that works the same way all the way up to 5Volts. Yeah, you're getting more vapor with each along the way but the 510 atty still 'wins' at any level. I'm not saying you disagree here, just taking this post to tell it like it is.

 

[Heywould]

Just so you know, I, for one, have a KR8 batt and I don't get any more vapor out of it than a 510 mega. While I have no reason to not believe the info Scott put up on the batteries, I personally don't have the means to test them in the same way that he does and I also haven't seen anyone else that has done the same tests. Scubabatdan, I know, has the ability to do it, as he's done that with mods - iow, taken a reading with a load on the atty. My 510 batts read at 3.7v on a multimeter but again, not with the load from the atty. Plus the KRP batt has an 8 second cutoff that is actually only 4-5 seconds which cuts into building a good vape and it lasts 2 hours vs. 4 with the 510 mega.

And Scott lists the ToreGo as also not having that much voltage with a load but I'd ask people that have the Tornado or eGo if they think that they get better vapor and longer lasting peak voltage with their ecigs vs. a regular 510 or a mega. I can even see a difference in performance with the mega for a period of time and a much longer period of time with the Tornado - not as long as the 14500 batt but much better than the numbers show on the regular 510 batt.

It's like when you said what you experience on the Chuck, awhile back. I said 'yeah!!' lol. Well, I don't get quite that with the Tornado but closer than the number posted would suggest. I know ymmv on almost all of the hardware - I've had new 510 attys that read at 2.0 and some at 2.5 - both Joyes. I've had batts that read in at 3.5 and 3.89v. A good combo can perform quite differently and a bad combo can act like a supermini or a M4xx on vapor (I know the flavor is good ;-)

I'm glad Scott found out some stuff - it helps explain some stuff but I still get more vapor on a regular 510 with a 510 atty than I do with a KR8 OR a 510 mega with a cartomizer. And that works the same way all the way up to 5Volts. Yeah, you're getting more vapor with each along the way but the 510 atty still 'wins' at any level. I'm not saying you disagree here, just taking this post to tell it like it is.

I am starting to agree/see this myself. i did my mod i mentioned when i got home. i get much more vapor and TH from my 510 than i do from any of my cartomizers with this mod.( 4 AA rechargeables @ 4.8V W/8000mAh) dont get me wrong the cartomizer is fine by itself its just that IMO a good 510 atmoizer with a good cart works about twice as good. i can only draw on the 510 with the mod for a couple of seconds but i can toke on the cartomizer hard and not get over powered.

Im not trying to say the cartomizer is bad, its not. i was just trying to find out what the advantage of one over the other was. now i know....

 

[NCC]

Odd the way opinions vary. I have five PVs (I count my standard 510 and mega 510 as one in the same), only one two piece. My KR808D-1 wins on taste, hands down. Three of my PVs use the 510 vaporizer, and they seem lacking in the taste department. Very subjective. I'm sure there must be a reason for the large numbers of 510 fans ... but, I just am not seeing it. My favorites right now are the Janty Kissbox and the KR8. Subject to change, although not as quickly as my current favorite juice flavors.