Why cartomize over 2 piece?

[Kent C]

Heywould:I am starting to agree/see this myself. i did my mod i mentioned when i got home. i get much more vapor and TH from my 510 than i do from any of my cartomizers with this mod.( 4 AA rechargeables @ 4.8V W/8000mAh)

Nice!

dont get me wrong the cartomizer is fine by itself

There's a place for them. That place is larger for some, smaller for others. I've never considered topping off a cartridge 'fussy'. Once I make up my cart mods I don't mess with them and they don't leak. Much of the reports of 'leaking' and flooding is just newbies in the process of nailing down the routine, but those posts are used as 'ammo' against 3 piece ecigs. lol.

When I reported the "underflavor" that I experienced on certain cartos, it seemed like people came out of the woodwork to chime in on experiencing the same thing. I was unaware of the 'known issue' because I didn't participate in those thread or forums. But I mention it honestly and people validate my observations and some simply don't taste it. It may be that genetic thing with taste. For those that taste it, it is not pleasant.

its just that IMO a good 510 atmoizer with a good cart works about twice as good.

I wouldn't even go that far on some flavors from V4L, but the 510 does have the advantage on vapor and despite the post above, on certain flavors too. Some flavors no but when I say it enhances some flavors I'm particular to note which ones those are and which ones aren't enhanced. I can't taste my favorite ejuice on an 901 or 801. I can't taste the full body of Black Currant on the 510. But because I can't get the full taste of the Black Currant, I'm not going to make a blanket statement that 'the 510 kills flavors'. It doesn't. It enhances some and subdues some. IF it truly killed flavors you wouldn't see 50%+ over all other ecigs. People wouldn't stand for it. If a person doesn't like strong flavors and only likes the lighter fruit/berry/etc. flavors, then they should get a 901 and then don't vape it on a 5 volt.

i can only draw on the 510 with the mod for a couple of seconds but i can toke on the cartomizer hard and not get over powered.

Im not trying to say the cartomizer is bad, its not. i was just trying to find out what the advantage of one over the other was. now i know...

Good. I'm glad you tried it out yourself and were objective in your observations.

 

[~Jo~]

When my 510 is performing at its best, I prefer it. However, I'm not there yet with having some sort of perfect 510 cart system down, so my cartos are far more consistent. Since I'm still smoking, trying to transition to only using my PV, consistency matters.

I never wanted a system that I would have to perfect on my own; I wanted something I could use straight out of the box. I wanted something that would *immediately* help me fight against smoking another cigarette. There's a learning curve to using either type of device, and it doesn't help if one is also learning to deal with suckworthy carts. So, I wish that I had started with cartos and then moved on to try the 510 and/or other devices when/if I felt the need.

I wish people would drop the "which one is better" attitude. There's no answer, only a list of pros and cons that will make each device more appealing to different people, and even some of the pros and cons are subjective. Both have helped people quit smoking, and *that* is supposed to be the whole point.

 

[Scottbee]

Let me throw another $.02 in here just to confuse things a bit more.

V4L has recently come out with their "Premium" cartomizers. These appear to be made by a different manufacturer than their previous offerings.. or perhaps it is just a new design by the old manufacturer. I don't know.

But.. I will say that the performance from the new cartomizers is markedly different from their old offerings. Substantially more vapor production.. and a "hotter" vape. This can be chased down to a lower cartomizer internal resistance.

But here's the rub, and it's unfortunate. There appear to be two different "types" of "Premium" cartomizers. One has a soft "silicone feeling" cap and the other has a hard plastic cap. While they are both labeled as "Premium" cartomizers.. they are different in design, both internally and externally. The ones with the hard cap are giving me resistance readings in the 2.7 to 3.0Ω range. The ones with the soft cap are giving me numbers in the 2.3Ω range. That's 510 atty performance!

Leaford @ V4L says that even more performance improvement is on the way. A "Ultra Premium" cartomizer is in the works.. and the standard cartomizers are going to be phased out. It's going to be very interesting to see where all of this goes.

 

[TuNeCedeMalis]

I found the cartridges to be a nuisance. They were messy and inconsistent. From there I exclusively dripped. I love dripping and always will, but even that became a hassle as every time my friends and I went out for a cigarette, I'd be a few moments behind everyone as I had to drip. After dripping it would take no more than 3 hits to get it going good. I switched over to cartomizers recently, and wasn't sure how I felt about them. I was able to just pull out a cig at will which was a plus, and switching flavors was quick and easy. Another plus for me was that the cartomizers would fit in my 510 pcc, where as before I had nowhere to put my atomizer. In other words I went from carrying my pcc with a bat and carts, a bottle of juice, and my atomizer. Now I carry my pcc with bat and carts inside. The only complaint i had at first was the vapor production. Since then, I've found that (at least on my 510) it required a different technique I guess for hitting it. Now my vapor production is just as good as my native carts. That's why I went over to them anyways. I still love dripping though.

 

[Kent C]

Let me throw another $.02 in here just to confuse things a bit more.

V4L has recently come out with their "Premium" cartomizers. These appear to be made by a different manufacturer than their previous offerings.. or perhaps it is just a new design by the old manufacturer. I don't know.

But.. I will say that the performance from the new cartomizers is markedly different from their old offerings. Substantially more vapor production.. and a "hotter" vape. This can be chased down to a lower cartomizer internal resistance.

But here's the rub, and it's unfortunate. There appear to be two different "types" of "Premium" cartomizers. One has a soft "silicone feeling" cap and the other has a hard plastic cap. While they are both labeled as "Premium" cartomizers.. they are different in design, both internally and externally. The ones with the hard cap are giving me resistance readings in the 2.7 to 3.0Ω range. The ones with the soft cap are giving me numbers in the 2.3Ω range. That's 510 atty performance!

Leaford @ V4L says that even more performance improvement is on the way. A "Ultra Premium" cartomizer is in the works.. and the standard cartomizers are going to be phased out. It's going to be very interesting to see where all of this goes.

Promising.... I'll wait a bit and see how it pans out. Those things get expensive to experiment on each new type. The main thing with the V4L line was (cons ;-) the inconsistency of length of time and vapor that varied so much that I wasted a lot of money finding which ones worked and which didn't. For the most part though, (pros) the flavors are much better and didn't have the underflavor others did.

 

[Scottbee]

I'm not necessarily in love with any of the V4L flavors.... but one of the things that I never liked about the KR8 cartomizers is that they are/were 3Ω devices. And that means.. even with my favorite e-liquid in them.... I'm not going to get 510 level vapor performance without going to higher voltage (as you know, a KR8 cartomizer @ 5V is kinda nice).

A cartomizer with a 2.3Ω base resistance is what I've been hoping for. Fill it with my favorite liquid... and I'm happy vaping it, even with a 510 class battery (standard, mega, TorneGo).

Kent: you'll be trying a few Premium cartos very soon...

 

[Heywould]

I have 3 flavors from V4L that ive tried. the atomic in `12 and 36mg and the bananas foster in 36 + they threw in a freebe of white chocolate strawberry in med. they all taste pretty good to me, i dont care for the flavors i got in the cartos so much though. BUT i was just wanting to try them, i got a sampler of the candy and a sampler of the holiday flavors. to me none of them have strong flavor BUT the juice i bought has super strong flavor. go figure.......

i have more than 20 bottles of flavor, i got them from cignot and another place i dont remember and by far the V4L juice has the most flavor.

I also refilled one of my cartos with the V4L juice i got and in the carto the juice isnt quite as strong or flavorful as it is in my 510. and i use the mod battery on both to remove as many variables as possible.


so i guess its just what you find most important. to me flavor and TH is top. vapor is at the bottom of the list. (although the 510 has more vapor in my setup.)

all this is ONLY to tell my experience. it has nothing at all to do with the cartomozers.

if i had spent as much time working out the cartos as i have the 510 i bet i would have the opposite opinion.

 

[Kent C]

I'm not necessarily in love with any of the V4L flavors.... but one of the things that I never liked about the KR8 cartomizers is that they are/were 3Ω devices. And that means.. even with my favorite e-liquid in them.... I'm not going to get 510 level vapor performance without going to higher voltage (as you know, a KR8 cartomizer @ 5V is kinda nice).

A cartomizer with a 2.3Ω base resistance is what I've been hoping for. Fill it with my favorite liquid... and I'm happy vaping it, even with a 510 class battery (standard, mega, TorneGo).

Kent: you'll be trying a few Premium cartos very soon...

Oh, ok. lol Good! Thanks. And you're right on - on the 'hoping for' - me too! If I could fill up a blank carto with Habana Reserve and go for 2.5 to 3 hours with the vapor and taste of a 510, I'd be good... lol. I have no 'dog in fight' other than my own enjoyment (and my wife's).

 

[DC2]

What's the latest scoop on the potential for melted/burnt cartomizer filler? Is it restricted to high voltage use? Any chance these premium cartomizers could bring the issue down to lower voltages more frequently? Or is nobody really doing any indepth work on that issue?

 

[Kent C]

What's the latest scoop on the potential for melted/burnt cartomizer filler? Is it restricted to high voltage use? Any chance these premium cartomizers could bring the issue down to lower voltages more frequently? Or is nobody really doing any indepth work on that issue?

I can answer a few - you can burn a cartomizer filler on any voltage if you go past the point to where you lose the flavor. You can also burn out a cartos' atomizer on 5v but it's not as easy as burning out a 510 atty ;-) Check out Scubabatdan's output figures and you'll see why. Don't have a link but he and nerf have posted them in the ATE forum. Scott could tell you as well. HV will be how I will finish off the rest of the standard cartos I have simply to get the better vapor and I've loaded up with the stronger coffee, cognac, cuban, french pipe, Ry4 and hilton flavors and they still do well at 5V.

 

[Scottbee]

What's the latest scoop on the potential for melted/burnt cartomizer filler? Is it restricted to high voltage use? Any chance these premium cartomizers could bring the issue down to lower voltages more frequently? Or is nobody really doing any indepth work on that issue?

I've been vaping with the premium cartos (both varieties... low and high resistance), but I haven't pulled one apart yet so I don't know if they have changed the coil wrap to a different material. As soon as I really "kill" one, I'll yank it apart.

If they haven't changed the materials, then yes.... I would think that the premium cartos are going to be more prone to material "burning/melting" than the older ones. It only makes sense.

 

[Tinkahbell]

Ive been reading more and more post regarding cartomizers and refilling etc. I use the joye510 with standard cart/atty. i use the polyfill but i made a slight mod to it, i fut id down and thinned it down so its about 1/4" long and fits simi loosly in the end of the cart. a full cart will last me all day on a work day- about 10 cigarettes worth i would guess. its almost all juice and my method allows me to vape till the polyfill is almost completely dry before i taste a slight burnt flavor. i just remove the fill and refill and off i go. it takes me 10 seconds at most.

i went in to all that to ask why or what is the advantage of the cartomizer? in your opinions?

FYI i have 10 cartomizers with the adaptor and i dont use them, i dont get nearly the vapor or TH out of them like i do the cart/atty.




this is really a question its not a slam on the device at all.

I use nothing but Cartomizers, and love them. But I also vape at 6volts. I tried the cart/atty combo and always had a burnt taste after two or three hits. But it was a pain on refilling till we found a faster and easier way to fill them by using the rubber ends that come on them. Cartomizers just hold more liquid and last longer. Vaping on 6volts you have to make sure you have plenty of liquid or you will burn up an atty. Thats why I use the cartomizers.

 

[oso]

Which mods use 6v? Just curious....